I'm not saying .mil site aren't hacked. I'm saying the classified ones aren't. I worked with classified networks for 10 yrs now. Never heard of anything getting on the network except viri. Even then they viri can't touch back to an unclassified system. As for proving who i work for, the only way someone would have proof is if I personally took them to the site and shown them. See that the problem when asking for proof in such things. The reason I get so ticked it because people start bringing up this old news which really doesn't have any use. I got one of my unclass computers hacked at the site once by a guy in the netherlands. What do you think he was doing on a government computer you ask? He had downloaded an IRC porn bot on it so he could use the free bandwitdh from the government for porn. When they finally found him what do you want to bet, he was screaming that he found classified documents? The point is you won't find anything your looking for on the unclassified networks unless someone moved it there. Period. look up what a CTM does in the military and you'll find out what my job was. the protection of classified data and maintenace on the equipment. I've been out for a few years but still I pretty much do the same thing as well as analysis.

-Aza

I remember this from the news and it was quite a big story at the time my point is

WHY DO THEY WANT HIM PUT AWAY SO BADLY?

if he never found anything classified, they sure pulled out all the strings to get him.
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And anti-grav is real check out americanantigravity.com for prove of what can be done with a limited budget. Imagine what they could do with unlimited funds and one last thing Bush is saying new energy is near and its going to blow americans away, wonder if its linked to this type of research.

Well here is the issue though. He deleted 1300 user accounts. If I was the governemtn and I had a whole system up and running and then some guy came in and just screwed the payroll system I'd be fuming too. I'm not saying he attacked the payroll, but when you purposefully delete accounts and then evade by using numerous routes in the network, i know i would of wanted to personally bash the guys head in if i was that network admin.
He cost 1300 or more users to lose all the work they had. Tha'ts military commanders, civilian contractors, and governement employees that do budgets for certain commands. You know most budgets are done on the unclassified network. Plus the manhours to restore that data (if its restorable). Talk about a nightmare. So while he may not deserve that really huge fine, the reason for the fine is for the damages and the connections he had into the system. If you had an admin password for microsoft and you just started deleting account from them , how much money do you think they'd lose. Just think about that

As for antigravity I have no doubt about that. the theory has been around since the 40's

-Aza

[edit on 22-2-2006 by Azathoth]

I think there are some issues with his story, but I believe it could be credible. If it so easy to download all of the classfied US documents, then why haven't these documents starting appearing on the internet? Wouldn't someone start posting them?

The other thing is that people do get lazy. I recall reading about a number of officials getting into trouble for keeping classified data on unclassified networks. This could've comprised what he found. Additionally, we do know there is active espionage against the US. It could be conceivable that he leached off of somebody else's espionage system. That could also explain all the connetions from around the world.

Further, I don't know how the classified systems are networked, but a single link between the public internet and the classified network could potentially compromise the whole system. While this is probably difficult, I don't see why it couldn't be possible.

No responses to my post? I am doing this type of work now.

Mr. Jenka, I used to live in Cheltenham, Abington more specifically. Willow grove mall is indeed very nice, I prefer it to king of prussia cause it was closer, less crowded, and nicer!

There is an airforce base just south of doylestown correct? I used to pass it on the way to the regent movie theatre on weekends. Doylestown is literally 5 min north of Willow Grove. And Willow grove is a pretty nice area, so it is entirely possible that Mr. Jenka does indeed work at this airforce base. Its a fairly small base too if I recall correctly. Very possible that it its primary function is intelligence rather than airplane support etc. I always saw a ton of Hercules flying in and out of there.

Is this where you work Mr. Jenka?

Some people like to create a comfort zone in there minds "no one can hack military servers"
hahahahahaha

A couple of months back (it would be much appreciated if someone could find it i havnt looked but ive definitly read it). Some american hacked into the military server that controls the pasific fleets (US navy) radar system. GUess what - he turned it off.
He got arrested and now hes doin time. tellin me that people cant do it is like sayin pigs can fly.

I think this is the hottest story out right now. Gary McKinnon, the hacker, should be considered a hero, an itellectual Robin Hood of sorts. Think about it, our government was trying to hide the study of anti-matter technology from us. The implications are endless, it could change the world as much this century as did electicity in the previous one, if this pans out to be true and is NOT subverted or brought up as an act of terrorsim.

It should be noted that absolutely nothing is hacker proof. The suggestion that systems holding sensitive data are most likely not available from the internet is accurate, but that doesn't mean they can't be targetted from the internet.

I have never known a smart black hat to go from A to E via B, C, and D. Microsoft didn't keep their Windows source code on a system connected to the internet either, and it was fully encrypted as well, but their software was stolen anyway.

I don't know if I buy into the credibility of the guy interviewed, but to say it isn't possible is to ignore the weak links in any system, which almost always exist. Those weak links are usually not identified until after the damage is done.

What he did was he hacked into peoples computers that were associated with a agency like NASA, CIA, MIL.etc that had computers online (webpage, ip's that are unprotected located in the network), then he went through the constent connected servers and networks with out needing a admin log in, and pass and when he needed one to access another connected network, which might be on a lan which is connected to another lan somewhere out there through a tunnle, he would wait out and wait for one to type in there user name an password then he calculate the time when the user would most likely not be on then he log in and read the documents and in some cases looked at raw photos that were yet to be airbrushed out or were just in the record and other crazy stuff.

Of course he do this by bounching his connection with 3 to 4 zombies (other comp or nodes), but he sliped and only used 1 or 2, which can be located and tracked way faster then 3 or 4 since the possiblity of connected ip's will have to all be scanned i think.

This all can be done with cheap or free software, you just need alot of skill and a plane and timing has to be right and some coding knowledge.

I am pretty sure the above wont work anymore since this was like 7 years ago, I dont know ant of t he new fancy techniques and modified specails people use... But I have talked to people who have gotten far into these networks and some even vanished off the face of the earth (Literally). All I can say I had someone who was doing this recently (withien the year) and he was telling me about some massive cyborg project they are working on at some underground base, that needs to be known because of its future plans with it, and he went MIA a few hours later, its been like 10 weeks now, his myspace is still there (I think) emails are there (I think), phone line worked for about 3 weeks but went out after 5 weeks I think, and oh I gave up hunting him down.

So lol like the above word of advice, if you are going to do this, be aware, this is the shadow government sort of stuff going on if you f up, I dont think you will ever be heard from again.

Its been years since I have done it, and I do not feel like dieing so I wont say what I found during my happy file browsing, I probally listed everything all wrong in the procedure used though. All I can say is the pentagon had worse database security back then, then my current computer which only have windows firewall...

if he is extradited to the U.S. we should protest in support of him. This sounds like the REAL DEAL to me!

the difference between now and ww2 is now is not too late, if they extradite him, hopefully the National News will get wind of it and hopefully it gets blown up from there.

Of course, our government will try to sweep it under the rug, it in in there interest to do so, the key is being proactive and vocal in an attempt to stop them.

But this individual is worth more to them as a government employee rather than still costing them money and sitting in jail doing nothing. The US has a wonderful track record of hiring plenty of cons. Why stop now?

if our govt. had the choice they wouldn't stop now, however, we, the people, have to make it OUR choice! This man is more important to the British/American people, the people of the world for that matter than he is to the Government of the US.

The Government has seen people like this in one form of spying or another for the last 50 years, the people of the world have not seen anyone credible to their knowledge yet.

Originally posted by fishmaster
But this individual is worth more to them as a government employee rather than still costing them money and sitting in jail doing nothing. The US has a wonderful track record of hiring plenty of cons. Why stop now?

I agree, they should hire him. Use his knowledge to train others in these secrets and use these abilities to gather intelligence on everyone. I certainly hope they find his skills useful in not only building up internal security, but also in penetrating others.

gosh infinite, do you hope that he makes security so good that no one else will ever again hear about this story or any other like it?

Originally posted by Azathoth
I'm not saying .mil site aren't hacked. I'm saying the classified ones aren't.
-Aza

That may be the case now, but certainly not in the past as many classifed systems were hacked. Though saying classified doesn't really mean much considering the many levels of classification in the government and military. The bigger risk, in my opinion, is from those within these classified areas leaking information or selling it. There is much more sensitive data stolen this way than any other.

Originally posted by mrjenka

...and i'm the Queen of England. Show us an ID card and your access card (with your picture, name and id card blanked out, of course), and tell us where most of your work is centered and what you do at the DIA.
Well hello Queen, Nice to meet you . Would you also like my social security #, credit card #'s and everything else pretaining to me? Why is it so hard to believe someone works for a branch of our goverment. The reason why I can not tell you what I specialize in because you would need a clearance or a "need to know" . Obviously, you, not having any of those, I can not tell you or anyone. I can tell you that I do NOT work with the EBE/UFO department but have heard things. I am a USAF Colonel.

You know whats funny is that you work for the DIA and you don't even know how to quote someone in a forum. WOW, you sure are high class.

Loser.

[edit on 8-5-2006 by texmiller]