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Israel needs the Unites States support in starving people ?

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posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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We are going to burn for supporting this.

IS THIS TERRORISM ?

The next time you speak as an American, or say you represent the 'flag', don't you dare forget that the White House is flying the flag of ISRAEL right next to ours !

I can't believe ya'll don't see what is happening !




posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Congratulations. You have found a propaganda site, which includes stills which are misleading.
You find another place, a "news" outlet, that says Israel is "starving" the Palestinians because they see no reason to fund a terrorist organization that wants to drive the Jews into the sea.
All this time, you denounce Israel and America, yet you do not denounce the surrounding nations that use the "Palestinians" as political pawns, you say nothing about Syria and Jordan who refused refuge for the people and you say nothing in regard to nations like Syria and Iran who have for years supported the detonation of children in order to kill innocent Israelis and very little in the way of helping the Palestinians' lives.
The Israelis have done much more to help the "Palestinians" than anyone else, and you throw rocks at them (pardon the pun) because they would rather not financially fund those who deny their right to exist and still call for their destruction?

Cute little propaganda piece, but I dare say that only the dumbest or the most brainwashed will fall for it. Oh, and maybe those who have little to no knowledge of the situation.

Personally, I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. May have been the day or two before, but not yesterday.



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:17 PM
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is this money that is Isreal's, that they agreed to give the palestians (aid)??? of so, well, I kind of remember Hamas, recently saying that they weren't persuing the peace process....

danged if I'd buy the bombs for another country to drop on me either....

then, where does the US fit into this. I think they have decided that they weren't gonna give any aid either??

aid money's that we don't have to begin with....we are borrowing out the gazoo!!! and this borrowing, in itself it upsetting the world economy, with if it tips, will effect every nation on this planet!! and not in a good way. heck, I wish the US would just stop giving aid period!! quite rebuilding countries, quite meddling in other countries affairs, if they are a threat, well, fine, let Europe take care of them, or China, whatever! let them waste their resources for awhile!

but, ya know, I am sorry, aid money freely given to another country, preferable with little or no strings attached. right now this country don't even have that part straight. there's so many strings attached, you might as well substitute the word bribe in exchange for aid!!

we have no obligation to send funds we have to borrow to other countries, to feed their people, and take care of their sick. and we certainly have no place bribing these countries into submission to our will for their daily bread.

under the present circumstances, I say, sorry palestine, but well, find for yourselves for awhile....you say you can get your arab brothers to help you?? why you believe that one, not really sure, they've really done a great deal helping you till now, haven't they?? but well, find someone else to help ya, that goes for everyone else too....

we are broke!!!



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:18 PM
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most reason the US supports israel so much is the amount of control the israeli's have on the US goverment.
even being a minority in the US israel's have a large lobby which is very powerfull in its self.

on hamas being elected what did israel expect the palistinains to elect when the moderates they elected before did jack all.
they starve and jam people into a small amount of land like animals and expect them elect abbas again


edit:
my views arent fom his sites but from news stories and documentories

[edit on 20-2-2006 by bodrul]



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:24 PM
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No, I don't denounce America, I denounce the fact that the Fright-House if flying the Star of David next to the American flag.

I've asked you questions several times in other post that pertained to the topic, and you chose to ignore me... so shut up and mind your own business unless you can prove the information and the images in my post are 'faux'.
I could have sworn you were still on the turnip truck.

How are those photos misleading?



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:28 PM
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Oh, and I'm sorry..
how many suicide bombings is Hamas responsible for ? 60 SIXTY ?

.....ooooooo.... they are some MONSTERS eh !



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Submersible
The next time you speak as an American, or say you represent the 'flag', don't you dare forget that the White House is flying the flag of ISRAEL right next to ours !

I can't believe ya'll don't see what is happening !


The US should also cut off aid to the Palestinians, not just aid to the Palestinian authourity but all aid going to the Palestinians.

They currently get over a billion per year in aid from around the world and they still hate the people who are giving them the aid.



State.gov

Although media reports vary widely on the exact nature of Palestinian finances, PA expenditures in 2005 were approximately $1.8 billion, and revenue, including direct external budget support, was estimated at only $1.1 billion. The PA generates its revenues from modest amounts of collected taxes ($400 million), customs duties collected by Israel ($400 million), and foreign aid ($320 million in direct aid). Currently, the PA is running a significant monthly deficit and has been forced to borrow from commercial lenders in order to pay salaries for its 174,000 employees, of whom approximately 58,000 are in the security services. On February 1, 2006, Israel announced that it was freezing the transfer of customs revenues to the PA. Israeli officials noted that future transfers will be put on hold while the issue is being
reviewed.
[...]

Indirect Assistance. The international community also provides a large amount
of indirect assistance for the Palestinian people through donations to specific development projects. The European Union and the United States are major providers of indirect aid ($300 million and $345 million respectively in calendar year 2005). Assistance from Arab countries has averaged about $200 million annually, though there may be significant other unreported donations, particularly from Persian Gulf governments.



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:43 PM
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Can't say as I blame Israel for not wanting to send money to the Palestinian Authority. Most would be spent building more bombs to send to Israeli targets, you know the militarily important ones like discos and pizza parlors.

Until HAMAS renounces terrorism, Israel should think twice about sending money, as should the US. It's unfortunate, and very painful, but HAMAS won't understand anything else.



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:48 PM
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How DARE the Isrealis!!!!!!!!!!!


where is Hamas going to get the funds to payoff the sucide bombers families now? How are they going to be able to fund there war againsst Isreal now?

Isreal should be ashamed of themselves for not paying for the bombs used to blow up there own people



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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The US does have a very strange & flexible attitude to terrorism:

It supports Israel when Hamas are concerned but refused to close down NORAID when American money was paying for 10 YO English kids to be blown up & squaddies shot by snipers.

It's a bit late for principles!



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
is this money that is Isreal's, that they agreed to give the palestians (aid)???


No, its the Palestinians money.

Israel collects taxes, and trade tarriffs.

They are supposed to give it to the Palestinian authority, but now they are witholding it, and its not the first time they have done this, and it would not be the first time Israel robbed the Palestinain people if they kept it.

Taxation without representation?

Israel halts tax payments to Palestinians



Whoever fought a war over that?



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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They are supposed to give it to the Palestinian authority, but now they are witholding it, and its not the first time they have done this, and it would not be the first time Israel robbed the Palestinain people if they kept it.


Why not tell the whole story?

Israel had an agreement under the 1994 Paris Economic Accord with the Palestinian authority before Hamas that in return for Israel giving them this tariff money the Palestinians would denounce terror and work with Israel to stop terrorist and violence. Now, not only has Hamas not denounced terror but they even refused to recognize the treaty along with Israel! So Israel is supposed to adhere to the treaty while Hamas violates it? I don't think so!

Also, you're blaming the US for demanding money that it never had to give the Palestinian government? We are under no obligation to give the Palestinian government that money. If we disagree with their policies or actions we can recall it any time we want. And Hamas being elected to government justifies our decision.

[edit on 20-2-2006 by WestPoint23]



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23

Why not tell the whole story?

Israel had an agreement under the 1994 Paris Economic Accord with the Palestinian authority before Hamas that in return for Israel giving them this tariff money the Palestinians would denounce terror and work with Israel to stop terrorist and violence. Now, not only has Hamas not denounced terror but they even refused to recognize the treaty along with Israel! So Israel is supposed to adhere to the treaty while Hamas violates it? I don't think so!


Why don't you show us where that part is in Paris94?

I read it long ago.

I searched for all the words you used, and it says nothing like you imply.

Protocol on Economic Relations between the Government of Israel and the PLO - Paris - 29 April 1994

Where does it say anything about denouncing terror, and stopping violence?

Maybe you were thinking of another agreement.....



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:21 PM
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Yes, I had parts of the Paris Accord mixed up with another Israeli-PLO agreement, nevertheless does Hamas recognize Israel?



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Submersible
No, I don't denounce America, I denounce the fact that the Fright-House if flying the Star of David next to the American flag.

I've asked you questions several times in other post that pertained to the topic, and you chose to ignore me... so shut up and mind your own business unless you can prove the information and the images in my post are 'faux'.
I could have sworn you were still on the turnip truck.

How are those photos misleading?


You have no business here that I do not have, pal. Or, anyone else, for that matter. Got it? Be careful, I'll tolerate stupidity directed at me much longer than I will when it is directed at others, but there are limits, so I'd suggest not telling me to shut up again.

It might surprise the crap outta you, but I actually have other things to do around here besides keep track of where I post and where you ask questions; I don't simply come here to pop off at the mouth. You feel I am ignoring yor questions, you have an u2u button as I do. Use it if you want to draw my attention.

Now, ignoring the rhetoric and getting to your question, I'll tell you how the pics are misleading. They are stills. When dirtbags start a firefight among children, and the children get hit, it creates beautiful propaganda pics. They do this, and you know it. When they then show these pics, and then they write horrible little stories of how the mean ol' IDF monsters attacked the children and gobbled up the babies as if they were grapes, that is misleading and BS propaganda.

The crocodile tears from people who will send there children and mentally ill to blow themselves up so that they may kill innocent civilians and their innocent childrendo not effect me.
Groups who have training camps posing as summer camps, in order to indoctrinate children in the ways of hate do not confuse me with such propaganda.

A nation who has done more for these people than their "brothers" have, who decide to NOT financially support those who demand that they all die does not hurt my feelings.

As I said, why don't you blast the "brothers" of these poor, downtrodden people a while, and then maybe I'll have time for such web sites.

On second thought, no I will not. I'd prefer an objective investigator, rather than obvious propaganda.

Be moved by this all you wish; I don't buy into that stuff any more than I fall prey to early morning infomercials.

Let me know when you find your way to the truck.



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:40 PM
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How interesting.

Last I checked, Hamas doesn't recognize that Israel exists.

So logically speaking if Israel doesn't exist, I fail to see how 50 million materializes itself monthly. Good thing that it's stopping now otherwise I'd have to question the sanity of people who claim that millions of dollars can appear in checks coming from non existent countries.

Oh by the way, thanks submersible for pasting a link to one of the most horrendously written and researched propoganda sites I have ever seen.

Looney Toons history 101?



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
The next time you speak as an American, or say you represent the 'flag', don't you dare forget that the White House is flying the flag of ISRAEL right next to ours !

I can't believe ya'll don't see what is happening !


Yeah, well maybe they don't want the kind of AID that you are getting.
You've got a 50/50 chance of getting CANCER from THIS Governments actions.

Have you given any thought to the kind of AIDS this government is administering?

mod edit: fixing quote

[edit on 20-2-2006 by parrhesia]



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Why not tell the whole story?

Israel had an agreement under the 1994 Paris Economic Accord with the Palestinian authority before Hamas that in return for Israel giving them this tariff money the Palestinians would denounce terror and work with Israel to stop terrorist and violence. Now, not only has Hamas not denounced terror but they even refused to recognize the treaty along with Israel! So Israel is supposed to adhere to the treaty while Hamas violates it? I don't think so!

[edit on 20-2-2006 by WestPoint23]


Let's all work with Israel.

Lay down and take it like a man?

[edit on 20-2-2006 by Submersible]



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 09:19 PM
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I know I am going to regret asking this, submersible, but what 50-50 chance of cancer are you on about? Please feel free to attempt to enlighten me. Notice I did say attempt, chances are you will fail. Look at it as a challenge to your powers of persuasion.



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 09:37 PM
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Better idea.
Why not ask him to start a thread and reveal this to us. This would be better than derailing his own thread!



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