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Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) = Alien Abduction?

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posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:12 AM

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
'___', '___', Mushrooms, Marijuana, etc. etc.. etc..

These things will not bring you any closer to the truth.

I could easily myself write:

"The Hallucinator: There and Back again"

No one has found a way to talk to Aliens or defeat the Old Heirarchies through exploring their own mind - and way too many talented individuals have lost themselves along this path.

At best these things can sometimes help bring out the creativity you already have inside you - and at worst they can damage your mind and soul permanently.

Maybe when we have achieved a Second Renissance - and the standard of living is excellent throughout this planet - hallucigens will be an interesting/useful tool - right now they serve only as a destraction and posion that gives our common enemies the upper hand.

Lets work at fixing reality first, mmmkay?

That is your opinion - nothing else - and you have a right to one IMO,

Although, I consider you wrong.

I speak from the standpoint of experience, with other words I have ingested Ayahuasca many times, and also smoked '___'. This means I have a huge advantage over you; I actually know what I talk about because I've been there.

It is my personal choice - which I consider falls under the declaration of Human Rights, which gives me the liberty to do what I like with myself as long as it does not affect anyone else - and is in no way an appeal to others to do the same.

I could spend much time talking about my '___' experiences, but as has already been stated in this thread, it is not about the drug but about the possible connection to 'other worldy intelligences' that is the thread topic.

This is where it gets complicated, because every journey is unique, and the area is mainly unchartered by Western society.
Add to this that I am an academic, teaching at the University, I would surely get fired and perhaps even prosecuted if I tried to somehow apply what I've learned.

Nevertheless, there are common denominators in '___' trips. You encounter animals, often snakes, theriantropes, elves, dwarfs, children, or simply small beings ('little people'). You can communicate with them, and while they - to me - have a tendency to be evasive, I've heard of many, many similar experiences where they communicate, and even take on the subject as an apprentice.

This is the base for shamanism all over the world.

While I do not want to speculate on what these beings - that can take many shapes - are and on what plane they exist if they do exist, while you experience it it is as real as the perception of reality you experience in this instant (which quantum physics teaches us is not 'reality', but simply a perception of it). Add to this that some of these beings have personality and names, and that different '___' users have cross-referenced their experiences, and sometimes seem to come across the same beings (!)

That should set off alarm bells if you're of an inquisitive nature,

To round it up, I don't want to be tagged as an 'Alien Contactee', I do not know what happens and I do not know what I encounter, but it's just as with the Unidentified Flying Objects, it is a repetetive phenomenon of some sorts and we need to find out what it is.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:15 AM

This is where it gets complicated, because every journey is unique, and the area is mainly unchartered by Western society.

it all comes down to the certain settings..... time, location, mood, etc.... lots of other factors play a role here.... and it seems all are interconnected somehow.... just my 2 cents...

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:17 AM
but here are some serious infos concerning how your third eye is being blinded.....

Bioelectromagnetics 23:488495 (2002)

Calcite Microcrystals in the Pineal Gland of the Human Brain First Physical and Chemical Studies Baconnier, Lang et al.

It should be noted that these are initial findings of an ongoing study. Given the proper opportunity this study may yield results that are of great significance in the area of mobile phones and health. One thing that could adversely affect the impact of any such results would be the exaggeration or misrepresentation of the findings so far, or premature claims relating to studies still under way. This could discredit the research and make it difficult to have genuine findings taken seriously. . The researchers have isolated and studied calcite microcrystals which they have found in human pineal glands.

Quotes from the paper:

“The pineal gland … converts a neuronal signal into an endocrine output. … [It] is located close to the anatomical centre of the human brain.” “A total of 20 glands from [human] subjects ranging in age from 15 to 68 years were studied.” “Microcrystals were found in every gland in quantities ranging from 100 to 300 crystals per cubic millimetre of gland. No attempt was made to correlate the quantity of crystals with either the age of the subject or pathological details.” “Length dimensions of the crystals varied from 2-3 to about 20 micrometres.” “These results (referring to various forms of analysis described in detail) and the electron diffraction measurements definitely prove that the microcrystals are calcite.” “These calcite crystals bear a striking resemblance to the otoconia of the inner ear.” “The calcite in otoconia has been shown to exhibit piezoelectricity.” “If piezoelectricity were to exist [in the pineal calcite microcrystals], an electromechanical coupling mechanism to external electromagnetic fields may be possible.”

“The possibility of nonthermal coupling of electromagnetic radiation to biological systems has been considered recently [Kirschvink, 1992]. Reiter [1993] has reviewed the literature on the possible effects of static and low frequency electromagnetic fields on the production of melatonin by the pineal gland. A study by de Seze, [1998,1999] showed no influence of microwave frequency radiation on melatonin secretion. However, Kirschvink et al. [1992] and Kirschvink [1996] have shown the presence of minute crystals of magnetite in the human brain and have suggested a mechanism for coupling of microwave radiation to them. Additional research on the nonthermal effects of microwave radiation is definitely warranted.”

“In conclusion, we believe that even a very small risk of possible nonthermal coupling of radiation to microcrystals in the pineal gland merits further detailed study. Our future research will address these questions.”

To my mind, the significant features that can be used in the current debate are:

The human pineal gland, in the centre of the brain, has been found to contain large numbers of calcite micro-crystals that “bear a striking resemblance” to calcite crystals found in the inner ear. The ones found in the inner ear have been shown to exhibit the quality of piezoelectricity. If those found in the pineal gland also have this quality then this would provide a means whereby an external electromagnetic field might directly influence the brain.

Both the Stewart Report and the NRPB Report consider at some length how it might be possible for non-thermal levels of microwave radiation to affect a living organism.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:18 AM

In the Stewart Report, Section 5 paragraphs 12 through to 26 detail the sort of requirements that might have to apply in order for an electromagnetic field to directly affect biological tissue – living cells. Nowhere in these paragraphs is the possibility considered of any form of crystalline deposit which might provide the ‘missing link’ between electromagnetic radiation and biological effects. It’s interesting to note, though, that paragraph 18 does refer to a suggestion by Frohlich that a biological system might behave in some way like a radio receiver, amplifying a very small signal through a process of resonance; this idea is dismissed due to the unlikelihood of biological material resonating in this way – but of course one of the earliest types of radio was the ‘crystal set’, in which a mineral crystal was made to resonate (by tuning with a ‘cats whisker’) with an incoming radio wave, which is simply an electromagnetic wave of rather lower frequency than microwaves. The conclusion of this section was that “…there is little evidence to support resonant behaviour…”. The existence in the pineal gland of crystals which may prove to exhibit piezoelectric properties puts the whole issue in a totally different light – particularly in a scenario where the absolute requirement is to ‘play it safe’ (Stewart’s ‘Precautionary Principle’).
(It’s worth noting that paragraph 5.6 of this report considers the possibility of the magnetite crystals (see above) providing a causal link, and discounts this on scientific grounds. It goes on to say: “Indeed, it seems to be generally agreed that any biological effects from mobile phones are much more likely to result from electric rather than from magnetic fields.” Note that piezoelectric qualities do link electric fields to mechanical effects).

In the NRPB Report on TETRA, paragraphs 78 to 102 consider the effect of radiation, amplitude modulated (pulsed) at around 16Hz (cycles/second), on calcium efflux in the brain – the basis of the Stewart Report warning against using this pulsing frequency. Paragraphs 92-96, a substantial proportion of the latter half of this section, are devoted almost entirely to highlighting the fact that no clear mechanism has yet been identified to explain the effects observed by some researchers. The obvious inference that readers are expected to draw is that, because no clear explanation is apparent, these effects are highly questionable – indeed, one sentence in paragraph 95 almost says as much. Again, with the sort of causal link that may be provided by microcrystals interspersed among the organic matter of the brain, the perspective on this aspect of the issue is dramatically altered.

In brief, then ;

Two things can be definitively stated from this research so far:

1. Calcite microcrystals have been positively identified, in substantial quantities, in every one of 20 human pineal glands studied;

2. These crystals bear a striking resemblance to those found in the human inner ear, which have been shown to exhibit piezoelectric qualities.
These two facts alone are sufficient to call into question the basis of conclusions in both the Stewart Report and the NRPB Report on TETRA. Neither of these reports considered the possibility of the sort of coupling that might be provided through crystals of this type. The reassurances given in both of these reports are thus based on a false premise, that any coupling of microwave radiation to cellular activity in a living organism must be direct, acting through the medium of biological material. It is of course entirely possible that other similar phenomena exist elsewhere in the brain (and/or other parts of the body), as yet undiscovered.

Whilst the means by which microwaves might directly affect living cells are rather obscure, the interaction between electromagnetic radiation and certain types of crystal structures is well understood; the possibility of this then affecting living cells is very real.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:19 AM
DID YOU KNOW...........

“Melatonin (N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine), the chief secretory product of the pineal gland in the brain, is well known for its functional versatility. In hundreds of investigations, melatonin has been documented as a direct free radical scavenger and an indirect antioxidant, as well as an important immunomodulatory agent. The radical scavenging ability of melatonin is believed to work via electron donation to detoxify a variety of reactive oxygen and nitrogen species, including the highly toxic hydroxyl radical. It has long been recognized that the damaging effects of ionizing radiation are brought about by both direct and indirect mechanisms. The direct action produces disruption of sensitive molecules in the cells, whereas the indirect effects ( approximately 70%) result from its interaction with water molecules, which results in the production of highly reactive free radicals such as *OH, *H, and e(aq)- and their subsequent action on subcellular structures. The hydroxyl radical scavenging ability of melatonin was used as a rationale to determine its radioprotective efficiency. Indeed, the results from many in vitro and in vivo investigations have confirmed that melatonin protects mammalian cells from the toxic effects of ionizing radiation. Furthermore, several clinical reports indicate that melatonin administration, either alone or in combination with traditional radiotherapy, results in a favorable efficacy:toxicity ratio during the treatment of human cancers. This article reviews the literature from laboratory investigations that document the ability of melatonin to scavenge a variety of free radicals (including the hydroxyl radical induced by ionizing radiation) and summarizes the evidence that should be used to design larger translational research-based clinical trials using melatonin as a radioprotector and also in cancer radiotherapy. The potential use of melatonin for protecting individuals from radiation terrorism is also considered.”


posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:20 AM
Fluoride Accumulates in Pineal Gland

Fluoride, added to the water supply of many cities and counties and sold by WalMart in its nursery water, has a tendency to accumulate not only in developing teeth causing discoloration, and in bones making them brittle. The mineral is associated with cancer and it also accumulates in the pineal gland, an important hormone control center, where it wreaks considerable havoc. Paul Connett of Fluoride Action Network comments on Jennifer Luke's research which was part of her PhD thesis and had just been published in Caries Research under the title: Fluoride Deposition in the Aged Human Pineal Gland.

Fluoride is a poison, yet we add it to our water and toothpaste and even call it a supplement, although it has no nutritional value. Its medicinal value - the prevention of tooth decay - is the official explanation for adding the toxic mineral to the water supply. But that value is far outweighed by its toxic side effects - amply documented by Paul Connett in his Statement of Concern.

Recent European Union legislation on food supplements lists fluoride as an essential element to offer for supplementation. This is somewhat ironic when contrasted with the European legislators' feigned concern over the putative toxicity of vitamins and their efforts to limit dosages of these vital nutrients in order to "protect public health".

We also use fluoride in many household items, such as non-stick frying pans, high-tech water repellent fabrics and others. Recently, at least some timid attempts to start assessing the disease burden caused by fluoride are under way. The Journal of Water Health carries an article on this research. Meanwhile in the US, the FDA has decided that fluoride should be allowed in bottled water, perhaps in deference to WalMart's offerings.

The use of fluoride for "health" reasons is one of the great insanities of our times. Could it be just by chance that the Germans and Russians both used fluoride to make prisoners stupid and docile or that the US government faced legal action over the toxic effects in the environment of this nuclear waste by-product?

Perhaps the push for 'enriching' our water and our foods with fluoride has some ulterior motive that has little to do with health. Be that as it may, the campaign for fluoridation is stil in full swing and health authorities are pushing the poison as if their monthly paychecks depended on it.

Jennifer Luke's PhD thesis on fluoride and its accumulation in the pineal gland - Paul Connett says that research might just be the scientific straw that breaks the camel's back:

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:21 AM
Fluoride & the Pineal Gland: Study Published in Caries Research

International Fluoride Information Network March 27, 2001 IFIN Bulletin #269:

Fluoride and the pineal gland. Luke published.

Dear All,

The wheels of science grind very slowly. Finally, the first half of the work that was the subject of Jennifer Luke's Ph.D. thesis; presentation in Bellingham, Washington (ISFR conference) in 1998 and a videotaped interview I had with her (see, has been published in Caries Research (see abstract below).

In my view this work is of enormous importance and could be (or should be) the scientific straw that breaks the camel's back of fluoridation. Many of our subscribers are familiar with the details but let me repeat them here.

When Luke found out that the pineal gland - a little gland in the center of the brain, responsible for a very large range of regulating activities (it produces serotonin and melatonin) - was also a calcifying tissue, like the teeth and the bones, she hypothesized it would concentrate fluoride to very high levels. The gland is not protected by the blood brain rate of blood, second only to the Luke had 11 cadavers analyzed in the UK. As she predicted she found astronomically high levels of fluoride in the calcium hydroxy apatite crystals produced by the gland. The average was 9000 ppm and went as high as 21,000 in one case. These levels are at, or higher, than fluoride levels in the bones of people suffering from skeletal fluorosis. It is these findings which have just been published. It is the ramifications of these findings which have yet to be published. In the second half of her work she treated animals (Mongolian gerbils) with fluoride at a crack pineal gland research unit at the University of Surrey, UK (so there is no question about the quality of this work). She found that melatonin production (as measured by the concentration of a melatonin metabolite in the urine) was lower in the animals treated with high fluoride levels compared with those treated with low levels. Luke hypothesizes that one of the four enzymes needed to convert the amino acid tryptophan (from the diet) into melatonin is being inhibited by fluoride. It could be one of the two enzymes which convert tryptophan to serotonin or one of the two which convert serotonin to melatonin. Significance? Huge. Melatonin is responsible for regulating all kinds of activities and there is a vast amount of work investigating its possible roles in aging, cancer and many other life processes.

The one activity that Luke is particularly interested in is the onset of puberty. The highest levels of melatonin ( produced only at night) is generated in young children. It is thought that it is the fall of these melatonin levels which acts like a biological clock and triggers the onset of puberty. In her gerbil study she found that the high fluoride treated animals were reaching puberty earlier than the low fluoride ones. We know from recent studies - and considerable press coverage - that young girls are reaching puberty earlier and earlier in the U.S. Luke is not saying that fluoride (or fluoridation) is the cause but her work waves a very worrying red flag. Fluoride's role in earlier puberty needs more thorough investigation. Of an interesting historical note, in the Newburgh versus Kingston fluoridation trial (1945-1955), it was found that the girls in fluoridated Newburgh were reaching menstruation, on average, five months earlier than the girls in unfluoridated Kingston, but the result was not thought to be significant at the time (Schlessinger et al, 1956).

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:22 AM

When one considers the seriousness of a possible interference by fluoride on a growing child's pineal gland (and for that matter, elderly pineal glands) it underlines the recklessness of fluoridation. The precautionary principle would say, as would basic common sense, that you don't take these kind of risks with our children for a benefit which, at best, amounts to 0.6 tooth surfaces out of 128 tooth surfaces in a child's mouth (Brunelle and Carlos, 1990, Table 6).

I have a copy of Luke's Ph.D. thesis and would be willing to share it with those who have a serious scientific interest in this issue. The other references cited above can be found in my Statement of Concern which is published on the FAN webpage: www.fluoridea...e-statement.htm... Paul Connett Paper :

Original Paper
Citation : Caries Res 2001;35:125-128
Title : Fluoride Deposition in the Aged Human Pineal Gland Author(s): J. Luke
Info : Figures: 2; Tables: 0; References: 32 Keywords : Calcium; Distribution; Fluoride; Human pineal gland; Hydroxyapatite; Pineal concretions Abstract : The purpose was to discover whether fluoride (F) accumulates in the aged human pineal gland. The aims were to determine (a) F-concentrations of the pineal gland (wet), corresponding muscle (wet) and bone (ash); (cool.gif calcium-concentration of the pineal. Pineal, muscle and bone were dissected from 11 aged cadavers and assayed for F using the HMDS-facilitated diffusion, F-ion-specific electrode method. Pineal calcium was determined using atomic absorption spectroscopy. Pineal and muscle contained 297+/-257 and 0.5+/-0.4 mg F/kg wet weight, respectively; bone contained 2,037+/-1,095 mg F/kg ash weight. The pineal contained 16,000+/-11,070 mg Ca/kg wet weight. There was a positive correlation between pineal F and pineal Ca (r = 0.73, p

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:37 AM
reply to post by mcrom901

What a shame that I cannot read any of your contribution due to your very distracting psychodelic image. When this is changed, I look forward to seeing your information.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:42 AM
I think a lot of people who go for the quick trip to God, fail to understand the whole idea of vibrational frequencies and spiritual attainment. I would guess that most drug takers are not reaching any further than 4th dimension.

I feel any spiritual experience of worth will entirely depend on preparation of the soul as in meditation and spiritual laws. When this is attained then the taking of any drug is unnecessary, as one would be able to walk other worlds naturally.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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looool...... changed.... now i hope you can read it

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:54 AM

Originally posted by spacecowgirl
I feel any spiritual experience of worth will entirely depend on preparation of the soul as in meditation and spiritual laws. When this is attained then the taking of any drug is unnecessary, as one would be able to walk other worlds naturally.

have you heard anything about the flying yogis?....... check this interview with goa gil..... skip to 5:21.....

edited to add.....

biorhythms also play a major factor here...... also check these.....

Melatonin-Electromagnetic Secrets

Would you stick your head in a microwave oven? Well would you? Of course not!!!!

Man has come along and thrown off the clock mechanism

Electro Magnetic Fields and the Nature Rythms of the Earth

Journal of cellular biochemistry

[edit on 12-10-2009 by mcrom901]

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 08:03 AM
Interesting. I have heard of this before only because my ex was looking into '___' for a paper at school. From what I have read it seems '___' is also what is released when one dreams so it wouldnt be too far off IMO to say that it also makes one feel like they are having an abduction situation happening. I also think that maybe it might open up a different part of reality that one normally doesnt see but that is my own opinion....

I would link to some pages on '___' but I am not sure if they are allowed with the t&c but there is one site that has a lot of information on '___'. Its a good site for looking up things like this.

I do believe in alien abductions esp when there are people with physical evidence but I dont discount over production of '___' in the brain in one while sleeping and it causing a false abduction situation.


posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 08:47 AM
dont miss this documentary.... Entheogenic Shamanism Ancient Astronauts History

Google Video Link

[edit on 12-10-2009 by mcrom901]

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 09:00 AM

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 09:29 AM

Originally posted by lost_shaman

I've known about this for a while. I personally think its fascinating that so many people "see" the same things and that these are so similar to abduction stories.

Also the chemistry to it is also very interesting.

Edit: Here is a link I was going to start a thread about some time ago but never did. This thread is as good as any place so here it is.

Drugs, art and the aliens who lit our way to civilisation

Thanks for the link to an interesting article.

Terrence McKenna stated '___' and other hallucinogenic substances opens the consciousness to other dimensions. TM claimed his experiences with hyper-dimensional beings led him to Novelty Theory and developing the Timewave Zero program. Many people are taking his Theory and program seriously.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 10:35 AM
and here is something academic.....

full version.....

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 10:51 AM
reply to post by Gools

I would say no. How then do you account for stuff like implants, weird scars many report in relation to abductions? There is also the fact that many abductions are repressed deep into the subconscious, and only surface under hypnosys, in cases many years later. How would your theory explain that?

I do however believe that SOME abduction-experiences are hyperdimensional in nature, and maybe that is what your conscience is opened to when exposed to '___'? You would of course have to be opened to the fact that you can leave your body and go "someplace else".

There is definitely a link here somewhere, because the reports from abductions and '___' experiencing just share too much for there not be one.

posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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I don't know about that but '___' is a hell of a drug.

I just wonder, is it because you are a moderator that you can discuss this?

When I made a thread involving psilocybe cubensis, it was immediately deleted, I recieved a warning, and got 1000 ATS points taken away.

Now I see that you are making a thread about a drug/conspiracy combination as well, like my thread.

I have also gleaned from other threads that in RATS drugs and other taboo topics may be discussed.

So what's the score?

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