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posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 02:43 PM
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Currently, the so called "holy leaders" are all rapists. If it's not little boys it's nuns, and if it's it not Nuns it's the people of their money to pay for covering up said rapes of boys and nuns.

Now this was probably covered before, but I wasn't around then, I went through the pages and stopped at page 4 before I decided to make this new one. I know this sounds like church bashing, and it would be, if it wasn't true! But I can't believe how little attention is spent on the Nuns who are raped, then FORCED to get ABORTIONS by THE CHURCH!!!! I understand in Africa they are the only ones without AIDS, but uh, a priest shouldn't have to worry about that as he isn't supposed to have SEX!!!!! Sadder yet the Higher ups in the CHurch support/cover it up! You'd think they would clean the dirt off their Robes and come against this, instead they spend billions to cover it up, either hush money to victims and/or moving said priest to a place that he hasn't raped anyone, yet.


And before anyone jumps on me for what I said, here are links...

Pregnant Nuns in Africa(Used that term in Google)
WASHINGTON - As U. S. Catholic priests returned from the Vatican in Rome recently to discuss the problem of sexual abuse of children by priests, little attention is being paid to reports of sexual exploitation of nuns in Africa by the church's clergy.
www.sacobserver.com...

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican (news - web sites) acknowledged
Tuesday a damning report that some priests and missionaries were forcing
nuns to have sex with them, and were in some cases committing rape and
forcing the victims to have abortions.
members.tripod.com...

VATICAN ADMITS
PRIESTS RAPED NUNS,
FORCED ABORTIONS
mikeblume.com...

More...
www.natcath.com...
www.calltoaccountability.org...
www.priestsofdarkness.com...

Money spent on covering up rapes
transcripts.cnn.com...
www.boston.com...
www.pbs.org...
www.aztlan.net...

And more things on how messed up the church is
www.biblebelievers.com...

[edit on 16-2-2006 by John bull 1]

Mod edit:Changed distasteful title.

[edit on 17-2-2006 by TheBandit795]




posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 02:51 PM
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Sorry, does this post serve any purpose other than to offend Catholics on the board? I don't really see a point or any commentary other than inflammatory.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Marid Audran
Sorry, does this post serve any purpose other than to offend Catholics on the board? I don't really see a point or any commentary other than inflammatory.


Anything that contradicts a person's set of beliefes is inflammatory, unfortunately these sorts of occurances are a real problem. Of course some people will be upset, but it doesn't stop it from being true in which case it doesn't stop the fact people need to know about it and act on it.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 03:37 PM
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Why don't we say that this is primarily in Africa and is based on their race or nationality? I am not saying that is the case - and in this case it isn't the whole church.

Also, his (her) post didn't really take any kind of stand. It was just posting atrocities.

How about if we follow it up with something like -

Based on this and other sex scandals within the church perhaps it is time that the Catholic church consider allowing marriage for clergy which would, presumably, give them a healthy outlet for those urges.

Or maybe something along this line:
In light of all the church scandals maybe they should require priests to be castrated.

Or how about:
With the UN sanctioning and hiding cases of sexual abuse in africa and now the church, perhaps there needs to be some kind of oversight committee or world police force focused on Africa.

Some kind of point to spur discussion other than just bashing Catholicism.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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Not just in Africa, someone needs to read the links... It also happens in America, UK, Canada, everywhere!!!!!!!!!

ANd you should be offended! Your holy leaders not only do this, they then cover it up using your money you gave to them! You think that money went to help some one poor or hungry, when it goes to a priest who just got done raping a nun in NYC and is now being moved to Buffalo. I would be pissed my money that I thought was going to a good cause was being used to move a rapist to a new area to rape new people. Unless you actually go on the trips to the Dominican Republic to help build homes, church's, schools, so forth, your money is probably being spent on moving a rapist from one town to another.

Yes I have gone on said trips, our church goes every spring to help build new buildings, help with everyday needs like growing food, so forth. Of course we are Methodist, not Catholic, but I am sure some Catholic Church's do the same thing.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 05:50 PM
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This has been going on for a long time now and has been compounded by the fact that the Vatican has made it a habit over the years to send deviant priest to places like Africa and the Amazon basin so they can continue their crimes without being caught.

Well the secret is now out and hopefully these guys will no longer have places to hide. To quote Robin Williams: "its not just a sin, it's a felony. So we have to keep track"

It also shows just how desparate the Catholic church is for priests that none of these criminals are defrocked (Cardinal Law got a promotion!).

As far as castrated priests - eunichs cannot be made priests. funny how you have to have the tools, but never use them, to be a priest. See the example of Peter Aberlard and what they did to him



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:49 PM
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I agree, something must be done about these priest and it is up to the people who consider themselves catholic, along with every one else, but especially “real” catholics, to not turn a blind eye and ask questions and to get these kind of people out of there churches. I my self was once a catholic, but it was events such as these, and other less significant events that made me leave the church, also that many who attend them are hypocrites. What I’m trying to say is that this should not be allowed and those who participated and helped to cover up such horrific atrocities, regardless of when, where, why, or how, should be punish to the full extent of the law!
(FYR)



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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The hypocracy of many catholics combined with the general less-than-pious priests I have gotten to know over the years has eventually steered me away from practicing catholicism. I still maintain some contact and their resouces have been valuable tools in my research, but today I see the Vatican a a source of beautiful art, archetecture and history, but not as my source of salvation.

The fact that "friends of friends" who happen to be cardinals just treat their position like any of us treat our jobs (when around other clerics), then act like the reincarnation of St. Francis when in front of the laity really turned me off.

These priest and cardinals know who the creeps are but don't tell anyone - unless you know someone and then they will say something cryptic like "oh, you don't want to send your kids to that school.."

Malachi Martin once wrote about Satanism in the church, but what many of his friends felt he was talking about is rampant pedophilia and other deviant activity he witnessed in the church that was slowly becoming the majority as the "good" priests die off.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Marid Audran
Based on this and other sex scandals within the church perhaps it is time that the Catholic church consider allowing marriage for clergy which would, presumably, give them a healthy outlet for those urges.


- RAPE isn't a 'healthy urge'.
- There is no such thing as a healthy outlet for rape urges.
- Celebacy does NOT cause homosexuality.
- Celebacy does NOT cause pedophilia.
- There is no 'healthy outlet' for gay rapists.
- Even if a person with gay rape urges was married, that
wouldn't stop him from following through on his deviance.
See all BTK info ...
- Ditto the above for 'straight' rape urges.


Frankly - the title of this thread 'Priests love their nuns, literally'
is the most pathetic title on an ATS thread I've seen in a long time.

- Priests, or anyone else, who rape are not 'loving' anyone.
- Priests don't have 'their' nuns. The nuns aren't 'theirs'.

I'm sickened that one would play with the words of 'rape' and
'love' ... disgusting. Not only that, but the rape of those nuns
in Africa is VERY VERY old news. I have serious questions as
to WHY this is being brought up now and in this manner.




[edit on 2/17/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 02:10 PM
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"As U. S. Catholic priests returned from the Vatican in Rome recently to discuss the problem of sexual abuse of children by priests, little attention is being paid to reports of sexual exploitation of nuns in Africa by the church's clergy."

Maybe it was old news, when it first happened, but then it happened, again, OUT OF AFRICA. Also it's like saying the raping of little boys is old news because it has been happening since 1960's, yes it has, but it also happens today, in 2005, same with the Nuns.

And sorry if you feel offended about the title, I figured "Priests Rape Everyone" would just get a bunch of

"You are bashing us! Just because the ones who don't rape cover up doesn't mean all rape! Even if they are raping the people of their money to cover up their buddies rapes, and you provide credible links, and the church has admitted all they do is rape people one way or another, it is still Bashing!"

So I went with something that would catch people's attention without sending them on a rant without reading anything. SOmething that gets them to read links provided instead just saying the above.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by DevinS
would just get a bunch of "You are bashing us!

You are. Your motives became clear here with your link and comment


- And more things on how messed up the church is
www.biblebelievers.com...


Just more fundamentalist anti-Catholic regurgitated Jack Chick
tractisms which belong at tribfarces.com.

That, combined with the title you used - using 'loving' instead
of 'rape' ... and that bad tag that was removed that said
priests and nuns were 'getting it on', when in fact this old story
was about RAPE by men in power over women ...

all that combined says that yes indeed, this is nothing more
than an anti-Catholic pumping out old news, insulting women
all around the planet by calling rape 'loving' and 'getting it on',
not to mention that pathetic anti-Catholic fundamentalist link
... ugh ...


This is sick on too many levels to even begin to diagnose.
It'll take a lot of one-on-one time in the office of a trained
professional.

I won't be back on this thread.
The stench of it makes my stomach sick.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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Sorry, does this post serve any purpose other than to offend Catholics on the board? I don't really see a point or any commentary other than inflammatory.


I think it is information that needs to be known and something needs to be done about it. If the church has covered up the abuse and rape of altar boys for centuries....do you honestly think they wouldn't do the same thing regarding raped nuns? The catholic church is a mess and always has been!



Based on this and other sex scandals within the church perhaps it is time that the Catholic church consider allowing marriage for clergy which would, presumably, give them a healthy outlet for those urges.

Or maybe something along this line:
In light of all the church scandals maybe they should require priests to be castrated.


Rapists that aren't priests can marry. Does that stop them from raping? NO! So your point makes no sense.

I do like your second thought here though. Either allow priests to marry or castrate them. I would vote for either one.



Some kind of point to spur discussion other than just bashing Catholicism.


Stating facts and documenting said facts is not bashing.



[edit on 17-2-2006 by Excitable_Boy]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 06:58 PM
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To get a perspective on this:

* this scandal has been going on for at least as long as priests have been forced into celibacy.
* let's not all leap on the Catholic church for this. Rape occurrs in Protestant clergy (who are able to marry), in laypersons, and is often violence directed against the most powerless (women, who are usually legal property rather than persons under the law) by the more powerful.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:39 PM
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Ok Byrd, but with Protestants do they use the money people donate to cover it up? Do the higher ups not only know about it but either do it themselves or make sure the victims stay quiet while they move the rapist to somewhere else? Also, with all the rape going on you'd think the Catholic Church would run out of places to send the rapists. DO they get a list out and go....

"Ok we had a nun rapist at this church but not a little boy rapist, while a little boy rapist was at this church but not a nun raper, so lets switch the two preists so the nuns at this church can have a break from being raped and being forced to have an abortion while the little boys here can take a break from being molested every sunday."

How do they even think of protecting them!?! One would think that the second a non-rapist got this information they would go to the cops or something, instead they spend money donated to them by the people to cover it up. Heck, makes one want to convert to Judaism, never hear of Rabbis raping alter boys or nuns, the Jewish version of them, if they do have something like that. Or heck, at least in Islam you may burn a flag or two but ou won't be molested by whatever they have. Oh speaking of Islam...

"My brother was so fat it took two bombs to blow himself up!"



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by DevinS
never hear of Rabbis raping alter boys or nuns, the Jewish version of them .... at least in Islam you may burn a flag or two but ou won't be molested by whatever they have.


I said I wouldn't be back ... but this type of ignorance demands
one last post in an attempt to educate. (fat chance though)

This is just SOME of the information available. SOME. Try reading
a newspaper once in a while. Pedophiles are everywhere and in
greatest numbers where children can be found - especially the
SCHOOL SYSTEM. Try googling sexual abuse of children in the
schools. That will keep you busy for a while. If you really want
to complain about sexual abuse of children, the incidence is
MUCH higher in the schools. Or do you just like bashing the
Catholics?

Many of the incidents around the country aren't reported here.
For example - the former minister of Trinity Baptist Church in
Madison Alabama - 10 - 15 years ago he was caught running
around Huntsville AL while naked under a trench coat, flashing
people. I know this because it I lived in Madison, went to church
across the street from his, and read about it in the newspaper
for ONE DAY - it was hidden on the back pages. (whereas any
Catholic doing the same was put on the front page)

Read and educate yourself.

www.reformation.com...
reformation.com...
reformation.com...
reformation.com...
mypetjawa.mu.nu...
socrates58.blogspot.com...



www.catholicleague.org...

PROTESTANT, JEWISH, and MUSLIM men in positions of power, or
spiritual power over women and what they do to those
women and children – (do what I say because I'm God's
messenger and if you don't do what I say then you are
bad and going to hell, everyone else here believes that
so you should too - that's spiritual power) - EXCERPT -



In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact
with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister
who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner. [xiii] In the
same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found
that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted
to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member.
The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent
of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior. [xiv]

In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health,
Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers
said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent
admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner. [xv] Two years later,
a survey by Leadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers
confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior”
with a parishioner. [xvi]

In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern
Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual
behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such
contact with a parishioner. [xvii] Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book,
Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of
all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate
touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.” [xviii]

According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in
Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific
proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of
ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly
40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.” The
report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the
rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for
physicians and psychologists.” [xix] Regarding pornography and sexual
addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all
ministers are involved in the behavior. [xx]


Ministers, especially Southern Fundamentalist ministers, are in
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etc. etc. ministers. Same with the Lutheran and Methodist
ministers in the Mid-West.

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[edit on 2/18/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 08:33 AM
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It may be ignorance of some aspects but it does not change the fact that this still happens. Funny how some will stand by and pretend that there is no way that their religion is doing such things yet when some unknown pedophile does it then it's a different story. The ones that most people are supposed to trust are the ones screwing you...literally.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 08:52 AM
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I have no doubt these kinds of things have happened(s). To say ALL is immediately what I would consider an extremely ignorant statement. ALL priest are not gay/rapists/pedophiles or whatever. That is like saying all black men are gang members.

There is so little denying ignorance on ATS at the moment. It is more like finding sensationalist stories from dicey websites as "proof"

I am not catholic, though I have been to Catholic Mass before. Sorry, just not buying "ALL" priests are raping their nuns and forcing them to have abortions. Not even buying MANY of them are. I would say it is a rare occurance that has happened.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 01:57 PM
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I didn't say All preists rape nuns, I said all preists either rape nuns, little boys, or the people of their money to cover up the preists who do rape little boys/nuns. Yes only what, 25,000 priests rape little boys, while a few more rape nuns, so 50,000+ raping people, then the others raise the money to cover it up. Do you think the church prays to God for the money to fall out of the sky? No, they say "Oh we are raising money to help these people, please donate." Then when they get the money they spend it to move a priest from a church where he raped a nun/little boy to a new place to do the same. Why they don't spend that money on getting the priests defrocked I'll never know.

Also, FlyersFan, nice to see you again. Also, David Icke, isn't he the guy who said he traveld back in time, the Bush family is all Reptoids, and that Reptoids are based at the airport in Denver?

Also, with schools, you know what the difference is? A teacher is PUNSIHED! The school board doesn't raise money to move the teacher to a different school to rape more people, they fire his/her! Unlike the church who either move or promote the rapist. Sorry, good try though, but while yes pedophiles exist in schools, unlike the church they are punished. Hell teachers get punished for showing explicit films, unlike priests.

FlyersFan, it isn't that all groups have pedophiles, it's that unlike the Schools, or from your info the Jews, the church covers it up/supports it! They don't punish anyone, they either move them or promote them! Of course, seeing how a former NAZI is the Pope I don't think these people are good at making choices.

And to your flasher, uh, there is first of all a difference between Flashing and RAPING people. Second there is the thing that he was punished wasn't he? The paper reported it, people found out, he got in trouble. Unlike priests, who get moved to a new place to rape new people. You see, all your stuff is flawed as you leave out one critical part, the others are punished, the priests are moved/promoted for raping people.

There are more pedophiles in the church then there are in NAMBLA!!!!! Oh I love that! Heck, there are more pedophile priests then there are members of NAMBLA, so the statistic is flawed, since there are more pedophile priests then members of NAMBLA of course there are more pedophiles in the church then in NAMBLA.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 02:11 PM
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Rape is rape. The fact that it is a Catholis priest?...Does it make it worse?

Lets replace priest with any other name...father,brother,Rabbi,Imam or whatever. This post would then have NEVER been made.

Please just announce your rabid anti-catholic feelings openly and you will be taken more seriously.

It is okay to hate/dispise/not trust the Catholic Church. Any organization with power is assumed to have that power illeagally or improperly.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 04:50 PM
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Well dif. between Priest and others is that a Priest isn't supposed to have sex period! Not only that the church has spent more then a 1000 years killing people for being sinners when all they are is sinners. How can they say all gays are going to hell, all blacks, Jews, Arabs, liberals, whatever, are going to hell for being evil sinners when they are the ones who are committing acts of evil!

Slavery? They supported it.
Seperation of blacks and white? Again they supported it.
Hitler? Well, the priests who baptized Jews to keep them alive were defrocked. That's right, a priest uses his powers to save people, defrocked, rapes little boys and nuns, promoted/protected.
Don't even get started on witches, druids, arabs, medicine, science, technology, and all the other atrocities the church committed in the past.

Why is something that is supposed to be the definition of good, holy, greatness, so evil? At least the worst my minister ever did was get caught speeding. That would have been good to see since the police officer was a member of our church. But guess what? Did he weasel out of it? Did he cover it up? No, he paid the fine, and even joked about it in the sermon that sunday.




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