conservative with my goods...
and liberal with my givings...

let them eat cake...
but lets sustain enough cake for those that dont want it just yet...

only,

LOL, you my friend are an NDP supporter right?

I'm conservative on moral issues (ex. no to abortion, same sex marriages etc.) I want a strong military (cause I'm in it, the pay raises are good to me). I want responsible, not restrictive, gun laws. I want the govt. to help the people more. I don't want them interfering in businesses. I want the govt. to preserve the freedoms our Founding Fathers inked out. I don't want the destruction of nature for profits. So what do you think I am?

Sounds like your an American to me!!!

It is good to know who is who because then they cannot hide behind their agenda when their is debate.

I hate people that do that and pretend that they are arguing based entirely on merit. Everyone has an agenda to some extent, the better person can admit to it while the weasels hide it IMHO.

Only the time-place-circumstance can reveal it.

& that's not a cop out answer
today i'm sated with food & drink
the gas tanks full
provisions are stored & secure
my ancient PC is still hobbeling along
all is generally, right with the world
T*O*D*A*Y...but what about tomorrow??

causes & circumstances may dictate a new outlook!
situations might arise that need a liberal measure
desired outcomes may best be attained thru strict views

right now i'm a conservative,
on the DRAFT thread i'm liberal, anti-war & draft.

perhaps, as one alluded...being both, as in androgenous <--(unsure of spelling)***is that a bad thing???***

ya know, the whole human family is continually choosing sides...whats scarey is that what once was conservative-->becomes fundamental-->.becomes extremist.... and the GULF between the extremes widens

muslims->islamic jihadists-> zealots->?? al madhi army
christian-> moral majority-> crusaders->?? techo-nukes

at the correct time, i pray, i will choose/align/commit correctly....after all, some say- all is illusion!


[Edited on 8-10-2003 by riffraffalunas]

i am conservative
but sometimes i have to disagree with them.
i really kind of dont like demoncratics

Originally posted by Colonel

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Well, as I believe that the principles upon which the country (U.S.A.) was built is the right path, I'm a conservative.
Constitution, Bill of Rights, K.J.V.
God, Guts and Guns.

Thsis country wasn't built on conservative values. (You cons don't appear to be that brilliant). It was built on liberal ideas Check and balances, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, these things were radical liberal ideas at the founding of this country. Hate to bust your bubble again,

You haven't burst anything but the zit between your eyes, pal. The liberal movement doesn't even stem back that far, and the government didn't even have any programs for which you freaks to tax the workers to operate. As a matter of fact, there were very few "workers" back then, most people were self employed, self sufficeint, rugged individuals. All this goes against the core principle of liberal values.

TC,

so true but then look at what liberalism has done to the education system,

the average young person has no sense of history anymore.

the now republican party was then the democratic party, and vice verse...

yes most americans have and unfortunately dont want to change a wellfare state of mind...

who am i to judge i am a pretty rich soul but i have paid for it with the sacrifices i have taketh...

People that like welfare like it because they think they are beating the system eg. getting something for free.

Originally posted by THENEO
People that like welfare like it because they think they are beating the system eg. getting something for free.

How about this NEO. Why don't you turn 16, move out of your daddy's house, stop driving your momma's Nissan Maxima, get a job, pay some taxes and donate some time at a homeless shelter! Visit a halfway house and see people who really need help. Go and interact with people who have lost everything and can only feed and cloth themselves with monetary help.
Then look in their eyes and tell them what you just posted to all of us...I'm sure they'll appreciate your candor and wisdom.
In the meantime I think you need to turn your playstation off and turn your heart on, moron!

There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse

[WARNING! You are in for a rant. If you want to skip over my neurotic words of passion, go to the bottom of the post. Thank you for your time.]

Well, I know I speak for myself when I say

who cares?!

Who cares what political grouping you're with? Who cares who you'd vote for or what animal represents you? Who cares if you are left wing or right? WHO CARES?

I say this because it's all just so stupid in the end! Life's too busy to worry if the guy next door will vote for Al Sharpton or not! There's just too much to do to worry if you're liberal or conservative, when all that should matter is that you believe what you believe and stand by it, no matter how much it comes under fire.

This is why I respect Illmatic and Colonel; not because of the fact that they are liberal, but because they are liberal and will stand by that no matter what! They may get on my nerves, but they are strong people! This is why I respect TC, not because he's a liberal-bashin', Bush-huggin' republican, but because he's a republican and he doesn't care what people say about it.

It is not for other people to criticize about beliefs, or even to care about them. Furthermore, i don't even see the need for such classifications! All it does is divide people needlessly, when what we need is a unified country with many voices shouting out what they think is right, and someone to make sure that every one of them is heard. The US is too divided. The time is coming when we will be defeated because we dwell on differences that are so trivial that they don't matter.

We need to become united. We need to make sure that we are united under one cause, the cause of preserving our place on the planet. We will be unified under these words:

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...

and with these words we shall defend ourselves against further division. Politics is just the stage for big, rich men to argue about who is right and who is wrong, nothing more.

But if ya want the straight forward answer, I'm a right-leaning centrist.

Signing off,
HLW

[Edited on 10/11/03 by High_Lord_Warrior]

As I have said before, i am neither, and find being a member of a political party suited to those who widh to be led.

Power to the people...
Socialist

I am niether, yet I am an extreme of both sides.

On the conservative front, I support gun ownership and rights, tougher penalties for criminals, am against welfare, govornment buerocracies, less taxation, less social engineering, and more individualism and self determination.

On the liberal front, I support unions, legalization of Drugs, prostitution, abortion, improving schools (but not thier way), environmental issues, developing clean energy sources, seperation of church and state, civil rights for American citizens regardless of race or gender, and the preservation of American jobs.

I also have issues that niether party enspuses, i do not know what end of the spectrum they fall under.

I support American isolationism and withdrawal from world affairs, which niether party seems to support.
I support free speech, which niether party supports.
I support freedom of religion (yes, even for those obnoxious christians, so long as thier religion stays out of politics, law and govornment functioning, even those rodents should have the right to practice thier religion). Unfortunately, both sides wish to abolish one religious freedom or another.
I support the right to free thought, and freedom od association, which both sides deny.
I support an end to predatory capitalism and favor a more sane form of capitolism that has REASONABLE limits. Niether party supports this, not even the liberal democrats do, within reason.
I support the freedom simply to exist and run ones own life as they see fit without a persons vices, beliefs, or habits being taxed, outlawed, or criminalized. Niether party supports this.

Thus, Im niether liberal nor conservative, and find no quarter in either side.

I am strongly opposed to: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Democracy (America is NOT a democracy, nor has it ever been), Dictatorships, Theocracies, Technocracies, Monarchies, and the like.

I support a form of govornment where the govornment is forbidden to expand, and any laws affecting the basic contistutional rights of the citizens cannot be passed, and the govornment is forbidden from any interenece or attempt to regulate the activities of citizens or thier personal behavior, beyond the basic victims crimes of murder, rape, theft, fraud, child molestation, assault, and direct and malicious harrassment. basically, a govornment thats only function is to rpovide a military, a postal system, limited infrastructure such as federal roads, and the like. The actualy regulation of say, environmental issues, education, ect would be in the power of the states. the states would have the responsibility of thier own regulation, so long as it does not violate constitutional rights and policies, they can enact basic extra laws, such as environemtal protection.

Thus, i ahve no spot to be in. the cloest i come is to the Libertarians. But even they go to far, as they do not believe in regulating alot of things, and support child porn and NAMBLA, so I cant stay in thier camp long.

Im just an evil elf, thats all.

Man has the right to think what he will, dwell where he will, say what he will, trade what he will, create what he will, love as he will and travel the earth as he will.
Man has a right to kill those who thwart these rights.


All apologizes to Aleister Crowley.

Originally posted by High_Lord_Warrior
[WARNING! You are in for a rant. If you want to skip over my neurotic words of passion, go to the bottom of the post. Thank you for your time.]

Well, I know I speak for myself when I say

who cares?!

Who cares what political grouping you're with? Who cares who you'd vote for or what animal represents you? Who cares if you are left wing or right? WHO CARES?

I say this because it's all just so stupid in the end! Life's too busy to worry if the guy next door will vote for Al Sharpton or not! There's just too much to do to worry if you're liberal or conservative, when all that should matter is that you believe what you believe and stand by it, no matter how much it comes under fire.

This is why I respect Illmatic and Colonel; not because of the fact that they are liberal, but because they are liberal and will stand by that no matter what! They may get on my nerves, but they are strong people! This is why I respect TC, not because he's a liberal-bashin', Bush-huggin' republican, but because he's a republican and he doesn't care what people say about it.

It is not for other people to criticize about beliefs, or even to care about them. Furthermore, i don't even see the need for such classifications! All it does is divide people needlessly, when what we need is a unified country with many voices shouting out what they think is right, and someone to make sure that every one of them is heard. The US is too divided. The time is coming when we will be defeated because we dwell on differences that are so trivial that they don't matter.

We need to become united. We need to make sure that we are united under one cause, the cause of preserving our place on the planet. We will be unified under these words:

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...

and with these words we shall defend ourselves against further division. Politics is just the stage for big, rich men to argue about who is right and who is wrong, nothing more.

But if ya want the straight forward answer, I'm a right-leaning centrist.

Signing off,
HLW

[Edited on 10/11/03 by High_Lord_Warrior]

A bit brash High Lord, but pretty much on point.

The key word within your diatribe was "Divide." This is exactly the intent of our two-party system, as well as most of the double-talk rhetoric our society is fed through our current media, etc. I firmly believe that there is intelligent design behind much of the confusing crap we are expected to believe these days.

Hopefully, more will awaken to this. Unfortunatley, I think its gonna take a powerful slap in the face before we get off our apathetic, lazy asses and take the country/world back from the people we pay to keep us in such disarray.

[Edited on 17-10-2003 by Baerwolfe]

And don't give me that Socialist crap, I'm not a commy and I don't want anarchy!!!

All I want is a fair, decent society where regardless of your birthright we should all have equal opportunities in this great country.

I'm tired of the exrtreme right telling me what to think, what to do, where to do it and who to pray to.

As an aetheist who feels religion is the number 1 reason why we have strife, war and hatred in this world, I don't want some hypocrite bible thumper trying to tell me how to live my life or how to raise my children.