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More Americans Trust the UN than trust Bush

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posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 04:09 PM
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According to a Gallup Poll, more Americans trust the United Nations to deal with the Iran Nuclear Crisis than trust the Bush Administration.

There are two possible conclusions that can be drawn from this. 1) Americans still believe that there is value in an international organization of nations, and/or 2)Americans don't really trust the Bush Administration to solve a complicated crisis in the Middle East.

Here's a link to the Gallup Poll, but it does require a free subscription to access: poll.gallup.com...

Notwithstanding the widely held belief among many in ATS that there is danger of a one-world-government turning us all into worker drones lunching on soylent green, I'm wondering how the free thinkers of ATS look at this issue. When I was in High School a few decades ago, I was pretty sure that by the turn of the 21st century conflicts between nations would be addressed by some form of international body that could mediate, decide on the best course, and then act to enforce its decision. I also believed that there would be an International Criminal Court that would prosecute evil leaders who commit crimes like mass murder or invading another country without being attacked.

I'd like to know where you stand on the issue of internationalism. Is there any value to having any sort of international council of free nations to discuss issues that affect us globally? If you believe that Belgian troops are massing along the Iowa/Michigan border, you are respectfully invited not to participate in this discussion. Yes, I know that there is no Iowa/Michigan border, but just try explaining that to the Black Helicopter crowd.

Or, like the current American administration, do you believe that multinational corporations and their inherant goodness and generosity obviate the need for such a body of free nations.

The next question is "What's a free nation?" and then, "Is anyone here old enough to remember when the US was one?" but we'll save those for another day.



[edit on 2/16/2006 by vuoto]




posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 04:19 PM
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vuoto, this is small victory for the PNAC. They're wish of course is for Americans to become so disgusted with Washington's leadership that the general populous virtually demands the intervention of the U.N..This poll is a commissioned specific response sham. That wacky Bill Kristol. Oh!, Leo Strauss would be so proud. May all their sadistic hearts fail simultaineously!



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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I think that a better statement would be that more Americans hope that the UN will deal with the Iranian crisis instead of Bush. As far as a trust issue with all the corruption in the current UN body there is no way I would want them in charge of the office coffee money. In Theory a world body to oversee the worlds crisis and keep everyone playing nice is great. Problem is you cannot remove the human element that drives absolute power towards the evitable corruption as is being played out in the UN today.
Personally I think the 9/11 highjackers would have done us a big favor if they had flown into the UN building as well!
Unless humans go through some great evolution where we all grow up mentally and become
enlightened to the joys of brotherly love and concern for our fellow humankind, then nah!



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM
In Theory a world body to oversee the worlds crisis and keep everyone playing nice is great. Problem is you cannot remove the human element that drives absolute power towards the evitable corruption as is being played out in the UN today.


I think that you could call in "pot", "kettle", "black" here. The same could be said about this administration. In reality what I think it means is that if the UN is in charge of this, "something might happen." If the US is in charge of it, "Americans are going to die."

Maybe Americans are getting smart to the PTB.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 07:54 AM
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It's a sad day when anyone trusts the UN to do anything.
It's a corrupt cesspool. The Security Council is the worst.
Annan is a mess. The whole thing needs to be flushed.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:03 AM
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No way.

I HATE Bush but I HATE the UN even more. I trust the UN about as much as I do Bin Laden or Iran…


Any American who even remotely pays any attention to news would NOT agree with your Gallup Poll results.


[edit on 17-2-2006 by skippytjc]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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What I want to know is where/how did they come up with the Gallup poll results? I know of no one who trusts the UN. Granted not too many people trust the Bush administration, but thinking that most Americans trust the UN more is crazy.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:34 AM
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Frankly, I don't trust either parties.

Bush Admin is bent on global domination whereas UN is nothing more than a social gathering where leaders meet up to joke around about real issues.

That's my view.

In this case where the issue is Iran nuclear crisis, I have to say let the U.N do their job or whatever the hell they do. If the U.S takes matters into their own hands than all be damn because definitely military action will be taken.

Hey, wait! U.S is part of the U.N--U.N Security Council, one of the major players in U.N!!

The poll is meaningless then!!!



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:39 AM
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This just shows the "brilliance" of those being supposedly "polled".

More propaganda from the Bush hate crowd. I am so tired of this insanity, it will get america nuked and these idiots will still blame bush then scream at fema for not feeding them during nuclear winter............



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:59 AM
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I entirely agree with the results of the poll.

But not for reasons of "trust."

See, I think there is definitely a problem in Iran. I think their president is a psychopath who is only interested in creating problems.

That said, I'd MUCH rather the UN deal with it. Why? Well, if the UN deals with it and it goes as well as Iraq is going at least I won't have to hear about the hideous United States for years to come. And quite frankly, after 2,000+ deaths in Iraq I don't think we need to send more people to die in Iran. Let the UN build up a nice group of people and deal with it their way. If their way works better, Great!!! Less people will die. If their way does not work better, well hey, at least it's international.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 09:20 AM
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I totally trust the UN to deal with Iran more than I trust Bush to deal with them! Look how he finessed Iraq! I would trust Britney Spears to deal with Iran more than I'd trust Bush after his uninterrupted string of clusterfumbles.


Originally posted by thermopolis
More propaganda from the Bush hate crowd. I am so tired of this insanity, it will get america nuked and these idiots will still blame bush then scream at fema for not feeding them during nuclear winter............


And you're going to blame the anti-Bush crowd when we get nuked instead of placing the blame squarely on those who have had complete control of the governmental reins for the past 6 years?
That's rich!



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
It's a sad day when anyone trusts the UN to do anything.
It's a corrupt cesspool. The Security Council is the worst.
Annan is a mess. The whole thing needs to be flushed.

Genva conventions and human rights as well then.
NPT as well..
Or mabye we should go back to WW1/2 style diplomacy?
Things CERTAINLY are starting to look like that again.


Ram

posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:14 AM
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We need a new age folks.

Better explosives and smarter weapons to deal with all this.

Oh my God what is happening?

Can't we just forget the whole thing - shake hands and be over with it?

Does it really matter?
Give them the Oil - who ever cares.

Yea - it's a valuable Planet.. Let go of it - no one own this... Not even UN USA - China owns anything.

We are all floating in space - on a giant dirtball...In all it's beauty.
Who can demand to own such a big thing?
You know - we are all on the wrong side of the road.. It's night and the bus has no headlights.... We had a little drink.... And now we argue who shall drive the bus?
And while we wait for a decision - the bus slightly runs out of course.. Into a situation we can't possible handle while drunk.

The bus is our fate...It's our minds.


We have been driving this bus for a very long time...It's is an very old model... And the stearing is very unstable...
Why don't we just stop the engine and get out... Have a look around you... Wake up.

Half way around the globe are some people in need... Where is our love for humanity? Is it burried under the ruins of the world trade center? Our loved ones... Those who died...In the rumble.

We all went into a trance... When Bush entered the scene... A mighty God spoke through him.... A Mighty God.
They all went to church the days after 911 - we could see it on TV - and some of us cried for humanity....

One day our humanity died... It became hard as concrete. It cost alot of money for USA. And even today it cost more and more....

Do money grow on trees in USA?

How do you make all that money?
Gambling? Casino... Weapons?

Oil? Cars?

how?

But i wouldnt let UN do the killing - i think we allready had enough.. And i don't give a damn who takes charge of anything...

No one should. I think many people are getting sick of all these games...We play. But we are trapped.

Is anybody out there?? (pink floyd)



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:53 AM
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Ha, another fine example showing that you can get any result by changing the question around. Most Americans do not trust the UN, however I like most Americans would like the UN to be useful for once and do its job and resolve the Iran issue. This doesn’t mean that I trust them more then Bush. The UN is corrupt, ineffective, and useless, it either has to drastically reform itself or dissolve, because right now its just one huge center for bureaucracy with a lot of talk but very little action.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM
I think that a better statement would be that more Americans hope that the UN will deal with the Iranian crisis instead of Bush. As far as a trust issue with all the corruption in the current UN body there is no way I would want them in charge of the office coffee money. In Theory a world body to oversee the worlds crisis and keep everyone playing nice is great. Problem is you cannot remove the human element that drives absolute power towards the evitable corruption as is being played out in the UN today.
Personally I think the 9/11 highjackers would have done us a big favor if they had flown into the UN building as well!
Unless humans go through some great evolution where we all grow up mentally and become
enlightened to the joys of brotherly love and concern for our fellow humankind, then nah!


I agree 100% with this statement .

I was going to write a lenghty post on this Topic , But i think this statement is right on target .



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I totally trust the UN to deal with Iran more than I trust Bush to deal with them! Look how he finessed Iraq! I would trust Britney Spears to deal with Iran more than I'd trust Bush after his uninterrupted string of clusterfumbles.


Originally posted by thermopolis
More propaganda from the Bush hate crowd. I am so tired of this insanity, it will get america nuked and these idiots will still blame bush then scream at fema for not feeding them during nuclear winter............


And you're going to blame the anti-Bush crowd when we get nuked instead of placing the blame squarely on those who have had complete control of the governmental reins for the past 6 years?
That's rich!


LOL , you would trust the NWO , I mean the UN ,
where china serves on the Human rights commission . talk about pissin in the wind .



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 11:29 AM
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I don't trust either. However, I do think Ahmadinejad is a lunatic and would use nuclear weapons against Israel and/or the US if he could. I think I'd prefer the U.S. to deal with it... if they do it properly.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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WHOFLUNGGUM:

Personally I think the 9/11 highjackers would have done us a big favor if they had flown into the UN building as well!


Wow, wishing death on people? Maybe the 3000 who died in the Twin Towers weren't enough? You think it would have been a GOOD THING if they flew into the UN Building too?

Might I suggest that you are a total worldclass arsehole? A scumbag of epic proportions?

I'll take the warning as well. You have said plainly that you wish that the UN had been hit as well, causing more death and destruction.

It sounds very much to me like you are 100% advocating a terrorist attack. I probably ought to email Homeland Security like a good little drone, and in fact I believe I will. So yeah, good luck. If you're innocent and it was just an offhand statement you'll probably be okay, right?

Here it is again if you missed it:


Personally I think the 9/11 highjackers would have done us a big favor if they had flown into the UN building as well!


I think you are a dangerous person and maybe even a real threat to the lives of people at the UN based on your above statement.

Bye.

jako



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM
Problem is you cannot remove the human element that drives absolute power towards the evitable corruption as is being played out in the UN today.

Correct!

With a Little Correction:

Problem is you cannot remove the human element that drives absolute power towards the evitable corruption as is being played out in the USA today.

Because that is whats its ABOUT - the Corrupton of US current Goverment and its Illegal Prison Fascilities, Located in Cuba - and also in Iraq, Afganistan and Eastern Europe.

[edit on 17/2/06 by Souljah]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 04:03 PM
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Wow, talk about an over reaction Jakomo
It probably wasn’t even a serious comment.

Also Souljah, you think the US is corrupt?
Do you know who is on the UN’s Human Rights Commission? It includes such all stars as Egypt, Niger, Sudan, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Cuba. Former accomplished members of the council have been Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Vietnam and Algeria. Nice panel if I do say so myself



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