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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The numbers of dead throughout the Middle East and South Asia is increasing daily. We never hear about the numbers dying in riots or protests otherwise. Those that aren’t over cartoons I mean. Maybe the western media is simply trying to give us what they want us to hear.
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My other fear is that these protests are over much more than these cartoons (duh), but the news media wants to denigrate those lives lost by saying that they died over a cartoon. This would be even worse, in my opinion, because those who did make it to the frontlines of the media are not seen as having died for the cause of freedom (or whatever they probably did die for) but instead seen as dying because they were mad at a cartoon.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, it is true. They did die over a cartoon. But is wasn't in the cause of freedom - just the opposite. It was because they want to oppress those who do not worship Allah.
How can I say that with confidence? Because of the hundreds of anti-west and anti-Israeli cartoons that are regularly posted by these same protestors. That equals hypocrisy, imo.
The media is not denigrating their lives. The media is celebrating our freedom of speech and religion.
Hidden Motives Behind Cartoon Riots
[...]
Pakistani observers point out that while the protests may have done little to bring the alleged blasphemers under pressure they have certainly conveyed the destructive potential of injured religious sentiment to the outside world.
"Is this the image of ourselves that we want to paint for the outside world?" Punjab Chief Minister Pervez Ellahi asked of the riots in Lahore.
"Are we trying to convince the West that Muslims are indeed violent people?"
Maybe not, but perhaps Pakistan's religious leadership may not be averse to the idea of demonstrating to the world that Pakistanis remain a deeply religious people despite Gen Musharraf's liberal rhetoric.
And if demonstrating this requires arson and looting, it may be a small price in the mind of the country's religious leadership for emphasising an orthodox cultural agenda which has been under consistent pressure since the September 2001 attacks on the US.
[...]
Western observers may be baffled at the images of Muslim rioters burning the properties of other Muslims in protest at sacrilege committed by Danes.
But they may find the situation easier to understand if they give a thought to what might be the real target of the rioters.
Is it a bunch of nameless and faceless cartoonists living in Denmark or a government at home which is threatening their orthodoxy with its liberal rhetoric?
Publication of blasphemous caricatures eroding West's goodwill: President
[...]
Replying to a question, he said such blasphemous acts were making militant elements to gain ground. "They are made to gain ground by such acts, they will gain ground, we are making them gain ground," he added. On the violence during protests in Pakistan, the President said the protestors were infiltrated by those who had political agendas and they expanded the scope of the protest against this blasphemous act to let down the government. Looting shops was not the job of anyone who is agitating against blasphemy, he said.
[...]
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
You don't see it as a little odd that no other protests have had the media coverage that these do? Why isn't it covered when people die in protests over the occupation of Iraq, or the Abu Ghraib incidents. These seem like more valid protests. Are we to believe that there are no protests other protests in which people die?
It seems very obvious that the media is either strategicly picking it's stories to make them Middle Eastern activists look like they're not willing to die over anything but cartoons. Or these are much bigger protests, with more serious subjects at the core than cartoons, but we're being told that it's over cartoons because it makes us chuckle rather that worry, or sympathise with those protesting.
ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reforms Minister Roberto Calderoli resigned on Saturday following deadly clashes in Libya over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad that he had made into T-shirts and wore on state television, a spokesman said....
Reuters, February 18, 2006
TRIPOLI, Libya - Libya suspended the interior minister Saturday, citing an "excessive use of force" in riots the day before that left at least 10 people dead in the bloodiest protest yet against the Prophet Muhammad cartoons that have roiled the Muslim world...
Associated Press, February 18, 2006.
"Our enemies have skilfully adapted to fighting wars in today's media age, but... our country has not," he said.
Mr Rumsfeld said al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremists were bombarding Muslims with negative images of the West, which had poisoned the public view of the US.
The US must fight back by operating a more effective, 24-hour propaganda machine, or risk a "dangerous deficiency," he said....
BBC, February 17, 2006.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice asked Congress yesterday to provide $75 million in emergency funding to step up pressure on the Iranian government, including expanding radio and television broadcasts into Iran and promoting internal opposition to the rule of religious leaders...
Washing Post, February 16, 2006
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I think the reason these protests are so much in the news is because they shine a light on radical Islam, which supports the current administration's agenda. After all, if they can get our hatred up for all Muslims, then we will support the War in Iraq the the future war in Iran.
However, the 1000-man protests right here in the USA against the war aren't covered at all because that would lower support for the wars. It's all about the governmental control of the media and the ease at which the American mind and loyalty are swayed.
Ever wonder why the Danish cartoon protest signs held by Middle Easterners are in English?
We are being played.
Originally posted by jsobecky
The signs were in English for the same reason that the riots continue: someone is trying desperately to incite the west to react to this violence.
And Joe Six-pack doesn't need to know anything more than the fact that some wackos are burning and killing over a cartoon. He's made up his mind; he doesn't need to be convinced on a daily basis. He's smarter than he is given credit for.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm not a fence-sitter, but I have found myself getting frustrated and grouping all Muslims together and that's against everything I believe in.
The media is having an effect on me! And I consider it brainwashing.
The purpose of it is to turn the West against Muslims and promote our war on the Middle East, I'm convinced. Fortunately, I'm able to stay conscious about it and not fall for the propaganda.
Originally posted by Beachcoma
I think what Rasobasi420 is trying to say is that the media puts a spin on it's reports to the point that it appears worse than it is. For example CNN reported that "Malaysia says the cartoons are an attack on Islam".
I am from Malaysia and I can tell you straight away that's bull. Certain protesters said that. But the report makes it look like it's the government's position, therefore Malaysia's official position.
So the point is if they can spin that little bit of news, don't you think it's quite reasonable to assume they'd spin everything else?
You know what I think about this whole thing? I think the western media is taking advantage of this whole cartoon controversy to paint muslims in a bad light and I think that radical opposition elements within the countries that are rioting are taking advantage of this controversy to mobilize support for their cause and destabilize their governments.
Who loses the most? The moderate muslim majority.
Originally posted by jsobecky
So what? Any discerning reader that cared about that would certainly delve deeper to learn the true position of the Malaysian gov't. But I doubt whether it matters to many outsiders whether it was the gov't. or the rioters that said that.
Originally posted by Beachcoma
Originally posted by jsobecky
So what? Any discerning reader that cared about that would certainly delve deeper to learn the true position of the Malaysian gov't. But I doubt whether it matters to many outsiders whether it was the gov't. or the rioters that said that.
So what? So what? What an ethnocentric point of view. Yes, a discerning reader would delve deeper. Unfortunately most people just take what they read in the papers as gospel. Besides, Malaysia is a small unimportant country on the world stage, most people wouldn't give two hoots what is up with the country, as proven by your statement. And just like you they'd assume there are riots going on here as well when the fact is it was a small protests organized by the opposition party leaders.
For example CNN reported that "Malaysia says the cartoons are an attack on Islam".
I am from Malaysia and I can tell you straight away that's bull. Certain protesters said that. But the report makes it look like it's the government's position, therefore Malaysia's official position.
What is the official position of the rioters? I don't know, there are no riots going on. What are you talking about? Rioters elsewhere? I don't know either but if you had payed attention to the details you might realise that the riots elsewhere are politically motivated.
What I was trying to say was that there is a spin in every single report that comes out these days. It's subtle, but it's there. Perhaps it's so subtle even you didn't spot it.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The numbers of dead throughout the Middle East and South Asia is increasing daily. We never hear about the numbers dying in riots or protests otherwise. Those that aren’t over cartoons I mean. Maybe the western media is simply trying to give us what they want us to hear.
< snip >
My other fear is that these protests are over much more than these cartoons (duh), but the news media wants to denigrate those lives lost by saying that they died over a cartoon. This would be even worse, in my opinion, because those who did make it to the frontlines of the media are not seen as having died for the cause of freedom (or whatever they probably did die for) but instead seen as dying because they were mad at a cartoon.
Well, it is true. They did die over a cartoon. But is wasn't in the cause of freedom - just the opposite. It was because they want to oppress those who do not worship Allah.
How can I say that with confidence? Because of the hundreds of anti-west and anti-Israeli cartoons that are regularly posted by these same protestors. That equals hypocrisy, imo.
The media is not denigrating their lives. The media is celebrating our freedom of speech and religion.