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Originally posted by esdad71
I am stating that we have nothing to do with the Sunni/#e infighting, and we have nothing to gain.
Neo-con conspiracy is fun to talk about, but how is destabilizing Iraq going to help with the Haliburton contracts and the oil contracts that most of you accuse the US of using Iraq for. Your logic sucks. What does the US have to gain? Give me a real example and not a half-baked conspiracy.
This was an attack on a Holy site, something that even in the unwirtten rules of modern warfare is not accepted. The US has been very careful to not destory mosques in Iraq, even if the insurgents use them as shields.
Iran is eating this up...
Shrine attack deals blow to anti-US unity
KARACHI - Spring is only a month away, and preparations for Nauroz (the Persian new year) are well under way. In Iran this year, however, Nauroz was due to come with a deadly dimension: the start of a new phase of a broad-based anti-US resistance movement stretching from Afghanistan to Jerusalem. .........
Wednesday's attack on a revered shrine in Iraq could change all this. ........
The potentially bloody polarization in the Shi'ite-Sunni world now threatens to unravel the links that have been established between Shi'ite-dominated Iran and radical Sunni groups from Afghanistan and elsewhere.........
The blast in Samarra
Nevertheless, the sanctity of the tombs is of equal importance to Sunnis. Like the tombs of the Prophet Mohammed, Imam Ali and Imam Hussain, no self-respecting Muslim, whether Shi'ite or Sunni, would ever think of attacking such a place.
Further, the custodians of the shrine in Samarra have for many centuries been the descendants of Imam Naqi, called Naqvis, and they believe in Sunni Islam, as does the vast majority of the population of Samarra.
Impact of the attack on the resistance
Read the rest at www.atimes.com...
Iran: U.S., Israel Destroyed Iraqi Shrine
TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad blamed the United States and Israel on Thursday for the destruction of a Shiite shrine's golden dome in Iraq, saying it was the work of "defeated Zionists and occupiers."
Gunmen shot dead 47 civilians and left their bodies in a ditch near Baghdad Thursday as militia battles and sectarian reprisals followed the bombing of a sacred Shiite shrine.
At least 111 people were believed killed in two days of rage unleashed by Wednesday's attack on the Askariya shrine in Samarra, a mostly Sunni Arab city 60 miles north of Baghdad.
The hardline Sunni Clerical Association of Muslim Scholars said 168 Sunni mosques had been attacked around the country, 10 imams killed and 15 abducted since the shrine attack. The Interior Ministry said it could only confirm figures for Baghdad, where it had reports of 19 mosques attacked, one cleric killed and one abducted.
Reuters - Iraq sectarian violence kills 130
Sectarian violence killed more than 130 people across Iraq and left dozens of mosques damaged or in ruins as the United States appealed on Thursday to Sunnis and Shi'ites to step back from the brink of civil war.
"The issue hangs on the next few days. Either the gates of hell open onto a civil war or the Shi'ites will take more power with the excuse that Sunni leaders are unable to rein in increasing terrorist activity," said Hazim al-Naimi, a political science professor at Baghdad's Mustansiriya University.
BBC - Scores die amid Iraqi shrine fury
Elsewhere, the bodies of a prominent al-Arabiya TV reporter and two of her crew, who had gone to cover the attack on the shrine, were discovered on Thursday morning.
Correspondent Atwar Bahjat's body was among the three found about 15km (10 miles) north of Samarra.
Originally posted by Souljah
Nobody wants an United Iraq, where Shiite, Sunnis and Kurds get to do things United, as One - because, what would happen, if that United Iraq then says to the Coalition Troops - Thank you, but you can go Home, we do not need you anymore.
Originally posted by esdad71
How would destroying a holy site make it easier for the US? That is the fault in your logic.
Ali is the central figure at the origin of the Shia / Sunni split which occurred in the decades immediately following the death of the Prophet in 632. Sunnis regard Ali as the fourth and last of the "rightly guided caliphs" (successors to Mohammed (pbuh) as leader of the Muslims) following on from Abu Bakr 632-634, Umar 634-644 and Uthman 644-656. Shias feel that Ali should have been the first caliph and that the caliphate should pass down only to direct descendants of Mohammed (pbuh) via Ali and Fatima, They often refer to themselves as ahl al bayt or "people of the house" [of the prophet].
When Uthman was murdered while at prayer, Ali finally succeeded to the caliphate. Ali was, however, opposed by Aisha, wife of the Prophet (pbuh) and daughter of Abu Bakr, who accused him of being lax in bringing Uthman's killers to justice. After Ali's army defeated Aisha's forces at the Battle of the Camel in 656, she apologized to Ali and was allowed to return to her home in Madinah where she withdrew from public life.
However, Ali was not able to overcome the forces of Mu'awiya Ummayad, Uthman's cousin and governor of Damascus, who also refused to recognize him until Uthman's killers had been apprehended. At the Battle of Suffin Mu'awiya's soldiers stuck verses of the Quran onto the ends of their spears with the result that Ali's pious supporters refused to fight them. Ali was forced to seek a compromise with Mu'awiya, but this so shocked some of his die-hard supporters who regarded it as a betrayal that he was struck down by one of his own men in 661.
Mu'awiya declared himself caliph. Ali's elder son Hassan accepted a pension in return for not pursuing his claim to the caliphate. He died within a year, allegedly poisoned. Ali's younger son Hussein agreed to put his claim to the caliphate on hold until Mu'awiya's death. However, when Mu'awiya finally died in 680, his son Yazid usurped the caliphate. Hussein led an army against Yazid but, hopelessly outnumbered, he and his men were slaughtered at the Battle of Karbala (in modern day Iraq). Hussein's infant son, Ali, survived so the line continued. Yazid formed the hereditary Ummayad dynasty. The division between the Shia and what came to be known as the Sunni was set.
An opportunity for Muslim unity arose in the 750's CE. In 750 except for a few who managed to flee to Spain, almost the entire Ummayad aristocracy was wiped out following the Battle of Zab in Egypt in a revolt led by Abu Al Abbass al-Saffah and aided by considerable Shia support. It was envisaged that the Shia spiritual leader Jafar As-Siddiq, great-grandson of Hussein be installed as Caliph. But when Abbass died in 754, this arrangement had not yet been finalised and Abbas' son Al Mansur murdered Jafar, seized the caliphate for himself and founded the Baghdad-based Abbassid dynasty which prevailed until the sack of Baghdad by the Mongols in 1258.
Originally posted by Souljah
Condoleezza Rice claims, that the only ones who WANT war in Iraq are Terrorists like Al-Mossad-Al-Zarqawi
Originally posted by Riwka
please avoid posting lies intentionaly
If YOU think Israel is behind that attack, this would be YOUR opinion and noticed at the boards as this..
But I highly doubt Condolenca Rice usesd the term "Mossad" when she refered to Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi.
1) Prove that a man named al-Zarqawi existed-----> Achieved.
2) Prove that a man named al-Zarqawi was an extremist/terrorist---- Achieved.
3) Prove that al-Zarqawi is still alive-----> Failed.
4) Prove that al-Zarqawi is masterminding global terror-----> Failed.
5) Prove that al-Zarqawi masterminded one, single recent terrorist attack----> Failed.
6) Show that evidence presented is not fabricated-----> Failed.
7) Show that evidence has even been presented for reasonable scrutiny-----> Failed.
Originally posted by Souljah
I am sorry Ms. Riwka, but I think that the Phantom and Elusive terrorist network, and the SUPER-Terrorists like Al-Zarqawi, are a product of Other foreign Intelligence Agencies, CIA-NSA-MI6-Mossad.
Originally posted by Regenmacher
O'Reilly: U.S. should leave Iraq "as fast as humanly possible" because "there are so many nuts in the country"
Originally posted by marg6043
I believe that US is the one that will lose from all this.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Yeah, good old 'Cut-N-Run O'Reilly' as I like to call him...
Israeli defense analysts have long tried to find out about the current capabilities of the Iranian Air Force and has therefore installed highly
sensitive radars in the Iraqi Kurdistan close to Iran in order to better study the Iranian radar grids after the failed US unmanned flights into Iran
which had the purpose to provoke the Iranians to turn on their radars in order for Americans to study the Iranian radar grids.
Once the presence of Israeli experts and equipments inside Iraqi Kurdistan was confirmed in September the Iranians continue to keep their ground radar systems off....
A news released by Mehr News Agency reported that according to an informed local source in northern Iraq, the ill-fated plane was a Falcon which had taken off from a base in Azerbaijan Republic.
It added that the plane, which was heading for an unknown destination, crashed on the Iran-Iraq border, while overflying Kurdestan province.
"No details on the crash, the plane's passengers and mission are available. Investigation into the incident indicated that 3-5 passengers on board were possibly of Israeli origin," added the report.
The local source did not disclose any further details, but told Mehr News Agency that US troops have restricted access of Iraqi Kurdish officials and the interim government to further information.