The Nazi's Link to the Zionists.

Some in the Jewish faith did indeed support national socialism in its early days, because they were also German. National socialism is, at its core, rabidly nationalistic and found a ready home in a country humiliated under the terms of the Versailles treaty. Some Jewish leaders, most of whom were not bankers, but who were good loyal Germans; supported it for that reason. Not for some get rich and take over the world scheme. Nope, for the simple reason that, at first, it looked like the Nazi's had some good ideas for the direction of Germany.

The lucky ones got out, and well, we know what happened to most of those who didn't.

The reason most of the Jewish groups in Palestine worked against England was because many of them felt jobbed by England after the first world war. They were, in the essence, promised a homeland; and as soon as the war ended the agreement was terminated by the british gov't. I believe it was called the Balfour agreement. So is it any wonder that Jewish groups in Palestine, and elsewhere, might have, for a short time anyway; gravitated towards a movement that may have promised a way to get back at the British? I think you'll find that most of that support dried up and blew away once the Nazi's true colors came to the surface.

If Hitler was given money by the jews then why did hid started and acted on towards the final solution. Hitler was against communism that is a no brainer since the hole reason for national socialist party was to combat roots of communism in Germany. I don't think the jews, if they gave money to hitler were so stupid not to have realized that he was a anti-semite especially knowing his early writing of Mein Kamp. It just doesn't hold water really. You don't give money to someone that wants you dead. It would make more sense to see a link between zionism and communism then national socialism. I still state it's the christian and protestant rich that really supplied the bulk of the nazi's money especially after Germany was pretty much bankrupt after the treaty of Versaille. The Jews had control of Germany and were is some sense pushing it more toward a communist government hence the creation of the national socialist in Germany and anti-semetism sentiments. The Jews knew that anti-semetism was flooding Europe, especially Germany since they were managing most of the financing of the country after the treaty of Versaille. In 1933 the German establishment was pretty much jewish run. Hence giving the rise to the national socialist anti-semetic rant. There is no way that the jews would have give money to german nationalist especially since they considered them enemies to the jews. In 1933 the Jews declared economic sactions against the new chanselor Hitler since he was removing all the jews out of there positions of power in the what became the end of the Weimar Republic. To cement the argument here is a quote.

Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of the Irgun Zvai Leumi terrorist organisation, wrote in the January 1934 issue of Mascha Rjetach:

'For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community at each conference in all our syndicates and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will start a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand Germany's total destruction, collectively and individually. The German nation is a threat to us Jews.'

Irgun is a Zionist organisation.

What do you mean "the jews" gave money to Hitler, do you think every single jew worldwide consults every other jew before doing something!!!!!!! Some jewish banksters gave money to Hitler, $34million, Warburg met Hitler. Not every jew gave money to Hitler. And one thing is for absolutely certain, the jewish banskters that did fund Hitler did NOT suffer under him and they did NOT care about the suffering of the other unfortunate jews.
Whether it makes any sense to you or not isn't important in the slightest. It is a FACT that Hitler met Warburg. Warburg gave a false name and Hitler didn't know he was jewish. It is a FACT that jewish banskters funded Hitlers rise. Your post is all guess work about what you think makes sense, it is NOT based on facts.
You say yourself you don't "think"jews gave money to Hitler, but it is clear you don't know. And yes they did know he was anti-semite. Those jewsih banksters were living safely far away from nazi germany so they weren't bothered. And it is very significant that the same banksters who did fund the rise of Hitler were also those leading the call for a jewish state in Israel many years before Hitlers rise. Hitlers holocaust gave them the international support to achieve their jewish state of Israel.

And another point you made, yes it is for certain that there is very strong links between zionism and communism, almost everyone who benefited from the russian revolution was jewish. Trostsky was supposed to lead russia, however when he became ill Stalin was able to take power. Hitler was funded partly to remove Stalin from power. Stalin steered russia away from NWO control. If you do some deeper research you will be able to find evidence of who funded Hitler's rise, and Trotsky before him.

I love the fact that anything pertaining to Jews or Judaisim or Jewish history is such a touchy subject. If you're a non-Jew, and bring up anything related to Jews that happens to be counter to the "accepted" version of things, you're labeled an anti-semite.

Especially when the posters criticizing the OP have no evidence to back up their claims.

Answer me this question:

Do you really believe the Jews are the only people in the history of mankind that are not being lied to by their leaders or those that write the history books???

The claim is that zionist funded Hitler. That is the claim. Now to give substance to that claim you would have to have a large jewish following especially in the zionist ranqs towards Hitler. Stating this does not mean that no jews gave money but to claim a large group like the zionist you gotta have facts to back it up. Unfortunately I got facts that goes against it. You don't expect to have a zionist group calling war with Hittler then giving him money at the same time. It's not impossible but sure as hell not very likely. So say that zionism back hitler is probably unlikely but to say that no jews gave money to hitler is probably unlikely as well since the jewish establishment did have much financial and economic control.

Originally posted by golddragnet
The Nazi's were most certainly funded by jewish bankers (proof of this exists and is easy for you to find), even after it was known his persecuion of the jews. Warburg met Hitler, he changed is name and Hitler didn't know he was jewish, no doubt to Warburgs amusement. If you do research you will find quotes from some of the first in power of the new Israel, basically saying it wasn't worth helping any of the jews in europe being persecuted unless they were guaranteed the state of israel first.

Highly unlikely or maybe put out of context because the jewish leadership pretty much declared war against Hitler when he took control as chancelor and destroyed the Weimar republic.

Originally posted by golddragnet The zionists in power didn't care for the other jews suffering.
It is also very significant that the Bolshevik russian revolution 1917 was also funded by jewsish bankers and almost every single person who benifited and gained positions of power were jewish.

Yes this is true. The boshevik revolution was to liberate the jewish people from the pogroms perpetrated by the zsar of russia against the jews. Yes the jews did gain much power not only in Russia but also in Germany at that time in the Weimar republic.

PS. Keep track of you time lines just because the jews were giving money during the time of the Weimar republic does not mean that money was being given during the rise of the national socialism movement.

Originally posted by golddragnet It was in effect a jewish revolution. Of course the people of russia were actually worse off aftre the revolution, its real purpose being the centralisation of power to a small few, and these few were funded by the NWO. Trosky was intended to lead communist russia, but he got ill at the wrong time and when he was at the Black Sea being treated Stalin was able to take power.

True but happenned way before Hitler became chancelor.

The jewish NWO bankers not only funded Nazi Germany,

They funded Germany during the Weimar republic when Germany was under more Jewish control but I doubt they would have continued unless force by international agreement to deal with Germany. Don't forget even if Germany became national socialist they still had to have dealing with the international banking community because the treaty of Versaille sure as hell did not disappear even when hitler became chancelor.

Originally posted by golddragnet they also funded the Russian revolution before it. What is more, Stalin wasn't intended to lead Russia, he wasn't part of the NWO plan, there were efforts made on Staln's life, partly why Stalin became totally paranoid. Stalin was threatened by the NWO that they would remove him from power in Russia by an invading army.

Your using NWO like you know what your talking about. NWO is just a concept at this time.

Originally posted by golddragnet This being Hitler, Hitler was being funded by the NWO bankers (mostly jewish) to invade Russia.

I seriously doubt this.

Originally posted by golddragnet However Hitler was too much his own man and even started printing his own money. Of course the bankers had to kill Hitler in this case, because if it caught on and every other country started to take control of their own currency then the bankers would lose most of their power.

PS. A country cannot stand alone unless it has all the resource in country. So far I don't see any big oil companies coming out of Germany. You cannot buy oil for your war machine if you kill the international value of your dollar by isolating it. This is when you have some friendly agreements with the muslim nations.

Originally posted by golddragnet Hitler and anyone other country could do their own funding and control their own destiny.

You might be interested in reading about Rakovsky, or Rothschilds Red Symphony.

There is certainly A LOT of hypocrisy from those Zionists who took control of Israel.

Like there is LOT of hypocrisy from those islamist clerics declaring war on Israel so they can take over the territory when if the job gets done. Ask yourself why Syria is interested in Lebanon.




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Originally posted by shojingod
unlikely


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you are totally ignorant of the truth. It is very clear that you are only taking guesses and have done no research of any substance. It was proven that Hitler was funded by jewish bankers, it is easily verifiable, you are far too lazy to bother to verify it, so you post meaningless guesses that display your lack of knowledge of the facts.
PS, I have no wish to discuss Syria or ask myself or you anything about it for now. And it doesn't change anyhtiong about the hypocrisy of the zionists.

Why are you telling me the russian revolution was before Hitlers rise of power, do you think I don't know??? I studied and researched AND lectured history for many years at university, I lived in Russia, I know when the russian revolution happened and i know when hitler rose to power. Your post was pointless. Why not do some proper research instead of just taking guesses (incorrect guesses)

Wow! I thought The Zionist/Nazi connection was a well known fact, I never knew it was even up for debate.

Hitler met with Zionist leaders multiple times and as said previously, accepted money from them.

The propaganda lies within the AMERICAN people being told differently. Anyone with German grandparents/great grandparents can tell you this.

I am a greater man to state that I was wrong with certain information regarding the link between zionism and the Nazi's. I look into to it when time was permitting and you are correct there are connections. I found out that Hitler was actually quite supportive of the zionist concept and did have discussion with some zionist leaders when he just became chancelor. Stating this I still cannot vilifie zionism to the same degree as Nazism since even Chamberlin had dealings with Hitler to sign a peace agreement does not make Chamberlin a Nazi. Zionist may have early dealing with the Nazi's it is also been quoted that later on they slowly put a jewish declaration of war against Germany. I believe even the zionist like the Russian's where being mislead when the jews where getting details of Hitlers dealings with Mufti of Jerusalem.

Hitler and many anti-semetic works had for basis the researchs of the pseudo science of eugenitics and what I read also zionist concepts in order to justifie the lost of citizenship to the jews of Europe. Who is a true German in the eyes of Hitler? Hence the future call towards white purity and jewish expulsion at first but Al Husseini was a advent anti-semetic and for sure would not have accepted the european jews. He made agreements with Hitler and Adolf Eichmann hence pushing the european jews toward the final solution as well as being implicated in the Nuremburg trials.

Stating that zionist are like nazi's is like stating that the scientist that came up with eugenics are Nazi's. Ideology is not limited to one framework anybody can manipulate it to serve ones agenda if one can spin it right. I am sure the scientist that conceived eugenics did not have as a goal the creation of death camps and aryan purity. The same way white supremacist in the US utilize biblical scripture to justifie their actions does not make bible racist.

There is a greater connection between radical islam and Nazism then any link between some zionist ideologies and Nazism by far.

This is not a chicken and egg argument. Just because zionist ideology was a influence in nazism does not make a link between nazi ideology influencing zionism.

This is where we must distinguish between link and influence. Nazi's has links to zionism but I don't see nazi's influence on zionism.

golddragnet . Just two questions.

From the demeanor of your writings I have then sense you vilifie the zionist and zionism. During the time of the Hitler regime give me a verifiable quote that the zionist where supporting national socialism and more give me a reference if possible that they adopted concepts of racial purity?(PS not eugenics since at the time eugenics was considered as scientific fact and was used by the north american, jewish, european doctor as a tool for sterilisation of the mentally or physically ill)

I don't know if you are stating that you have a PHD in this subject but I would greatly be interested in your academic publications that cover the subject matter. I am not a perfect individual, I do make mistakes. I do not have a PHD in the subject matter but I do have some University background in the study of Europe history. I am remembering as much as possible and I am trying my best to assimilate as much as possible but you are pushing judgement a little too fast. Even PHD historians can't agree on everything. Don't forget most great discoveries were not made by the PHD's but openness and imagenation of the regular individual which should make the pompous of acadamia reflect and be more humble.

Zionism is a touchy subject and is one that is still in the news to this very day because of the Israeli and Palestinian conflict as well as the demonisation of the Jewish people by the fundamentalist islamic clerics. Are we manipulating history for the purpose of anti-semetism or are we being non judgemental and actually quoting true historic fact and not supposition.


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The reason I read this forum and take part in many of the discussions is to filter out the truth. Just because I state something does not mean that it is all true or even all correct. I state what I want you to read to receive a reply that move the subject matter in a way that I can assimilate as much factual information as possible. We have reach a cross-road on this subject where you have stated or hinted at your acadamia in the subject matter. Now the ball is in your court to show me references.

In one of my post I gave a reference to the Irgun( a zionist organization) public statement giving a war declaration to Nazi germany.

If this is your field of study then I would appreciate some quotes, if you have the time of course. That way if I am wrong I can state why I am wrong.

Now if the subject would have been that this organisation is part of the NWO and for some reason the conversation interested me then I would post many points. Many would go against it and I would find as much info I can about it so that I am forcing the readers to bring the goods to the table as you would say. When the good are there I would look them over then cross reference them to see if it is only supposition or they some major data that can prove it.

Now if the subject would have been back engineered UFO technology and it link to new discoveries in anti-graviational technologies then I would pool that forum until if by chance a individual like yourself is a proven researcher of this technology and I would leave it up to him since it's his education background to quote and prove what he state is true since we would have hit the cross-road between supposition and proof.

I do not take anything on this site as factual unless I can verify it as much as possible and you know what; "I believe in UFO's, I believe in governement cover-ups and to a certain extent the possibility of the Illuminaty" but you find out more about a subject by the people that try to prove you wrong then by the people that agree with you. The funny nature of human kind.

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Originally posted by shojingod
I believe even the zionist like the Russian's where being mislead.

Ideology is not limited to one framework anybody can manipulate it to serve ones agenda if one can spin it right.


Zionism is a touchy subject.
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I am sure you are correct that zionists are being mislead by their leaders, as is the case with so many organisations, they are hijacked by those in power who use the cause to satisfy their own agenda, and use propaganda. I am not so sure how much the jewish banksters actually believe in any sort of zionism or zionist agenda, I am sure they are being used as pawns by the banskters also. 1 thing is for certain, the jewish banksters (who control much of the worlds finances) didn't care at all about the persecution of the jews in europe under Hitler. In fact I suspect that these jewish banksters don't see themselves as zionists at all. They have refered to themselves as "internationalists", their agenda being a one-world government and with Jerusalem being a powerful city in that government.

If you want evidence of some of the hypocrisy of Zionism and racism within Israel you can study the case of the 50,000 sephardi jewish children that were radiated (and tortured) by the state of Israel in an experiment. The sephardi jews are discriminated against by other jews.
There is a huge amount of information about the hypocrisy of zionists available on the internet, and much of this is written by jews. You can google search the letter Albert Einstein (a world famous jew) wrote to the New York Times in 1948 warning of the evils of zionism and the evil of Israel. There are websites such as www.jewsagainstzionism.com... and many more of similar content.
I can accept that you ask me to verify some of the info, but that really isn't so very possible on the internet, I can't conduct a lecture over a forum, and find the time to add links etc, etc, far too time consuming and not very practical to do. Like all the other posters on this site I can only attach some links that point you in a direction that if you want to research it further you know where to start, if you find the subject interesting.
The internet is a great invention and there is alot of information there that is available worldwide, I am sure you will be able to use your good judgement to know which of it is genuine and which is propaganda. I am sure you already know the setting of the state of Israel was discussed after WW1, Hitlers persecution of the jews in europe paved the way for Israel. This thread was discussing their links, and of course it is hugely significant that jewish banksters who were already calling for the jewish state of Israel knew Hitler was antisemetic and they funded his rise to power.
If you want interesting quotes showing how some of the zionists didn't care for the suffering of jews under hitler you can research quotes from Menachem Began. sorry i don't have time for more detailed reply

Thank you for the information I will look into it.

One thing that I don't get is why did the zionist fund the national socialist when they could have funded the communist parti of Germany the same way the funded the Bolshevik revolution. It just seems to contradict everything.

Originally posted by shojingod
One thing that I don't get is why did the zionist fund the national socialist when they could have funded the communist parti of Germany the same way the funded the Bolshevik revolution. It just seems to contradict everything.

A communist party in Germany would never have invaded Russia. Hitler's rise to power was being funded in an effort to remove Stalin from power and it was a counterweight, supposedly an opposite. Funding these parties isn't exactly the same as controlling them like in a chess game. There were political movements at the time run by various head-strong individuals with their own ideas. Not everyone can be manipulated so easily and nothing will ever run 100% smooth, such as in russia. They manipulated everything and the plan almost worked, except Stalin was able to take power and steer the country away from NWO control. Hitler being anti-semetic was also very useful to those banksters who do manipulate so many events.
But not everyting will run totally smoothly. But in effect there wasn't such difference between communism or facism, both were about the centralisation of power to the small few in control. In communist russia and nazi germany the governments had enormous control over the people, the citizens were badly enslaved under both regimes.
The russian revolution was in effect a jewish revolution, mostly jews benefited, except until Stalin got a grip of power. If a smilar jewish-friendly government had been set-up in germany then the Holocaust would never have happened, and they would never have got their state of israel, the international community would never have supported it, but after the holocaust they were granted their wish, at the expense of the natives.

Israelis seek asylum in Canada
Refugees claim they're persecuted; Israeli authorities scoff at accusations

another recent story which displays the hypocrisy of the system in Israel


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Check out this book about Hitler being funded by Wall Street, International Bankers, and U.S. corporations.

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler--By Antony C. Sutton

Especially Chapter 10 is an interesting read


And an excerpt of the website it's hosted on:

Makes Every Previous Book on World War II Obsolete.
Finally, a distinguished scholar has penetrated the cloak of falsehood, deception, and duplicity that for more than thirty years has protected one of the most incredible secrets of World War II: the support from key Wall Street financiers and other international bankers in subsidizing Hitler's rise to power.

Professor Antony C. Sutton proves that World War II was not only well planned, it was also extremely profitable—for a select group of financial insiders. Carefully tracing this closely guarded secret through original documents and eyewitness accounts, Sutton documents the roles played by J.P. Morgan, T. W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, and scores of other business elitists.

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler shows how the bloodiest, most destructive war in history was financed and promoted. It is sure to spark angry denials and heated debate.

And related to the subject, as mentioned before. The reason why Hitler was funded by the International bankers is because of Stalin and that Trotsky wasn't in power as he was supposed to be.

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution



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No offense but there is two much info that contradicts. I was nice before but now I really gotta to demand Golddragnet that you point me towards some of your academic writings on the subject. If you do hold academic PHD in the subject it should be easy to quote me a source where they are published.(Or any of your academic publications) Your papers gotta be published somewhere and you sure as hell know were. Just give me a quote. If not then I would have to assume that what you are telling is only based on conspiracy publications or webpages but nothing that is hard proof at the academic level.

There is lot of crap on the internet about the zionist this and the zionist is the NWO and so forth. Makes me wonder is not all piss and vinegar. What is the true academic debate on the subject with real academic papers on it. There are lots of 15 minute historians online.

The more I thought about it. The more I said to myself. If this guy is a PHD on the subject and is telling me to look it up online(weaks sites) it does not tell me much about his academic credentials does it. Hell you should be able to quote me historical documents that are published.

No offence but if I where a PHD on the subject I should be able to quote this info in this nature.

Go see the publication from DR. (so and so) under subject.
then go see the papers of DR. (so and so) under subject.
then go see the papers of DR. (so and so) under the research and so forth

Not well go check online.

The moment you said you had academics in the subject. I want a little more proof.

Also that territory was already given to the Jews by the british even before the push for the national socialist movement in Germany and you are also saying in your statement that the zionist wanted the final solution as a excuse for the state of Israel. They didn't need a excuse.

This is a known fact. Hitler was funded by the industrialist(does not matter what religion they were) of that time because they sure in hell did not want to be part of a communist country where their money would be captured by the state. It does not make sense to say that if the industrialist, which based on many on your concepts where NWO zionist, when the hole concept of a industrialist is pushed with much vigor toward the capitalist ideals. Don't you see the contradiction.

You say that the zionist jews created the communist Russia. Then you say that the zionist jew industrialist supported national socialist because they wanted to stay in a capitalist system the complet opposite of what they promoted in Russia. Are the zionist capitalist or communist?

Originally posted by shojingod
Are the zionist capitalist or communist?

*lifts hand*... Can I answer? Allthough I don't call them zionists, but international bankers. IMHO they're either of the two when it suits them.

Check out this cartoon

Originally posted by shojingod
They didn't need a excuse.

did not want to be part of a communist country where their money would be captured by the state.

Firtsly I don't agree that the info really contradicts at all if you think about it clearly. If you are saying it is a contradiction that Jews gave support to Hitler and then Hitler murdered jews it may seem a contradiction, but it really is a VERY black and white way of looking at something without any clear thought. There were jewish banksters who financed Hitler, ok, but they were not and are not jewish at all in any true meaning religously, they are just greedy megalomaniacs who happen to be jewish themselves. They don't care at all for other people, jewish or otherwise. To say it is a contradiction is to assume that all jewish people are close to others and they would care for each others welfare etc, etc. The jewish banksters in Britain and USA did not care at all about jews living in europe, so how is it in any way a contradiction. You could just as easy say that Stalin never really sent any russians to Siberia because it was a contradiction, he would never have hurt other fellow russians, of course that would be a very wrong way to look at it. Today GW Bush is sending US troops to Iraq to be slaughtered.
The Zionists who control Israel don't really care about the Jewish people either, what they do care about is the power they hold over their country, they will use the old nationalistic fervour and token flag-waving to their advantage just as Dubya did after 9/11.
You will find some nonsense on the internet about zionism, just as you will find nonsense on the internet written about almost any subject you care to discuss. You will also find alot of valid writings about zionism that you may dismiss simply because it contrdicts what you have been told by the mostly zionist controlled media. As another poster here has already stated there is too a big difference between Zionists and the International Banksters whom I prefer to refer to as NWO. What do you really know about Zionism, what do you really know about Israel, what do you really know about what is going on in the world today??? Where do you get all this information from??? Ok, today maybe you are learning some truth from the independant media on the internet, but most of the entire mainstream newsmedia in USA is controlled by zionists and NWO. They tell all sorts of lies. There are many americans who still believe war is justified in Iraq, they only reason they hold that opinion is because it is the opinion the MSM have given them, propaganda and lies and WMD etc etc.
On the subject of the setting of Israel there was some support for it, but there was a lot of opposition to it also just in Britain alone. To setup the jewish state of Israel AND to arm it to the teeth to fight off already established neighbours did need ALOT of international support, it wasn't so simple or Black and White as you suggest. If at the time they simply agreed it and declared it the jewish state and stole the lands from the natives there would have been wars, there was wars which Israel won, but they wouldn't have gotten the support or the arms for it if the holocaust hadn't happened. It was a much more difficult prospect that perhaps you realise, and yes they did need an excuse, you can't just steal land from a whole nation without expecting to be involved in a war and you have to justify that war not just to their own people & troops (already war weary) but to the neighbouring countries also.

You are looking for PROOF of certain facts. I think you are approaching it in an incorrect way. What you need to look for is evidence. This isn't a court. What you need to learn is the evidence and make your own judgements. To actually prove something over the internet is very difficult and even unnecessary.

You want to study the subjects more, well what subject exactly? What exactly are you asking me?

I never said Zionist Jews created Communism and then Nazism. I said the NWO banksters (some of which are jewish) funded them, which isn't exactly the same thing as creating them. the zionists are mostly their puppets.

To answer that the NWO banksters (you refer to them as industrialists or are you confusing the 2?) didn't want their assets to be controlled by the communist state, if they own that state (such as they projected in Russia and would have done if Trotsky took power) then they wouldn't have lost their assets to the state, rather they would have gained the entire state???

The NWO (again they are not the same as zionists, some of the NWO pushed the Zionist agenda but they aren't exactly the same) are for a 1 world government with themselves in control of that government. It is wrong to attempt to look at the as "communist" or "capitilists", they are neither, these are all "propaganda labels" fed to us mostly by the media. Communism was really about the centralisation of power, and those who ruled to country had ENORMOUS power over the country, just look at what Stalins regime got away with, how many murders, people in poverty while they lived in luxury, same in China. OK, not USA is "supposed" to be the opposite, a true democracy for the people, fair trade etc. However anyone with their eyes open can see that is NOT the case at all. The NWO own the Federal Reserve, they own the US government, it is so easy for them to manipulate who will be president, yet the average person is so dumb to imagine it is a fair vote, all they need to do is put forward 2 of their own candidates, call 1 of the republican and the other a democrat and you think you chose the president, what rubbish! They own the media, they own the pharma and arms industries, they also control the drugs trade.
I must go for now, will try to reply to you over next few days

Originally posted by shojingod
They didn't need a excuse.

did not want to be part of a communist country where their money would be captured by the state.

Firtsly I don't agree that the info really contradicts at all if you think about it clearly. If you are saying it is a contradiction that Jews gave support to Hitler and then Hitler murdered jews it may seem a contradiction, but it really is a VERY black and white way of looking at something without any clear thought. There were jewish banksters who financed Hitler, ok, but they were not and are not jewish at all in any true meaning religously, they are just greedy megalomaniacs who happen to be jewish themselves. They don't care at all for other people, jewish or otherwise. To say it is a contradiction is to assume that all jewish people are close to others and they would care for each others welfare etc, etc. The jewish banksters in Britain and USA did not care at all about jews living in europe, so how is it in any way a contradiction. You could just as easy say that Stalin never really sent any russians to Siberia because it was a contradiction, he would never have hurt other fellow russians, of course that would be a very wrong way to look at it. Today GW Bush is sending US troops to Iraq to be slaughtered.
The Zionists who control Israel don't really care about the Jewish people either, what they do care about is the power they hold over their country, they will use the old nationalistic fervour and token flag-waving to their advantage just as Dubya did after 9/11.
You will find some nonsense on the internet about zionism, just as you will find nonsense on the internet written about almost any subject you care to discuss. You will also find alot of valid writings about zionism that you may dismiss simply because it contrdicts what you have been told by the mostly zionist controlled media. As another poster here has already stated there is too a big difference between Zionists and the International Banksters whom I prefer to refer to as NWO. What do you really know about Zionism, what do you really know about Israel, what do you really know about what is going on in the world today??? Where do you get all this information from??? Ok, today maybe you are learning some truth from the independant media on the internet, but most of the entire mainstream newsmedia in USA is controlled by zionists and NWO. They tell all sorts of lies. There are many americans who still believe war is justified in Iraq, they only reason they hold that opinion is because it is the opinion the MSM have given them, propaganda and lies and WMD etc etc.
On the subject of the setting of Israel there was some support for it, but there was a lot of opposition to it also just in Britain alone. To setup the jewish state of Israel AND to arm it to the teeth to fight off already established neighbours did need ALOT of international support, it wasn't so simple or Black and White as you suggest. If at the time they simply agreed it and declared it the jewish state and stole the lands from the natives there would have been wars, there was wars which Israel won, but they wouldn't have gotten the support or the arms for it if the holocaust hadn't happened. It was a much more difficult prospect that perhaps you realise, and yes they did need an excuse, you can't just steal land from a whole nation without expecting to be involved in a war and you have to justify that war not just to their own people & troops (already war weary) but to the neighbouring countries also.

You are looking for PROOF of certain facts. I think you are approaching it in an incorrect way. What you need to look for is evidence. This isn't a court. What you need to learn is the evidence and make your own judgements. To actually prove something over the internet is very difficult and even unnecessary.

You want to study the subjects more, well what subject exactly? What exactly are you asking me?

I never said Zionist Jews created Communism and then Nazism. I said the NWO banksters (some of which are jewish) funded them, which isn't exactly the same thing as creating them. the zionists are mostly their puppets.

To answer that the NWO banksters (you refer to them as industrialists or are you confusing the 2?) didn't want their assets to be controlled by the communist state, if they own that state (such as they projected in Russia and would have done if Trotsky took power) then they wouldn't have lost their assets to the state, rather they would have gained the entire state???

The NWO (again they are not the same as zionists, some of the NWO pushed the Zionist agenda but they aren't exactly the same) are for a 1 world government with themselves in control of that government. It is wrong to attempt to look at the as "communist" or "capitilists", they are neither, these are all "propaganda labels" fed to us mostly by the media. Communism was really about the centralisation of power, and those who ruled to country had ENORMOUS power over the country, just look at what Stalins regime got away with, how many murders, people in poverty while they lived in luxury, same in China. OK, not USA is "supposed" to be the opposite, a true democracy for the people, fair trade etc. However anyone with their eyes open can see that is NOT the case at all. The NWO own the Federal Reserve, they own the US government, it is so easy for them to manipulate who will be president, yet the average person is so dumb to imagine it is a fair vote, all they need to do is put forward 2 of their own candidates, call 1 of the republican and the other a democrat and you think you chose the president, what rubbish! They own the media, they own the pharma and arms industries, they also control the drugs trade.
I must go for now, will try to reply to you over next few days