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Russia helps Iraq hide WMD's in Syria!

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posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 05:10 PM
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www.newsmax.com...

Russia and China are certainly sizing themselves up to start a nuclear war with the United States, this article goes into detail regarding how Iraq was aided by Russian military advisors to relocate their WMD's to Syria. These are very dangerous times, I am truly thankful to the genius President Reagan for building our nuclear stockpile to such enormous levels. There will be a nuclear event mark my words.




posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 07:11 AM
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It will be their mistake as i reckon we have more advanced secret weapons than they do as we have had more money to research with.

AND you can bet your ass we have a defence shield of high technology in secret not missiles more like lasers and other exotic things and proabaly magnetic repulsion shields or a shield like thing that would protect areas from blasts if any got through.

Sounds mad dont it but i bet its true as the technolgy we see today is OLD to the military and even some Goverment departments, you think the trillions spent on black ops and military if for what we see today pfft as if.

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posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 07:30 AM
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Been done at least once before:

Iraq’s WMD – Hidden in Syria



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:05 AM
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Incredulous. I can't believe that there are still those who believe in the big, fat lie of WMD in Iraq. The only WMD around here lives in the Whitehouse. Yeah, thank God for Reagan, one can never strive too high in finding ways to destroy Ourselves.

******************Special News Bulletin*****************
Santa was just spotted leaving the Easter Bunnys house with Iraqs
WMD. He was purportedly delivering them to the Tooth Fairys house when
discovered. More to follow....



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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dont underestimate Russia and China!I live next Russia and im working im logistics and have traveled several times in Russia an a couple of times in Demededova which is a biggest russian aircraft facility!i have spoken whit workers and they said that they have more work than before Sowiet Union!!Their are producing a lot of SU-27 and Su-25 and even SU-39 and are exporting them to China!!!I really doubt that Russia have no areas 51 of their own!!Simply no one knows about it!!In Sibiria you can hide half of Europe and no one would notice that!!!



posted on Feb, 20 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by beaburt
www.newsmax.com...

. These are very dangerous times, I am truly thankful to the genius President Reagan for building our nuclear stockpile to such enormous levels. There will be a nuclear event mark my words.


If your assumption is correct there can be no winners other than the insects who survive,I agrre these are dangerous and desturbing times.

Was not the cold war like this?

Schools did nuke drills ,the 3 minute warning again these all generated fear,is not something else afoot here?



posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Demetre
Incredulous. I can't believe that there are still those who believe in the big, fat lie of WMD in Iraq. The only WMD around here lives in the Whitehouse. Yeah, thank God for Reagan, one can never strive too high in finding ways to destroy Ourselves.

******************Special News Bulletin*****************
Santa was just spotted leaving the Easter Bunnys house with Iraqs
WMD. He was purportedly delivering them to the Tooth Fairys house when
discovered. More to follow....



LOL Ya So what is your favorite flavor of Kool Aid!
Saddam enriches ~1.8 ton of uranium by 1995....nah he had no desire for WMD and his scientist were all lying. Their lies were so convincing that even Duelfer had a total delusion of confirming the quantity. Man those scientist must be master of persuasion, watch out David Copperfield!

BTW do you know how much material it takes to assemble a average size nuke...I'll give you a hint: It is a fraction of a ton....a very small fraction. Not saying he had a nuke, but your kiding yourself if you think he did not want one really really bad.




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/LOL forgot the quote! Doh

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posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 10:46 PM
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lets not forget who gave saddam his chemical and biological weapons in the 80's when he was fighting iran for us while we fought the russians from behind the scenes, using the muj- who morphed into al qaeda.
when the ussr broke up, soviet defectors were selling nukes and material all over the black market.
The russian invasion of afghanistan in 79 will turn out to be the event that does in the world. kind of a delayed reaction, huh.
after russia pulled out of afghan, we no longer needed saddam and hoodwinked him into invading kuwait so we'd have an excuse to destroy that massive army we built for him. we should have took out the muj as well, we had cause, they supported saddam. instead we gave them hundreds of millions of dollars AFTER they openly supported saddam. don't believe me, read George Criles book "charlie wilsons war" for yourself.

oh what a tangled web we weaved.



posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by beaburt
www.newsmax.com...

Russia and China are certainly sizing themselves up to start a nuclear war with the United States, this article goes into detail regarding how Iraq was aided by Russian military advisors to relocate their WMD's to Syria. These are very dangerous times, I am truly thankful to the genius President Reagan for building our nuclear stockpile to such enormous levels. There will be a nuclear event mark my words.


What the hell does China have to do with this? This article said nothing of China having to do with this... so why must you mention them? Sigh... just one of the never-ending anti-china postings...

LOL mark your words? There will be a nuclear event?
You have got to be kiddin me. The U.S. will not declare war on Russia and China even if this was true... let alone starting "a nuclear war". Seems to me some ppl in this forum want war/nuclear war a bit too badly.



posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 11:19 PM
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The only way that a nuclear war would ever break out is if some fanatic got ahold of one, snuk into either the US or Europe (or say some crazy Chechen) and blows himself up as well as 100,000 other people.
Wars are fought over either strategic landmarks that can "outflank" your opponent or for resources.
Even so called wars of liberation are always fought for either one fo those two goals. Thank you for mentioning the great book Charlie Wilsons war whoever it was that posted that.
As for the Latvian, welcome to ATS, and surprisingly I did know about those airbases and the Russian arms trade with China. (It helps to have a grandfather whose a member of the CFR) Russia and China have signed a joint defense treaty as of 2004 I beleive, it's designed to counter the power of the United States AND the European Union. But no, they won't go nuclear.
China just wants to modernize and expand its fleet and air force...Russia wants to conquer all the lost Soviet territories and then march to the English Channel...no I'm not lying.
Of course China wouldn't mind knocking the US around the Pacific for kicks, but for RIGHT NOW that's economically unfeasible. May change in the next ten years as China replaces the US as the global economic superpower however and the rest of the Eastern world competes more heavily.
As for the WMD's beign moved ot Syria....DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But the real reason we invaded Iraq was to preempt an Islamic coup of the nation (Hussein only play acted as a muslim, most conservative Muslims hated him for this) which would have united Iraq in a treaty with Iran and Syria, would have then destreoyed Israel and actively sought to nuke Europe.
Plus Iraq had the worlds largest stockpile of oil reserve....it's ours now. That too was a reason for the war.



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by SpecAgentDW
China just wants to modernize and expand its fleet and air force...Russia wants to conquer all the lost Soviet territories and then march to the English Channel...no I'm not lying.



Yes it is truth!I can say it because i am feeling that on my own!!!But I dont think that EU have enough power to deal whit Russia!!Europe is fully adictive to Russian gas,and oil!!If Russia wanted to deal whit as they must simply cut down they gas and oil export and wait til winter,we will freez to the death!!!I dont like very much U.S, but it has only power to do something to stop Russian,Chinese and muslims expansion!!!!

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posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by swesais
Yes it is truth!I can say it because i am feeling that on my own!!!But I dont think that EU have enough power to deal whit Russia!!Europe is fully adictive to Russian gas,and oil!!If Russia wanted to deal whit as they must simply cut down they gas and oil export and wait til winter,we will freez to the death!!!I dont like very much U.S, but it has only power to do something to stop Russian,Chinese and muslims expansion!!!!



Is Austrumu Robeza still kicking? I hope your energy situation improves but don't hold your breath, old line Russia is still pissed,



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 05:09 AM
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Waht do you mean whit Austrumu Robeža!??If our theathre than yes, it is still kicking!! If you mean people than more than ever!!!



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by Imperium Americana
Saddam enriches ~1.8 ton of uranium by 1995....nah he had no desire for WMD and his scientist were all lying.


- I don't suppose you would care to complete that claim and give information about the level of "enrichment" of what was found.

That might spoil the implications of your comments, right?


The IAEA also arranged for and supervised the removal from Iraq of all weapon-usable nuclear material-- essentially highly enriched uranium (HEU) research reactor fuel -- and accounted for and placed under its control, all other known nuclear materials --some 500 tons of natural uranium in various chemical com pounds and some 1.8 tons of low enriched (2.6 %) uranium dioxide.

72.14.207.104/search

- So there you have it from the reliable source that is the IAEA.
Saddam had a small quantity of highly enriched research reactor fuel (a quantity so small it is not quantified in either size or quality); the 500 tons of unrefined 'yellow cake' 'everyone' knows about and lastly your 1.8 tons of low enriched (2.6%) uranium dioxide.

BTW Saddam's desire for nuclear weapons has not been questioned by anyone so it only makes sense that his scientists would say that he did want them.
So what?
The point is that he did not have them and he was perfectly well contained.
It did not require a murderous, destabilising, enormously expensive and illegal war to prove that.


BTW do you know how much material it takes to assemble a average size nuke...I'll give you a hint: It is a fraction of a ton....a very small fraction.


- What do you mean "material"?

This is exactly the point; there is a blatant 'use' of people's understandable ignorance in this regard.

"Enrichment" is simply an abused term. The word itself is not specific enough to tell us anything accurate in this regard.

It does not mean 'bomb material' in itself.


The aim of enrichment is to increase the proportion of fissile uranium-235 atoms within uranium.

For uranium to work in a nuclear reactor it must be enriched to contain 2-3% uranium-235. Weapons-grade uranium must contain 90% or more u-235.

news.bbc.co.uk...

- So, there you can see, clear as day, that Saddam's "enriched uranium" is power station fuel material and not the type of "enriched uranium" suitable as nuclear bomb material at all.


Not saying he had a nuke, but your kiding yourself if you think he did not want one really really bad.


- No, of course you are "not saying he had a nuke" because he did not and you can not.
You just seem to want to imply he might well have had one and if not was on the verge of getting one.
Which is simply not true.


A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles...........

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va.

www.newsmax.com...

- Excuse me if I don't believe a (highly convenient) word of this, given the obvious diversionary and minimising lie it plainly contains.
Saddam didn't just get his WMD from Russia; the USA helped Saddam get them and the whole world knows it.

You'll also excuse me if I find the claims that would have people believe in an imminent Russian take-over of Europe as, frankly, detached from any credible reality.

Russia isn't about to attack anyone with nuclear or conventional weapons and spark off WW3 - and neither is China.

The paranoid dreams and delusions of conquest some seem to cling to really are not matched by the situation on the ground.

Why (not to mention how) would the Russians withdraw from an eastern Europe that, very vocally, no longer wants their occupation, then go on to run down their military and stop it's insane over-consumption of their wealth now seek to reverse matters a few years later and do it all again but this time from a much more difficult starting point (for them)?

Sorry but that makes no sense at all.

Equally the Chinese 'yellow peril' myth is not matched by reality either. China is making far too much money and gaining huge economic security through global trade, why on earth would anyone there want to upset that?


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posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 06:29 AM
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the only good nuke is no nuke... somebody should have made a law to ban nuclear weapons production at the end of the cold war but i guess people dont think like that do they. i hope russia understands... if they fire a nuke at anycountry... that country is gonna fire nukes at them too and who ever started is gonna suffer just as much as the other country. nobody will survive the next war thanks to the "genius" president as you call him who let the us make enough nukes to blow the world up 13 times over. now everybody wants to have a million nukes just like the us, even iraq is willing to do anything to get its hands on nuclear weapons. soon every country in the world is gonna have a nuclear weapons arsenal, and then when the bombs land in your backyard you can thank that "genius" president regan.



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 06:34 AM
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It can certainly be said that we live in dangerous times, a lot of people refuse to see that however. It can also be said that nothing that happens in the 21st century, or even the past two has happened by accident.

It's almost as if everything that happens is according to some great plan, maybe even a "grand work"?

Pure speculation of course but it seems to me as though the only bad guys are the guys in charge.



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 03:47 AM
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I saw a ex-US general mention this a few days ago on the news. Talking about a Spetnaz team comming into Iraq and moving the WMDs.

Its interesting and well within the capability of a team like the Russian Spetsnaz. They are some of the most highly trained men on the planet.

Saddam was also well known to move out weapons when the US comes a knocking remember his fighter jets he flew to Iran so they wouldn't get blown up in 1991. Though Iran never gave those back LOL. So I doubt he would send anything to Iran for safe keeping again.

Saddam had so much time to move any WMDs. The invasion was obvious over the long military build up. Saddam saw this all before in 1991 he knew he had no chance of winning.

Think about your mom telling she suspected you were smoking pot and she was going to search your room for pot. But oh by the way she wont be searching for a week. Would there be any pot when she looked?



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Shadow XIX: The pot smoking analogy is pretty much the funniest way I've heard anyone alnalyze the situation. Great job.



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
I saw a ex-US general mention this a few days ago on the news. Talking about a Spetnaz team comming into Iraq and moving the WMDs.

Its interesting and well within the capability of a team like the Russian Spetsnaz. They are some of the most highly trained men on the planet.

Agreed there. Not that I'm an expert, but that one Russian dude I saw in the UFC, Oleg Taktarov, convinced me that Russians are some of the toughest and most determined sob's out there. I always feel like communism allows a more focused fighter anyway, because morality is not a factor. Surely their training programs are very, very effective. I'm remembering stories of Korean war vets who talked about the Chinese mortar technicians they fought. The respect in their voice was obvious.

China and Russia have regular civil defense drills and lots of shelters underground. After nuke war there will surely be land war, and it's not a pretty thought.

I see the BRIC alliance as an extremely powerful entity, positioned well to grab power and control on their continent. India is a wild card IMO. The reason I see China and Russia truly uniting in spite of past differences is due to the communist ideal of globalism, and the fact that communism is poised to collect a lot of humans when Capital-Globalism fails or is caused to fail. Socialist-Globalism will easily step in, probably after mass-traumatization of the planet's population via war.

There are news stories about the CCP being very nervous about losing power in China, and of course they have released propaganda which says they'd be willing to lose all cities East of Xian in a nuke exchange, which is a lot of Chinese people dead. Hopefully that was just rhetoric from a crazy general or else the Chinese people need regime change quick.



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 10:40 PM
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During the Korean war, Doug MacArthur threatened to nuke any Chinese army crossing the border into North Korea. The Chinese commanding general was quted as saying in reply: We'll lose ten million, but still have one hundred million to throw at you.



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