WAR: New Abu Ghraib images broadcast

SBS TV, Australian TV channel, aired new images of abuse at Abu Ghraib. One Video shows an Iraqi who is clearly suffering from "mental issues" becoming a "play thing" of US troops. The Iraqi has one hand handcuff to a steal door and is having his head hit against it.



This morning i saw the footage, and i will not post the video or photos due to its disturbing content. One does not clearly understand how American troops can turn a mentally disturbed patient into a "play thing".

You have to question the troops behind this and why they would act in such an unprofessional way. I doubt this is the "American way" and clearly a small number of troops have given the US a bad name. The White house is not going to take this news pretty well, more unwanted attention.

British troops were filmed beating protesters which is cleary wrong, but i still cannot understand why a disturbed patient would become a play thing for American troops.

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Got an idea here...

But why not turn these abusers over to a war crimes trial...
let the iraqis torture THEM and kill them when they are done...

Order refusing, stupid, sociopathic soldiers... I dont want them on Americas team... so why not dump them on the iraqis?

It would also serve as a warning to OBSERVE THE LAW, no matter who is behind the bars... it is called humane treatment... and if we dont administer it, then we are no better than the people we claim to want to stop.

and if this turns out to have come from further up the ladder, then they should round them all up, and ship them to their new home... The Hague

BTW... I am only going by what i hear the actual veiwers say about these... the pics are still too slow to load...
update: Just looked at some on BBC... but there seems to be one video that was possibly tampered with... (the others dont look as bad as has been said)

The video that shows a "mentally unstable" iraqi bashing HIS OWN HEAD AGAINST A WALL...
that very same scene was commented on the original site, but they said it showed a US soldier doing the bashing... did someone make the soldier and hand disappear, so as to make this look self inflicted?

who knows... until we all can see the pics, we can only guess.


[edit on 15-2-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Yeah I just saw these shocking and appauling pictures on my local news.. It's a disgrace.. I believe the word A*&$%@E should be carved into the foreheads of the people doing the horrible things..

So much for the Bush saying that the Ban on abuse is in place.. he probably gave the order himself..

Ugh.. It makes me sick to my stomach to know that there are people out there that would do this to another living breathing being..
And to know that these people are husbands, brothers, daughters, etc and that they are there supposedly protecting our country and the world..

This isnt protection.. It's terrorism.. And these people are barbarians

While these images are shocking to say the least my question is why have they only just been broadcast? This is an old story. As for the doctored video, whats to say it was not done the other way round and the US soldiers hand put into it to stoke up the flames that little bit more? Find the source and you will find the reasoning.

I personally believe this is just more anti US propaganda relaesed to coincide with the video of british troops beating rioters. That was a load of old bull as well, we've all seen images of how police forces deal with rioters around the world, take India and Pakistan where rioters are beaten into submission by police weilding bamboo canes.

If you throw stones and petrol bombs at any soldier expect to get a good kicking if they get hold of you. Get a grip how would you deal with it? Sit them down offer them a nice cup of tea and tell them there naughty boys?

One Video shows an Iraqi who is clearly suffering from "mental issues" becoming a "play thing" of US troops.

The reporter clearly states apparently mentally ill not clearly as the author stated implies. One can only assume that the author is not a medical specialist and obviously has not had heard or read about Rule 17 of their training manual. (That might be rule 18, but you get my drift, the author is clearly putting forward something that is not confirmed.)

Seeings the media have reported the person as suffering from mental illness and was showing clear signs, one does not see how this is bias..

..if this news was about another country, not America, would it still be bias?

Seeings the media have reported the person as suffering from mental illness and was showing clear signs, one does not see how this is bias..

The media does not state anything about clear signs what they said was apparently and they most certainly did not mention anything about being a play thing did they?

Their training manual clearly says they should always claim they have been abused. Now I ask you what better way to claim abuse then to bang your head a few times to leave some marks?

Oh and I also left out some of those photos appear to be duplicates of those released when this issue first surfaced. Must have been a slow news day down under


[edit on 2/15/2006 by shots]

The reporter clearly states apparently mentally ill not clearly as the author stated implies. One can only assume that the author is not a medical specialist and obviously has not had heard or read about Rule 17 of their training manual. (That might be rule 18, but you get my drift, the author is clearly putting forward something that is not confirmed.

A video of someone repeatedly beating his head against the wall doesn't suggest someone who is mentally ill?

On Sunrise this morning they were talking about how they chose not to air the pictures or footage, they claimed that it might incite more racist hate and riots. A muslim leader also agreed.
They said that there is no point airing them because the people in the pictures have already been punished.
I think that's stupid because other people in the news that were punished awhile ago or a long time ago, they still pop up every so often with pictures of them on our TVs.

I have to question the motives of the paper who released these pictures. This is 2 years ago! I think this is just a ploy to rile and piss off the Middle East again. I wonder if the paper is owned by Rupert Murdoch...
Then we might have a twisted conspiracy on our hands.

I thought the original statement of "being a plaything" was described as a soldier handcuffing him and then bashing his head against a wall/door...

They make it sound like the injury is caused by the soldier...
but in the pic, there is no soldier shown holding or touching him...

Did they photoshop the soldier out of the pic, or is it another example of "forming an incorrect picture" by the media...

Also... as i said before... the pics that the BBC is showing are actually less offensive than the originals...

at least in these, not many faces were shown, and only one example of blood (on a butt) was shown... and it looked like welts from rubber bullets...

I am still thinking that there are much worse ones that are not being shown yet, but maybe this new "release" will appease the public...

I have to question the motives of the paper who released these pictures. This is 2 years ago! I think this is just a ploy to rile and piss off the Middle East again. I wonder if the paper is owned by Rupert Murdoch...

The first set of pictures or the ones that just came out?

Because the one's that were published this week were released by a government funded TV/radio station.


[edit on 16/2/06 by D]

The ones that just came out. Folk have been punished over the abuse and it should be case closed really. I must question the motives behind the release of these photos. Sure, it may be from a government funded source, but the person who runs that government, John Howard, are apparently close friends with Rupert Murdoch. Perhaps it's to steer attention clear away from the British beating up the wee Iraqi boys? That would probebly give Rupert's other good buddy, Tony Blair some bother, especially when he's pushing anti-terror legislation really quickly. How do you bury a bad story that is causing you harm? By bringing up an old one, with more horrific images. It's funny that most folk haven't noted the quick disappearence of the British soldiers beating up the Iraqi boys.

Well war sucks...its not pretty and its not glorious or noble or honorable...its crude, evil and violent no matter doing it. I hate to say it but the first images out didn't surprise me and these don't either. When you demonize an opponant, like muslims in general after 9/11, and Iraq under Saddam (or how we have been portrayed as well of course) it is easy behave as if the other side isn't human. It is not just us, it is how war is always conducted. When any other country behaves like this, we aren't surprised but, the issue is we are the ones who claim that we are better than that. Thanks to the presistant and overwhelming retoric that we are somehow more noble and that our causes are more just, these photos highlights our failings all that more clearly. This administrations penchent for secrecy hasn't helped matters either. Bush might as well call Karen Hughes home and let her retire to Texas, we lost the "hearts and minds" of the Arab world a long time ago and nothing that we have done, or should I say everything that we have done since have only gone to reinforce their hatred of us. The notion that a public relations campign could somehow win them over now is laughable and shallow.

The EU/UN heat is on to shut down Gitmo and other detention camps, hence the media torture blitz. Also this propaganda attempts to circumvent any sympathy for an Iran attack by reminding those of past atrocities.


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•Bad Publicity Puts Pentagon on Defensive
•Rumsfeld Aims To Elevate Role Of Special Forces
•Rumsfeld Rips UN Over Gitmo
•Rumsfeld Pushes Media Front in Terror War
•Selling War against Iran



Backroom deals in the making and will be interesting how this unfolds.

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•Tories thaw relations in Washington
•Iran: What to do?



[edit on 18-2-2006 by Regenmacher]