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In history generally has there ever been a World Order or is it the FWO?

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posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:22 PM
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OK so the answer is......................

You tell me, I dont believe the world has been governed that way yet and please if telling me state the Old World Orders name/s thanks and the reason for its demise (FWO).

As for now....

The problem today is that we are a fractured world society with so many different governments some ok some not. We have the UN but its pretty useless really and would go bust if not for the US. I'm pretty fed up reading all the NWO stuff not just on ATS but other forums as well. The world as far as i know has never suffered a one world government and the likelyhood is it never will in our time anyway. We cannot agree upon anything, too many cooks etc. So (sorry for the rant) get over it, stop bringing down the US, china, Europe, Middle east, the list is endless. They are what we have in place now. It would take a fundamentally world changing incident to unite this planet.

The NWO has a plan you say, wipe out 95% of the planet dont worry about the rest they are members. Nonsense, I for one if a world government came about would support it or at least give it a chance. Its like watching an episode of the classic series 'V'.

In my opinion, its like the total opposite of trying to bring the world together into a World ordered society. Look at Europe the EU had a chance to grow into a big state, answer NO. Russia, collapsed in on itself, even here in the United kingdom we are trying to fracture into smaller countries. Its almost like a secret organisation trying frantically to break up larger states into smaller ones. I wonder, have I found a new conspiracy, the Fractured World Order (FWO) man they are keeping us down.


And for my American friends the World means not just the US thanks.




posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:39 PM
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I agree with your post 95%, but I would say the country with the most strengh at the time seeks to rule all.

Look at the dynastys and empires throughout history i.ie. the Romans,the British and here lies my answer.

The difference is the world is so much smaller now than it ever was so it is causing conflict much quicker with different ideals clashing.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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There seems to be a misunderstanding about what the NWO is all about and what their goals are.

They do not care about a global central government. That is unnecessary and most likely would eventually fail, as mentioned above. The NWO will control everything that's important by operating behind the scenes, controlling the media (which controls public opinion which controls governments) and by manipulating the global financial markets.

The NWO doesn't care what form of government exists in which countries or who the leaders are. It doesn't matter. They will control them all invisibly, out of public view, behind several operational layers, with plausible deniability. And anyone who tries to unravel and expose the complicated interlocking strings of influence will be laughed at as a conspiracy theorist.

Several groups have already tried with some limited success. Look at the environmental industry and how they have manipulated the public.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 10:08 PM
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Hi guys,

post-WWII was known as The New World Order. So please don't think this is something new, it's just a regurge on old news.

There is no doubt about it there is a NWO coming; What, Why & Who is still to be discerned. But, world events are certainly playing out the scenario some have professed.

WWIII? Who knows what's to come, but I must admit things look bleak!

Regards

J



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 10:49 PM
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Democracy is a sham.....Communism the same....dictatorships don't matter.

Its ok being the power behind the throne (so to speak) but to what end, what is the so called goal (long term). I don't see the logic, the super rich are terrified of the poor topling them or is it just twisted people getting their kicks on power. Are they power junkies or control freaks.

One thing, to have a new world order you need to get rid of the old world order, true? Has this happened yet (WW2) or is it still to come (WW3)?

The real power is money.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by dave_54
There seems to be a misunderstanding about what the NWO is all about and what their goals are.

They do not care about a global central government. That is unnecessary and most likely would eventually fail, as mentioned above. The NWO will control everything that's important by operating behind the scenes, controlling the media (which controls public opinion which controls governments) and by manipulating the global financial markets.
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Hey, you're describing our world, aren't you?

So, would you then agree that the NWO is our current power structure and what we see in terms of 'globalisation' and unrest as well as all too obvious disinformation (think 9/11) is already the decline many people love to preach about - collapse from within just like the USSR?

Interesting, but i'm not sure we're really seeing the final decline, it's more like a prewar situation, imho.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 03:48 AM
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Munro-DreadGod,

"The world as far as i know has never suffered a one world government and the likelyhood is it never will in our time anyway."


Not trying to be a smart ass but i can think of at least two governments that ruled most of the known world at the time.

faq.macedonia.org...

www.britannica.com...

www.ucalgary.ca...

Could probably add the British empire to that of Alexander the Great and the Roman Empire.When you take into account the tyranny of distance and the problem of communication in those times it is amazing that those empires lasted as long as they did.But of course in the end they crumbled as would any attempt at a world government imo.I agree, too much to watch/control, there will always be those who do not believe what they are being fed(this site for example proves that point) and a new form of terrorism/civil unrest will ensue eventually bringing down the govt.Anarchy in the purest sense rules.Long live the Sex Pistols.



posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 05:27 PM
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Not meaning to ruin your idea but your talking superpowers not world rulers.

China has been a power since before the romans, persia, others always balanced big empires. The british empire was balanced by other european empires some almost as big, Spain for one. So no true one world ruler yet!!!!

I do admit i could be wrong but it does not come to mind what empire spanned and ruled the whole globe.



posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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It is the unseen, not that which you can see, feel or taste.

It goes way beyond borders between countries, superpowers and heads of state.

I agree with people like Icke (well apart from the reptiles) and Jones that the NWO is about:

- creating a single global government
- creating a world army where the dividing line between law enforcement and army are gone
- creating a single world currency, preferably cashless
- control of the micro-chipped masses
- knowing who you are, where you are, what you are thinking and why you are thinking it
- And... changing what you are thinking using spoon fed spin stories

Why?

Control is power, power to unleash plagues upon the earth to control population growth
Control is eliminating the opposition without resistance from anyone
Control is extending life and happiness for the 13 elite bloodlines on the top of the Illuminati Pyramid

Sounds like facism? Who do you think funded Hitler before and well throughout WWII?
Who brought Nazi scientists to America and change their public records to keep them?

Bingo.



posted on Feb, 19 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Sounds too much like a bond movie storyline.

I agree about power, however 13 bloodlines don't cut it. China/russia/india/pakistan/japan/europe/N.America/S.America/ M.East their are too many different ideologies on the go at the same time. Biggest at the moment being Christian v muslim problem. All the different countries are playing chess moving pawns etc.

In time this NWO of yours has had several opportunities to bring about a change. The first and second world wars, the british empire, etc. But they never, why?

A NWO to me would be a checkmate scenario, which for the moment escapes me. But you are welcome to your idea and it has areas that are quite plausible to me.



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by Munro_DreadGod
13 bloodlines don't cut it. China/russia/india/pakistan/japan/europe/N.America/S.America/ M.East


Let´s see:

1) China
That would be The Li Bloodline

2) Russia
That would be The Rothchilds Bloodline And possibly the Van Duyn´s-

3) India and Pakistan
That would be The Rothchilds Bloodline again (Britain)

4) Japan: Li bloodline

5) Europe: Merovingians

6) Americas:
Rockefeller, Astor, Bundy, Kennedy and probably Collins

Overview of all bloodlines

I admit I haven´t looked into this as much as I should have done, but all those who hold true power can be led back to one of these 13 bloodlines.



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 04:07 AM
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And do you have any proof they meet up?



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 06:08 AM
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If I ruled the world...

You would never know.

I would control the corporations by putting my friends on the board.

I would create interdependence between countries. Such things as having a Chinese corporation controlling a U.S. port. Or having a U.A.E. corporation control 6 U.S. ports.

Corporations would be the way to do it. They are legal entities with no citizenship. If the leader of a country did not bow to the privatization of the country's resources, I would initiate a coup.

I would set up one language that would be taught as the business language. Then the companies can operate around the world with extreme efficiency.

I would set up different alliances in the different areas of the world. The alliances wouldn't seem to get much accomplished because they aren't supposed to. I would set up something like a North American Free Trade Organization. Set up a EU alliance. Set up a Far East alliance. They would not be allowed to accomplish much because they would need to look weak. The main world alliance would need to seem utterly useless. Why? Because I already control the world financially through the corporations. When I'm ready to set up the One World Corporation it will be welcomed.

I would also set up things like a lending institution that would take over the currency for any particular country. By taking over the currency I can put that country in debt forever. For smaller countries I would just give out loans and advice that would put my corporations in control of that countries resources. Smaller countries are easier to overthrow anyway. Just create a cover story and send in some peace keepers. Pay a few thousand people to protest and get the news in there so people think the good guys saved the day again. I would call my financial arm something nice sounding. Like the International Monetary Fund. Doesn't sound evil at all.

The politics will be easy. With the money I have from my corporations raping the land and people, I can pay off anyone. And if they refuse, they won't be around to worry about. I would have a crack team of grassy knolls on a hair trigger in case anyone refused to pass the laws helping the corporations.

I would have so much smoke and mirrors, few people would be able to see the overall design. They will not see the true scope. And if they do, they won't believe it. Just look at all the straw men I set up. They will say look, these straw men are weak. There is no NWO. The world is fractured beyond repair. All the while my corporations will be taking over.

Oh wait, someone already said it better than I could...

I do not know the original source. It was in at least one ATS thread I know of. I'll put an external tag on it anyway.



An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their
perception.

Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the
connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring
suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing
the changes as they occur.

We will always stand above the relative field of their experience
for we know the secrets of the absolute.

We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and
secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while
pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle
ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in
food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will
promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will
feed them more poison.

The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths,
they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.

From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal
this information.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them,
in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they
can see far.

We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images
and musical tones.

Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to
push our poisons.

They will see our products being used in film and
will grow accustomed to them and will never know
their true effect.

When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood
of their children and convince them its for their help.

We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will
target their children with what children love most, sweet
things.

When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals
that will kill their mind and steal their future.

When their ability to learn has been affected,
we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other
diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they
come to us for help, we will give them more poison.

We will focus their attention toward money and material goods
so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract
them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may
never be one with the oneness of it all.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say.
If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology
into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within.
We will own both sides.

We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.

They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure
always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding
themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.

When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule,
or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.

We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their
conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long
as we see fit.

We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they
cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is
accomplished.

We will continue to make them live in fear and anger
though images and sounds.

We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labor.

We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.
This they must never know!

They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always
think they are not equal.

Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.

We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total
control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little
freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever,
keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a
different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment
in our favor.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for
they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.

We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them
eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe
false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of
these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth.
They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.

For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles,
but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive
the light and travel the stars.

They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind
will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus
on it until its too late.

Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they
are our slaves.

When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them.
This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion.

When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.

Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established
from time immemorial.

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY
MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall
have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has
fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down
and no person shall give us shelter.

This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present
and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life
spans.

This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from
heaven to earth came.

This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER
be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release
the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths
from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself.



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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How do we know aliens are not masquerading as the government, a that we only have a sense of freedom but never actual freedom.



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 08:31 PM
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Feudalism, or varieties of it, are considered the old world order. Lord/vassal relationships, of one form or another, have been in place for much of history. From tribal leaders to daimyo/samurai, to lord/peasant, they're all the same basic relationships.

The New World Order would have to be markedly different from that to be genuine.

Hope this helps. I see a lot of people making a terrible mistake, they think they know more than they actually do, and this leads to a certainty about their own rightness that is disturbing and dangerous.

[edit on 25-2-2006 by WyrdeOne]



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 10:38 PM
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I think the lizards run the whole show and the human elite are their underlings.

Whether one sees NWO or OWO or FWO etc, it is always a shell game to keep the rest of us confused.

The aliens will want us all dead so that they can replace us with a new model that is more manageable when they all arrive here to take over.



posted on Feb, 26 2006 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
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The aliens will want us all dead so that they can replace us with a new model that is more manageable when they all arrive here to take over.



I agree that someone at least tries to run the show, with varying success, but i doubt aliens would jump through all the hoops just to get rid of us. There must be more to it IF extraterrestial civilisations are indeed involved in our affairs. i have too little data to tell for sure either way, but i agree that we should always keep aliens in mind, be they hostile, curious or inadvertedly involved in a story we don't quite see because it's right in our face.



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