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posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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nsawantsmedead:

I do not worship man. I do however, believe that Christ is his one and only begotten Son and also God in the flesh. Jesus was the light in the darkness to show us the way to His heavenly Father.

Peace,
Grandma




posted on Nov, 29 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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It is true that *Our Father* has only one Son. And this is to say that he has one Creation. The world of man is *another son*...another creation. But there is no other Creation but the One Son. I have explained that the world is a re-creation of the Son after the image of "the beast". I have explained that this re-creation is a self-concept inside the mind of the Son. It is another son...a "prodigal" son. The beast is the concept of guilt inside the mind of the Son. The beast arises upon the concept of separation. The prodigal son feels guilty for "leaving" the "kingdom" of his Father, for leaving "home". Leaving, with his "inheritance", he virtually destroys the "Kingdom of God". For this, he feels "stolen", and "guilty".

Separation is idolized, valued, cherished and protected as "the truth". Guilt is idolized. Guilt is valued, cherished, and protected as "the truth". The world is a manifestation of the idolization of guilt. Man is a manifestation of the idolization of guilt. Each man is an idol. The world is an idol. Every part of the world is an idol. The idol is indeed "worshipped". The idol is desired, and invested with faith. The idol is valued, and called "gOd". The idol sells guilt. Its worshippers "buy" guilt. The idol is cherished and protected as "the truth". The idol "gives" "truth" to "man", making man "real", instead of Reality. The idol "blinds" minds to the truth. Otherwise, the truth could be seen. If your eyes see only man, the belief in separation and guilt are still embedded as concepts in your mind. These concepts blind your minds eye to the vision of Christ. When the "idol" is "seen" for what it is, and you no longer "worship" it, then it will disappear, and your eyes will be opened.

The manifestation of guilt is the manifestation of many, symbolized by "man". Any who see themselves as any kind of man, has indeed worshipped the idol that separates the Son of God into individuated bodies. As such, every body is a mask over the face of Christ. Jesus was a mask over the face of Christ, until he "died" to the concept of personhood, separatehood, and "identified" with Christ as his "truth". This is "the way". Each individual must follow this way if he would "live".

When Jesus is made the only begotten Son of God, to the exclusion of every other "man", then his gospel is lost. His was a gospel of equality. As Christ, he considered himself equal to GoD. And he encouraged others to see themselves as himself: Christ. Therefore, it is the true oneness of the Son of God upon which a community "in Christ" is founded. The "many" symbolize the "gates of hell". It is the One which eventually "prevails" against the many gates. When "man" opens his mouth, out comes the voice of confusion. In this way, hell is gated, and barred shut against the truth. In this way hell continues. Guilt is hell. The world is built on guilt, so the world is hell. Jesus "preached to those in hell". Hell continues as his words are confused, that the *many* may be *saved* from Oneness.

Christ is Reality. Christ is not any one man. Christ is the totality of everything. Man symbolizes the totality of nothing. So man masks the truth Christ. And what one does to any man, one does to Christ.

Christ!

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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by BadMojo
I have studied many biblical subjects from creation to the end times, but this is one article could cause many things I've considered truths to be turned on its ear...more specifically the "mark of the beast". If you can bear with the article, there is startling evidence that 666=Jesus Christ. If you study the Bible, then you will understand the need to use the original manuscripts. In this case, the New Testament was written in Greek and Aramaic.
"...the number of his name is six hundred three score and six..."


Oops...here's the link
www.revelations.org.za...&A5.htm#666

[edit on 20-2-2006 by BadMojo]


No. The image of Christ you see in Churches is not actually Christ. Its the pagan Saturnus. The Bible forbids any graven images.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:12 AM
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666 and the book of Revelations, Julius Caesars plan for war.

666, The Holy Roman Empire.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:45 AM
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If you stand on your head and look at 666 it mysteriously becomes 999 which in the UK is the phone number for the Police.....think I could be on to something?

I've not actually tested this theory yet as I cant seem to stay on my head long enough to focus on the 666 but I'll post my results if I dont break my neck.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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"six hundred three score and six"
666

Its just a number that describes many manifestations.
"Man" is one of many manifestations.
But many manifestations is well symbolized by "man".
Many manfestations arise from a fractured mind.
The mind is split between reality and illusion.
666 speaks of 2/3 fraction.
2/3 of 100% is 66.66666666666...% ad infinitum
So the many manifestations are nearly endless.
The manifestations will never add up to 100% reality, or 100% knowledge.
So, for a split mind to be whole, it must let go of the manifestation.
To let go of the manifestation is to let the desire for the manifestation "die".


The mind that manifests man has only a fraction of knowledge.
So its knowledge is not knowledge at all.
It is perception.
Its realm is perception.
Perception is the domain of symbols.
It sees what it wants to see.
It wants to see guilt.
It wants to see fear.
It wants to see bodies.
Bodies are symbols of fear and guilt.
Bodies make fear and guilt "real".

Partial knowedge is kind of ignorance.
And what is more dangerous than ignorance?
A fractured mind is a mind "stolen".
A "stolen" mind is a guilty mind.
Guilt is "the beast".
The beast sees what it wants to see.
The beast sees nothing.
The beast sees guilt.
The beast sees "evil".
As the beast sees, man experiences.
Flesh is the "mark" of the beast.
Flesh is like a "tattoo".
It is the sign that there is guilt in mind.
A guilty mind is the beast.
The beast hides...in the open...right in front of your eyes.
Eyes are of the beast.
Eyes see only what is best for the beast.
Eye candy is best for the beast...a feast for four eyes.
Four eyes, two for you, two for the beast, who sees through you.

You see through a mind filter.
The filter filters out truth and reality.
Brains are like microchips.
Brains process symbols.
Symbols are the domain of the beast.
Correct interpretation of symbols is the domain of Christ.
Correct interpretation of symbols leads the interpreter to think correctly.
Thinking correctly is to think independant from the beast.
Thinking correctly leads away from the beast's domain.
Thinking correctly awakens a fractured mind to reality.
Thinking correctly leads to the sight of Christ.
To "see" Christ is to percieve the symbols of reality.
The symbols of Christ lead back home, to reality...to the Domain of GoD.
This is not the same domain as gOd...the beast.

Jesus is the name of a man.
Man is a symbol.
Symbols are the domain of gOd...the beast.

Christ is the name of the Son of God.
The Son of God is not a symbol.
The Son of God is therefore reality.
The Kingdom of God is another name for Reality.

gOd...the beast...mixes the two together.
Mixing true and false, good and evil together, accomplishes confusion.
The beast thrives on confusion.
Confusion is darkness.
The beast thrives on darkness.

There is no man-GoD.
There is a man-gOd.
Man-gOd is a mask over GoD.
In reality, there is no mask over GoD.
The mask is a manifestation of a will opposed to GoD's.
But can there be a will opposed to GoD's?

What seems to be, then, must be an illusion.
An illusion is a self deception.
An illusion is a magic trick...a hallucination.
A magic tricks seems real relative to misdirection.
Misdirection is accomplished by mixing a semblance of "good" with a semblance of not-good [evil, opposite].
In this way, the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

Jesus is one man-gOd who took off his mask.
Revealed was the Son of God.
The Son of God cannot be seen by the eyes of men-gOds.
So the unmasked Jesus cannot be seen with human eyes.
Human eyes cannot see.

Christ!



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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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Is to not see what the other hand is doing the same as not knowing the real difference between good and evil? A hypocrisy and illusion of sorts? Is this what you mean? Going back to genesis where Adam is to know both good and evil, to be as god?

I say hypocrisy because this is exactly what we see in the pharisees, and in many Christians today. They only have a strict and literal understanding of the words, and because of that they do not see their own hypocrisy in breaking the commandments themselves while accusing others of breaking them.

I noticed this when looking at how some Christians and Muslims fight each other. Each side only sees the sin/wrongs of the other side, and not their own wrong doing. The Christians view it as the Muslims attacked us, and they view it as the Christians attacked them. So each side feels it is justified in it's actions not because their actions are good, but based only on the actions of the other side, which is to see only 1 hand.

We are stuck in the realms of perception, there is no doubt at that. How I learned to get past that is to put myself in the other perspective. I learned and seen the previous paragraph because I looked at things from the perspective of the other side(other hand). Once I did that, then I could see the real truth of the situation - both sides are equally wrong, and they are basically exactly alike. Simply because they refused to look at things from both perspectives.

This is the same view that caused the pharisees to do what they did. They thought they were justified because the person they were persecuting was sinning. And as a result, they failed to look at their own actions in response, which was to break the commandments by killing them. Thus why Jesus called them hypocrites and showed a life that was not based on hypocrisy.

To only see 1 side of it, is to only see partial truth. And we can see that not only in history, but also today in our lives. And we can see how this logic based only on 1 side of things is failing. We only focus on what is being done to us, not what we are doing to others.

Am I understanding you correctly?



posted on Dec, 3 2008 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
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Is to not see what the other hand is doing the same as not knowing the real difference between good and evil? A hypocrisy and illusion of sorts? Is this what you mean? Going back to genesis where Adam is to know both good and evil, to be as god?



Yes, I am interpreting the genesis story...which comes out of man's subconscious. The subconscious mind is unknown...secret. Why? In the realms of knowledge, there are no levels of mind...no dark places...nothing unknown. The subconscious has partial knowledge...so it has none at all. So the genesis story is mixed up and misleading. The parable of the prodigal son is a better genesis story. It is the idea that there is more than knowledge, more than GoD to be known that drives the prodigal son from "home". More than GoD is nOt gOd. GoD is "good". What is nOt gOd must be opposite, because the good is complete and perfect. It cannot be added to without detracting from it...diluting it...adulterating it.

GoD does not "know" evil because evil is not knowable. It is not knowable because it is not real. To "know" evil is to attempt to make evil "real", as if both GoD and nOt gOd can be real. This is impossible, and can result only in an imagined experience within one's mind. The experience can not be more than hypothetical. Such is the world.

The Son of God has everything...IS everything. The world is the Son's attempt to have both everything [good] and more than everything [???]. In this attempt, none of the good is real, and none of the evil is real. In this way, the good is diluted and adulterated...again, hypothetically.

Adam is a symbol of the mind which chooses to "eat" [digest] the idea that what is more than "good" [GoD] can be knowable. It is not necessarily an attempt to leave the good entirely. It is an attempt to have both together. But this is like trying to combine opposites. It is confusing. Man expresses this confusion. The biblical Adam did not eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil. Adam IS the fruit of the eating of the "tree" of good and evil. Adam is the fruit of a mind [the prodigal son's mind] which digests the idea that good and its opposite can be combined and "known" as "real". For this reason, the world seems "real" to those who believe in it.

All in the world are aspects of the mind that is digesting the ramifications of such a combination. They are "in" on the "conspiracy" so-to-speak. All participants in the world can trace a decision tree back to the "genesis" of this world. Before this world, there was no such thing as decision. And deciding that opposites can be combined, the mind has been deciding ever since, fragmenting along the way, until it manifests in so many ways, one of which is "man".

"Man" is the effect of a decision tree which deems to "know" both good and its opposite together. The effect is a thing which seems to both live and die. Man "lives". Or, does he? He "dies". Or, does he? He seems to live, and he seems to die. Relative to death, man lives. And he dies relative to what seems to live. But what can die was never alive. Life is "good", you see. But when Life is mixed with death, there appears a strange anomaly. The "life" of man, therefore, is not Life at all. This is just one example of how mixing good and its opposite adulterates the good, and makes it confusing and meaningless. This is one example. Just about everything in the world is some kind of combination like this. And in this way, the mind is thoroughly confused.

Consider "man" to be the right hand, and his subconscious mind to be the left hand. The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. And yet it is the same mind! This is opposite knowledge, in which there are no levels of mind.
Christ!



posted on Dec, 3 2008 @ 03:30 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
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I say hypocrisy because this is exactly what we see in the pharisees, and in many Christians today. They only have a strict and literal understanding of the words, and because of that they do not see their own hypocrisy in breaking the commandments themselves while accusing others of breaking them.

I noticed this when looking at how some Christians and Muslims fight each other. Each side only sees the sin/wrongs of the other side, and not their own wrong doing. The Christians view it as the Muslims attacked us, and they view it as the Christians attacked them. So each side feels it is justified in it's actions not because their actions are good, but based only on the actions of the other side, which is to see only 1 hand.

We are stuck in the realms of perception, there is no doubt at that. How I learned to get past that is to put myself in the other perspective. I learned and seen the previous paragraph because I looked at things from the perspective of the other side(other hand). Once I did that, then I could see the real truth of the situation - both sides are equally wrong, and they are basically exactly alike. Simply because they refused to look at things from both perspectives.

This is the same view that caused the pharisees to do what they did. They thought they were justified because the person they were persecuting was sinning. And as a result, they failed to look at their own actions in response, which was to break the commandments by killing them. Thus why Jesus called them hypocrites and showed a life that was not based on hypocrisy.

To only see 1 side of it, is to only see partial truth. And we can see that not only in history, but also today in our lives. And we can see how this logic based only on 1 side of things is failing. We only focus on what is being done to us, not what we are doing to others.

Am I understanding you correctly?



You are catching on. As a rule of thumb, if one sees someone doing something "wrong", it is almost certain that this one is doing the same thing. By the time a mind manifests as "man", it is so far into denial that it does not know that it thinks and does what it thinks other men are doing that make them "guilty". You can see that the "blame game" is ubiquitous...and this game is just about all that is going on. And that is why forgiveness is the only function in the world that makes any sense.

Forgiveness is a thought process that looks at how things appear to be, only to realize that things are appearances, and nothing is as it appears. In this process, it is not enough to realize that one is thinking [subconsciously] or doing [overtly, hypocritically] what one accuses other's of doing. It is not enough to realize that both are "wrong". Forgiveness simply understands that neither know what they are doing [the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing]. One who forgives does not attempt to know good vs evil, or judge between them. The one who forgives does not attempt to judge between the unreal manifestations of an attempt to combine good and its opposite.

The reason I take your focus back to the genesis of the world is so that you can forgive correctly, efficiently. The entire combination of good and its opposite is entirely false. It is not "bad", "wrong", or "evil". It is simply not true! This is how Jesus' thought. Where the world begins, it also ends.

The world is crucified because it attempts to judge between good and its opposite, shifting guilt [blame game] around one mind. Whether you shift guilt to someone else or shift it back upon yourself, or upon both you and your neighbor...you are attempting to make what is unreal real. This is the basic function of judgement.

Christ!

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posted on Dec, 3 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
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Am I understanding you correctly?



When you see only the good/evil axis, you see only one side of it. The other axis is the true/false axis. These axis are opposite and cross. Think of the good/evil axis as horizontal, and the true/false axis as vertical. The world is built and maintained by focusing your attention on a false premise, and then judging between two falsehoods. This "realizes" them...making them real. The other axis sees such a false dichotomy for what it is...false. This is the axis that Jesus operated on. And this is why he ascended...overcoming the world. In his view, the body is entirely false. It does not live, and it does not die. To claim either is to make a judgment that would "realize" them as "real". To Jesus, the mind is asleep or awake. A sleeping mind is symbolized by "death". To Jesus, death included man's so-called "life" as well as his percieved "death". This was interpreted as sleeping because it was interpreted to be a "dream". A "dream" is something that can be "judged" as "false". This is the only judgement that Jesus made...through the Holy Spirit. A true/false judgment is only interested in discerning between what is true [parable: sheep] and what is masquerading as true [parable: goats]. These interpretations are judgements, but they are the judgments of Christ, who judges from a perspective of knowledge [total comprehension]. From the perspective of knowledge, nothing about the world is true. So, man is not true. What is not true must be a dream. The solution then, is to awaken. The symbol of awakening is the resurrection. To awaken is to LIve truly. What LIves truly can never die.

Christ!

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posted on Dec, 3 2008 @ 03:49 AM
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The world is one mind shifting guilt around. These are judgements made on false premises. This makes the world "real". But the world has no true premise. It is built on the "sand" of a split mind ["house divided against itself]. So it cannot be judged in terms of guilt vs not guilty. The truth "takes away the sins of the world" because it sees that guilt is not a valid concept, and so the world is not a valid concept. As such, there is no such thing as sin. At best, there is insanity in a mind that walks away from reality in order to combine the real and unreal together. This is a learned process, because it is truly in the realms of the unknown. Yet, it is an impossible learning task, and so it is depressing. Unlearning it is joyful because it leads back to what is real: joy. Unlearning is the closes thing to a "life" that is possible in this world. It is the unlearning of everything that the world has taught as "true".

Christ!

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posted on Dec, 3 2008 @ 05:16 AM
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Interesting, but I'm not sure I follow on the part about people trying to distinguish between good and evil.

I rather see it as a matter of knowledge vs ignorance. Where evil is evil because it is ignorant. That the pharisees did what they did because they did not understand, thus the words - forgive them father for they know not what they do.

But I don't seeing it so much as knowing both good and evil, but that by knowing both good and evil you can understand the true or false. If you can not determine between what is good and what is evil, then how could you understand between true and false.

I get the true and false level, as both sides can be "wrong", but each side thinks it is "good" and the other side is "evil". Each side plays the evil for each other. This is also IMO done with symbolism and idols. Where the people feel as long as they do things in the idols name, they are doing the idols will. Failing to realize their own hypocrisy as a result of not understanding.

But I see good as respecting anothers free will, and evil as not respecting another persons free will. Which is a result of not understanding the truth. At the base, I find 1 universal law, and that is to not impose on another persons free will. And I see that as being the same as when Jesus says love is the universal law, because if you love someone then you respect their free will. My basic laws, including the commandments can come from these few laws. Theft, murder, rape and so on are all infringes on another persons will.

I then look at the actions taken, and in that I look at if they are breaking this law. If they are, then I feel they are doing evil.

So while I can see how good vs evil is not really real between 2 groups both committing evil, I don't see how neither exists. I can only see a deeper level which is the root cause of either, and that being understanding/knowledge vs ignorance.

Interesting thoughts, I do enjoy this. Please expand on your meaning if you could.



posted on Dec, 3 2008 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by BadMojo
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Yeshua is YHWH "in the flesh". Jesus Christ is a transliteration the Greek used when translating. His Hebrew name is Yeshua (Joshua). It does not alter the fact of who He is, or what He has done. But, we are not to pray to ANY OTHER GOD...Jesus Christ. I'm not saying this information is correct and true, but based up on the Greek manuscripts it is startling to say the least.


It is not his Name. Names mark mankind. It is what his name means as is the same with every name in the bible. Substitute the meaning in place of the John Smith and the word will become alive to you.

YHWH/Jehova/Yahweh means "Self existent". I ask a question. Do you remember not being alive? Do you remember being dead? Ponder that while we move forward.

Yahushua/Yehoshua/ means "Self existent salvation" The beginning and the end. Do you remember being not alive? "Let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing"....."the one who puts his hand in for bread with me is the one...." He only lost one, out of all his father gave him.....he lost one, himself in all of us, so that grace for grace (life to life) life would go forward.

You truly see salvation when you see a new Generation, but the love of many grows cold. God never changes, who's salvation is generation to generation. The living God, the same one that puffed up Adam and said "Ye are Gods". The living story.

Peace

Peace

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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
So while I can see how good vs evil is not really real between 2 groups both committing evil, I don't see how neither exists. I can only see a deeper level which is the root cause of either, and that being understanding/knowledge vs ignorance.

Interesting thoughts, I do enjoy this. Please expand on your meaning if you could.


Ok, let's look at this paragraph for a minute. Before ignorance, there was [and still is] total comprehension [knowledge, "tree of Life"]. One who is eating from the tree of knowledge begins to comprehend that the entire world of "good and evil" is a product of ignorance. Since knowledge is all there is, the ignorance must be self-imposed. Ignorance is self-imposed for an effect...for experience. So, the entire history of the world of form, distance, time...is an experience begotten of ignorance. The one experiencing ignorance is also the One who knows all. Through ignorance, this One experiences every feeling that is not natural to total comprehension. Total comprehension knows only bliss and love and life...because that is all that is true...that is all there really is. Through ignorance, the One may feel guilt, fear, pain, loss, sadness, suffering. None of these feelings are true or justified. The world of form arises to justify these feelings. In this way, "all the world is a stage", and what appears as form is but a prop. Persons are "players". But the players are also props. All props are fake...not real...illusion. The props are for feelings...for justifying feelings. Without the props, the feelings would still be there. Without bombs, there would still be horrible feelings...feelings the One has asked to feel by imposing ignorance on itself. But bombs seem to justify horrible feelings. And this makes the feelings seem real and true. Without the props, the feelings don't have a leg to stand on. They are groundless. Groundless, they are more easily seen for what they are, and let go as nothing. But when the props seem to justify the feelings, the feelings are maintained as real and true. This is an experience. It is the experience of the false as real and true. So the props are for this experience. But...the props also obscure the experience of feeling the feelings. The human mind is a prop that obscures the origin of the feelings, as well as the feeling of the feelings. So, the feelings are not fully appreciated for what they are: an illusiory experience of what is unknown to the One who knows all. The blame game is one way the feelings of guilt are obscured, and temporarily shifted away from the feeler. Shifting them away, the feelings are judged to be justified, true, or real...and therefore worth the effort it takes to shift them to some other "person" or thing or event or circumstance. And in this way, the persons, things, events and circumstances keep repeating. They keep repeating because the One has asked to feel feelings, and is being denied its request. Rather, the wise one will feel the feelings for what they are, and let them go. In this way, the feeler - the curiosity seeker - can be satisfied. Satisfied, the feeler need no longer be interested in the feelings, and can now let them go as undesired. This is why desire for the world [props] is a desire for suffering. And, there is a direct correlation between how real you think the world is, and the feeling of guilt. The more you reduce people, places, events and circumstances to the realm of the unreal, the more you will uncover the raw feeling of guilt...and the more easily you can let an invalid feeling go as unreal as well.

Christ!



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
But I see good as respecting anothers free will, and evil as not respecting another persons free will. Which is a result of not understanding the truth. At the base, I find 1 universal law, and that is to not impose on another persons free will. And I see that as being the same as when Jesus says love is the universal law, because if you love someone then you respect their free will. My basic laws, including the commandments can come from these few laws. Theft, murder, rape and so on are all infringes on another persons will.

I then look at the actions taken, and in that I look at if they are breaking this law. If they are, then I feel they are doing evil.


Here is a example of how things get mixed up. Personhood is not real. When you try to apply a universal law to what is not real, it get's really confusing. Freedom is a fact, regardless of appearances. Freedom is the truth. Players on a stage are free to act like they are imposed upon by another actors actions. Likewise, you are 'free' to impose your individual will on another. Otherwise, you would not be free. Another is free to have you impose your will on him against his will. Otherwise he would not be free. Only, on the stage that is called "the world", the agreement to play roles is not so easily seen. But just because the agreement between players is well-secreted, doesn't mean that the play is any more real than watching a Shakespearean drama. In this way, there is nothing you can do to anyone that can make you guilty. In this way, there is nothing anyone can do to you that can make them guilty.

The agreement to play roles that include victim/victimizer is part of the self-imposed ignorance that the One imposes upon itself for feelings. I will call that agreement, the "old testament". It is an agreement to give what is asked...covertly. In this way, one can ask for the realization of invalid feelings [ie. guilt]...and another can deliver them. In this way, one can ask to be crucified, and, another can nail him to a cross...without knowing what he is doing. The one who nails him to a cross is "giving" the potential to feel a feeling that the One does not know in the paradise of knowledge. The one who has satisfied his curiosity about such feelings...the one who no longer wishes to be ignorant...the one who is willing to let such feelings go..."forgives" the one who is "giving" the potential for pain and suffering. In this way, the forgiver "breaks" the old agreement, and establishes a new agreement. The new agreement is an agreement to love overtly. The old agreement is an agreement to love covertly. Both are love. In this way, all things are love. The old is love because it gives as asked...covertly giving what is covertly asked for [the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing]. The new is love because it gives what everyone truly wants, according to the will of GoD. The old testament gives what each one desires...but not truly...because the concept of different desires is not true. There is only One will. So, the appearance of different wills...is not true. If, for example, you impose 'your will' on another, it is not true. It is not your will, and neither is it "you". Also, it is not the others will, and it is not "him". You are the One, and he is the One. You are Christ, and he is Christ. As you can now see, the old testament is about the crucifixion of Christ...for feelings. The world is the old testament...and it crucifies the One, in many ways. In this way, the many crucifies the One. What is not well known, is that Jesus did not suffer on the cross, because he forgave. Forgiveness returns one's mind to what is real. What is real does not suffer.

Christ!



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
But I see good as respecting anothers free will, and evil as not respecting another persons free will. Which is a result of not understanding the truth. At the base, I find 1 universal law, and that is to not impose on another persons free will. And I see that as being the same as when Jesus says love is the universal law, because if you love someone then you respect their free will. My basic laws, including the commandments can come from these few laws. Theft, murder, rape and so on are all infringes on another persons will.

I then look at the actions taken, and in that I look at if they are breaking this law. If they are, then I feel they are doing evil.


The Self-imposition of ignorance for feelings is an expression of freedom. The will that acts out ignorant roles is an illusiory will. It seems to have freedom, but, as an actor which is compelled to recite his lines, "persons" are nOt fRee. Persons are automatons...machines...props...illusions...which perform pre-scripted "actions". If you have ever had a 'deja vu' experience, you can begin to understand just how precisely each one is playing a pre-scripted role. Each one's experience is entirely prescripted, regargless he seems to make "choices" within the play. Such choices are not choices at all. They are more like a multiple choice virtual reality game. You may choose alternative paths, but all paths you may choose are already anticipated, and scripted in.

So, now you are applying a universal law to an automaton which has no free will, and it gets confusing. The universal law of freedom allows the players to keep playing as long as they desire. And the play will be both comic and tragic. But while they play, they are not free.

Such a life is not Life. Think of worldly "life" as "lies for feelings". It one big lie, with some feelings intervening. The lie and the feelings are not true. The "lies" are the necessary props...illusions...fake circumstances that keep the feelings coming and going. Such a "life" is nOt tRue...not "the truth". You may think that such a life is "good". But as I am explaining, if you think that, then you must think slavery is good. It get's very mixed up when you begin to judge what is "good" about unreality as true.

Belief in personhood is a sign of a desire to continue playing games of "good and evil" as if there was some truth to be found there. The will that acts out illusiory roles is unreal. It is a prop. It is not a true will. True will belongs to the One. So, you must lay down the false will for the true will. This is the only "path" that makes sense. This is the "way" of Jesus. When the old will is laid down, the true will can take up its own Life as Life itself. The old will is not interested in Life. It is interested in death. That's not what anyone really wants...but for ignorance. The old will cannot develop a liking for Life. It cannot be evolved into a True Will. All it can do is decide to get the hell out of the way...and 'die'. It has the freedom to 'live' or 'die'. That is all.

Christ!


[edit on 5-12-2008 by Christ!]



posted on Dec, 30 2008 @ 10:56 AM
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the link is cannot be found, why is that? please help



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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why is the are lone german beside seat 666 at the EU?

655 Couteaux (France)
656 Fitzsimons (France)
657 Hyland (France)
658 Kuntz (France)
659 De La Perrière (France)
660 Marchiani (France)
661 Montfort (France)
662 Quiero (France)
663 Souchet (France)
664 Thomas-Mauro (France)
665 Zissener (Germany)
666 -------
667 Cappato (Italy)
668 Turco (Italy)
669 Bonino (Italy)
670 Pannella (Italy)
671 Dupuis (Italy)
672 Della Vedova (Italy)
673 Dell'Alba (Italy)
674 Gorostiaga Atxalandabaso (Italy)
675 Gobbo (Italy)
676 Speroni (Italy)
677 Bossi (Italy)
678 Formentini (Italy)



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 09:02 AM
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For that matter;
Why is there an Italian sitting on the other side?





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