It has been said that chips are not the sign of the beast ... but credit cards in a cashless society. In such a society you would need credit cards to buy or sell. We would all owe debt to the Beast.

Originally posted by ktprktpr
In such a society you would need credit cards to buy or sell. We would all owe debt to the Beast.

...And who's represented by those very same credit cards? Banks!

...Who is it that controls the "money" (more accurately, "corporate scrip") in the USA & has similar control over the "money" of most nations in the world? Banks!

...And who is it that has used that "money" to bankrupt nations & individuals alike? Banks!

...And when you look at the types of people who own the banks & conspire with each other to continue on manipulating the control of humanity as a whole & reduces the human race to abject slavery, who is it that you're *really* looking at? The Book of Revelations gives a name to the type of person with this attitude towards humanity...

antichrist!

Well it seems that almost everyone thinks the VeriChip is a bad idea. The only way you will ever get one in me would be by post mortem. However how would the US get the majority of Christians to accept this device (I hope the majority of Christians have some concept of the mark of the beast.) Which brings up an interesting question. What portion of the population would accept the VeriChip. It is interesting to note that even when I was an atheist, I knew better than to allow anyone to put some kind of mark on me to permit me to buy or sell (If that every happened, then that would have verified what the Christians were saying all along.) Anyone has a feel or thoughts as to how the general population would accept use of the VeriChip in humans.

Jews during World War II were rounded up and the rest is known what happened. Christians will be rounded up as anti - americans who are keeping security from coming to this country by refusal to take the chip. If Hitler could lead a nation against the jews then the anti-christ will have little trouble. The outcome will be we all will lose on something that if done right could help prevent children from being kidnapped and molested. But this is only if those watching can be trusted.

Michael

I'm glad I haven't gotten any shots in the past five years. . . There isn't anyway I'm getting that shot, no matter how many ways or times they try to get me to take it!!

My people are against it!!

I may not be a card carrying, right winged always devout Christian, but I do believe the chip/mark/tag device is the correct interpretation of "the mark of the Beast".

I also agree that the cashless society is one step closer to our being totally controlled. Our dependancy here in Canada on debit cards vs. cash or cheques is astounding, and their use grows daily.

Sooner or later, our "Big Brothers" will be aware that we ate Cheerios for breakfast and used Trojans the night before.....

why would you think it's an Intel chip?
Once the design and patents are out, any one could make a chip under licence. Its the only way that it could be made in mass numbers.
Other companies to watch are sat nav, GPRS companies having tie ups with nano tech companies to make always on tracking devices, that will link with a central database.
Chip design is where the standards are set. Making the chip is the easy bit.

It among too many other things, is a sign of the devil. Evil, it is evil incarnate. The implications of being tracked by the government has unknown reprecussions. If anything, THEY should be the ones being tracked.

Not you and me, not the people. It is US who are in control of this country. When will anyone see this...

When you finally do, you know how to contact me.

[Edited on 28-10-2003 by ADVISOR]

Originally posted by Ark-Angel
Jews during World War II were rounded up and the rest is known what happened. Christians will be rounded up as anti - americans who are keeping security from coming to this country by refusal to take the chip. If Hitler could lead a nation against the jews then the anti-christ will have little trouble. The outcome will be we all will lose on something that if done right could help prevent children from being kidnapped and molested. But this is only if those watching can be trusted.

Michael

Trust me mate, it's not only Christians who are against this chip.
I wrote a song about this.

This Is Not a Test


Begin. The process may require you to be under anasthaetic.
If you are allergic to any drugs, please let us know now.

Don't be alarmed, you have woken in the middle of the operation,
We'll put you back under soon, you'll be asleep again soon,
Yes I know the pain is hard to bear, it'll go away soon,
Here we are, just relax and count to ten...

Now everything is finished, you are a shining example,
What you have done here today will reverberate for centuries.
There is no telling what we could do with the type of technology in your head,
Crimes will no longer go unsolved and miscreants will be under our control.

Hey, I'm all for it, "miscreants will be under our control", I'm no miscreant, I Love the government, I let them stamp me down every day, I LIKE it, really, no really, really, I do...



[Edited on 28-10-2003 by Đany]

Originally posted by LAW
why would you think it's an Intel chip?
Once the design and patents are out, any one could make a chip under licence. Its the only way that it could be made in mass numbers.
Other companies to watch are sat nav, GPRS companies having tie ups with nano tech companies to make always on tracking devices, that will link with a central database.
Chip design is where the standards are set. Making the chip is the easy bit.

gprs? you mean gps no?
(gprs: a 9.6-14.4k data transmission sent from any processor-based machine).
gps;global positioning system,(or was it sattelite?)
well...you get the picture

Your correct, just added an "r" to see who was watching.....but, I get the picture.
Its all about tracking, monitor and control.

The following story idicates how a chip in a mobile can be used for transactions. This is the start of softening our attitudes to accepting a chip and a cash less society.
Phones can be used to triangulate our position when in between phone masts or using GPS to pinpoint the user via satelite.
New smartphones, made using microsoft software make it possible to carry huge amounts od data.
This is changing the mind set of "joe public" to accept a chip instead of cash which is also capable of a lot more.

Technology - AP

Sony, Carrier Join on 'Smart Card' Phones
Mon Oct 27, 4:06 PM ET Add Technology - AP to My Yahoo!


By YURI KAGEYAMA, AP Business Writer

TOKYO - Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news) (news - web sites). and Japan's top mobile phone carrier, NTT DoCoMo, plan to cooperate in developing a system that will allow people to use their cell phones to pay for train tickets or buy items in stores.


They plan to create a FeliCa Networks joint venture, to be set up in Tokyo in January, that will develop a new chip that integrates mobile phones with smart card technology developed by Sony, the companies said Monday.


The smart cards, which have an integrated circuit chip embedded in them, can communicate with special equipment that allows card-owners to pass through train station gates or make payments at cash registers in stores.


Sony will be a 60 percent investor in the 6 billion yen ($55 million) venture, and NTT DoCoMo will invest the other 40 percent.


NTT DoCoMo plans to test the service with 6,000 mobile phones in December in Japan, and handsets with the technology will probably go on sale here by the middle of next year, officials said.


NTT DoCoMo has scored success in Japan with its Internet-linking mobile phone service called "i-mode," which has 40 million users. People use i-mode to look up train schedules, exchange e-mail and download pictures.


"DoCoMo (news - web sites) is credited with changing the cell phones of the world with i-mode," said Sony chief executive Nobuyuki Idei. "The joint venture features the unique combination of Sony and DoCoMo."


Sony's FeliCa smart card technology, developed in 1988, is widely used in Japanese train systems and is also used in Hong Kong.


Promoters believe the FeliCa technology has the potential to grow into a global standard, and NTT DoCoMo said it hopes to offer the service overseas.


The main source of revenue for the joint venture will come from licensing fees, and the company does not expect to make a profit for the first few years, said venture president Soichi Kawachi.


The system will be made available to rival carriers as well as service providers and other companies, officials said.


NTT DoCoMo Chief Executive Keiji Tachikawa told reporters he would like to see the technology become a standard feature in all DoCoMo phones.


"The joint venture is the first step into the future," he said.

i dont think anybody with sense would even accept the chip...

id cards yes.. i dont think much of a fuss would be kicked up by the non conspiratist's over id cards with fingerprints retinals ect ect on them..

i just cant see anybody with sense accepting the chips though..

I would certenly kick up a fuss having an ID card with retinal scans and finger prints. If I lost my card I would have lost a unique id to me. Who can possibly underight the loss of my identity. Lose a credit card and you get a new one, with a new number. The old card can be stopped.
Lose a card with your finger print or retinal scan, you might as well cut your finger off or poke your eye out. A card with these details can be used by villan tomorrow or 40-50 years later. The only way you could prove it's not you, is to have the finger or eye removed!!

The worst thing I can think of by creating this argument against id cards with finger prints and retinal scans, is that it strengthens the call for an implant, as this can't be stolen.
If you agree to that you have lost all freedom.

Originally posted by LAW
I would certenly kick up a fuss having an ID card with retinal scans and finger prints. If I lost my card I would have lost a unique id to me. Who can possibly underight the loss of my identity. Lose a credit card and you get a new one, with a new number. The old card can be stopped.
Lose a card with your finger print or retinal scan, you might as well cut your finger off or poke your eye out. A card with these details can be used by villan tomorrow or 40-50 years later. The only way you could prove it's not you, is to have the finger or eye removed!!

The worst thing I can think of by creating this argument against id cards with finger prints and retinal scans, is that it strengthens the call for an implant, as this can't be stolen.
If you agree to that you have lost all freedom.

Very good point, I agree SSN is the only number that will every be given to me, and that was without my consint.

I wouldn't ever accept the chip.. I think its horrible that that family in Florida decided to have there kids chipped, who will be the first humans chipped commercially.