America. Love it or leave it. Well everyones leaving.
Levi left. AS if you didnt know. They only had 2 more factories left and now their closed. Everyones laid off.

All the factories are closed and by my estimation. We are now the worlds leading producer of Drugg addicts. I live in Maryland. I went on a trip to PA and I heard on the radio that mining town had a major drug raid. Why would any sane person WANT to live here.

All the cars made here now are pure grade a #. We used to make really good cars. Now there full of electronics and all kinds of crap you cant work on yourself. So the governmetn can push a button and all the cars will #ing die.

This 77 years old life expectancy is a joke. With Aids and Drugs I realy dont see how the life expectancy could be more than 30. The US is the biggest lying sack of crap, when it comes to putting out numbers on inflation, deathratesor the multi trillion dollar deficit. One day the deficits gone. The next day is back. No onr buys this crap.

Politicians. Ruaaia has what 25,000 nuclear weapons. If their smart they have them all pointed at washington DC. These representatives, Represent stealing, smoking, drinking and whoring around. Youve all read the figures on stealing stamps, DUIs and dumping bodies in the potomic. They ever find out who killed that intern? Was it Chessie the lockness monster. Just more good old compasionate conservative republicans.

While %1 of the country drives around in their new SUV and talking on the cellphone. The rest of us our dying from cancer, paying bills from the hospital and wearing cloths full of holes. WE dare not charge one thing more on the credit card. Even a pair of underwear and give corporate America another dollar earned from the sweat on our brows.

Its a #ing joke that in the "most wealthy" country in the world, we subsidize third world countries and bomb the rest with Billions of dollars in war machines. While homeless people push shopping carts in the streets. Most cities are outlawing homelessness. As if its some kind of crime to be poor. Paid for by your tax dollars.

Even if you dont have a job, health care or food. Expect to get yoru taxs. If you dont pay them you will soon be homeless.

Other countries like Canada are moving to number one in quality of living. While the US slides to number three. Yup the US. The nations with probably the largest number of educated, hardworking God fearing people is becoming a 3rd world country. Because our greedy government is stealing everything and throwing it away. Weve become a disposable society with a disposable government full of disposable people and disposable incomes.

God Bless America.
Love it or leave it.

Now here me sing my new future national anthem.

Ohh canada, my home and native land.
True patriot love in all thy sons.

# this country, # this flag, # the politicans, the taxs.

No wonder other countries hate us. I hate US. We used to be the greatest country in the world. Now we are just a bunch of fat, lazy, ignorant selfish greedy drunken people.

God bless America.

[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Toltec]

Originally posted by websuspect
No wonder other countries hate us. I hate US. We used to be the greatest country in the world. Now we are just a bunch of fat, lazy, ignorant selfish greedy drunken 'n-word's.

God bless America.

No you didn't just write this here!

*Grabs a cold beverage, sits back and wait for the $hitstorm thats sure to come*

WHen I say (editied), I dont mean black people.

I mean the general human crap, white black, hispanic and whatever.

let nme just clarify that. I cant really find an accurate word to describe just how ingorant the average American is. I think we can all agree that Americans are pretty ignrorant.

As if hearing the word (editied) on the radio 50,000 times a day. Hasnt desensitized me enough to it. I know that yeah while some black people are (edited) not all (edited) are black.

[Edited on 4-10-2003 by websuspect]

[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Toltec]

web,

hey man let's make a deal.

I want to go to US and you want to come to Canada.

Lets trade places!

Where do you live down there?

I live in Toronto and I want out man. I want to go to a country where people actually believe they belong to something.

Originally posted by websuspect
WHen I say (edited), I dont mean black people.

I mean the general human crap, white black, hispanic and whatever.

let nme just clarify that. I cant really find an accurate word to describe just how ingorant the average American is. I think we can all agree that Americans are pretty ignrorant.

As if hearing the word (edited) on the radio 50,000 times a day. Hasnt desensitized me enough to it. I know that yeah while some black people are (edited) not all (edited) are black.

[Edited on 4-10-2003 by websuspect]

Dude WTF are you talking about? There are better ways to make your point besides calling people the "N" word.

[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Toltec]

Well, my first question is why the # are you still here?

Let's review: You're in a country you hate. Using that country's resources to connect to a website to splooge your hateful # about the country that created the resource for you to be able to do that....hmmm. Go some place else.

Now that your problem is solved can we move on to something meaningful...like why you're either to unintelligent or maybe unmotivated to figure out how to pack your own bags and get out of the cesspool that's tormenting you?

Valh,

funny that about socialists, they only hate their own country and of course ignore every other cesspool in the world too.

no offense to the person that started this thread, I only chalk it up to misplaced teen angst aided by ignorance and inexperience.

otherwise I would have serious concerns,

but then again look at what socialistic teachers are putting into their heads these days...

You are the type of "person" that gives HUMANITY a bad name.

I want to be VERY CLEAR here, there are times that I simply attack the "theory" NOT the person, I am most definately ATTACKING the "person" (dare I use that nomenclature for one such as this?) in this instance, and if I get warned all the BETTER!

GET THE # OUT OF MY COUNTRY.

Levis left for business reasons (cheaper labor costs and NO California socialism) NOT the LAME BULL# you quote here...

Dude, everyone on this board from America I beleive LOVES their country, that's why they are so passionate about its ills. YOU on the other hand are total scum.

You use the "N" word and then attempt to say you don't mean it, you are scum. GO AWAY, I served this country and there are young Men and Women sleeping ina #ing tent in the desert right now who are SERVING this country while YOU are bitching because you are a lazy slob who never educated himself or took the initiative to make yourself marketable and earn an income... # OFF!

That's it, said all I want to say. Bring the warnings on I understand...

PEACE...
m...

Websuspect,

You have shown your true stripes here. Guess what. Canada doesn't want you. Mexico doesn't want you. Hell, I doubt North Korea would take you.

If you want to find out what is wrong with the U.S., look in the mirror.

copcorn,

not sure about Canada anymore, this isn't the country that I grew up in, gettin' too left wing for me frankly.

wish there was more people here like you and springer. At least you have the guts to defend it even if it isn't perfect.

it is a copout to reject it because it isn't perfect IMHO.

Amen Neo..... Never throw in the towell.....

Now why the hell couldn't I come up with that sheer BRILLIANCE in three sentences?! Damn! You NAILED in a paragraph and it took me three! Three that this peice of feces wan't WORTH!

PEACE To YOU and YOURS!

m...

Originally posted by websuspect
WHen I say 'n-word's, I dont mean black people.

And you are very right to distinguish the difference: Even though the term (edited) is used as a racial slur by a lot of people, its actual, *official* definition is, "a stupid, ignorant person". Notice that there's no "racial" slur there...Only an *intellectual* slur...


Don't get me wrong about what I think of the US though; I love this country & it's people.
What I hate is what the banks, the politicians & corporations have done to it by proliferating ignorance & misinformation, glorifying greed & civil oppression and driving the whole population (except themselves, of course) into irreconciliable levels of debt based upon an economy that has no value behind it.


[Edited on 5-10-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

[Edited on 5-10-2003 by Toltec]

i like america just might not like the way it works

i see the truth in his lies and the lies in his truth...
and there are some very true points in his post as well like the criminalization of homelessness...

87 bil to war but not its people thats pretty ignorant on many levels...

america though was not created without any of those same factors that you mentioned...

even in the time when polls stated we were very content all of those issues were still visible...

and now the web unfolds, and those who were are no longer...

well fear not and have the only thing you can in this physical body, faith...

it is sad how now the world sees america for what it has always been...

and it was founded on the backs of slaves, so on the backs of slaves it will be unfounded...

yet, as it brings peace in my heart that things are...
it brings joy that things will not always be...

I understand where websuspect is coming from as I often feel very much the same. I also do not condemn him for such ideas, especially if he is young. Also if he is infact young he isn't stupid or ignorant but in fact quite intelligent and observant in seeing the corruption in this country that most do not. Not to mention I can understand the perspective of young people being born into a repressed, destructive, world, while being lied to and fed a poor education just to find yourself helpless when and if you do finally see the truth. The older generations SHOULD have watched their posts better. Parents SHOULD have taught their kids what the truth was instead of relying on a poor public education system funded by a corrupt government.

HOWEVER, I would remind websuspect that true strength of character comes from standing your ground against the corruption instead of running from it. After all it IS your country, and being pissed off about the $HITTY condition it's in is certainly valid. Springer's passion to set the record straight is where the power "For the People, By the People" is found and needed if such changes are to become reality. That Passion sometimes seems void of Compassion while in reality it's not, but like websuspect certain ideas come across so vivid they shadow others. I could be wrong but I think if Springer and Websuspect were to meet with more time to discuss who they are and what they are about they might find out they are more like minded after all. Springer's Focused and Dedicated Direction might be the Constructive outlet and knowledge Websuspect's Youth and Angst are needing yet not finding. Just a thought, but what do I know....

The "Nigger" comment I also instantly identified as a remark not meant with Race intentions. Thankfully bigsage stepped up and added some merit to this. Nigger is a word that has become so commercialized in Movies, Music, Stand-up Comedy, Sitcoms, etc. that use of it today by younger people especially often doesn't carry the same meaning.

Stop the flaming and the profanity now please.

I want to apologize to everyone I offended by using the N word.

Im not a teenager. Im a 34 year old man with a college degree who is very offended about how i and other people have been treated in this country.

Im so angry that I don't have the perect words to explain what I and other people in this country are going through.

If theres a couple of Americans out there that love this country and would like to be disassociated from what is going on than Im going to remove you from this cesspool right now. Theres some good things in this country, which are the good christian people at the grocery store or any other hard job. WHo goto work and do their job despite the worst conditions. Every big company has pretty much left America and as I said we dont create things anymore, except maybe poverty and drug addiction.

To the people who live in Canada. I would say dont come here. The US is a lie. You have a higher standard of living in Canada and that is a fact.

To the flamers. I say live to be my age and you will understand what is really going on in this country. AS long as you are 20 years old and ignorant and work like a mule. You will have a nice job that barely pays the bills.

I would like to thank the person of color that came in to defend me.

To him I would like to say. America was built not only on the backs of slaves, but minorities, immegrants and poor people. It was bought by wealthy people and draged here ignorant, hungry and impoverished. America was forced to slave, white black, hispanic, mexican and jew to build tall cathedrals of captilism. America exists as a matrix of personal information, designed to still keep us poor, uneducated and slaves on credit cards. So that a few rich, whoring, greedy theiving, bastards like the ones that ran enron can make a few more billion dollars.

The only reason America has any damn liberty at all is because of faith in God, the statue of liberty and the few bill of rights people still perceive they have.

IF you love your flag and your gun or whatever realize this. They will be coming for all your guns pretty soon and that flag. That flag represents freedom and all that # but the flag... The flag represents each and every human indignition that America suffers. The flag represents talking on your cellphone will you drive your 11 MPG SUV. The flag represents every black, white, mexican, italian, Irish polish jewish kid that lives in a house with no heat, no food and no parents. WHile the Parents are out making $5 an hour to put food on the table.

You think the government is so great? You think the government is going to come to anyones house and check on them. To make sure each american is physically and spiratually nurished.

# no.

The governments coming to your house to make sure you paid your taxs and you dont have any guns. As long as you pay your taxs the government will own 50,000 nuclear weapons and it will be happy as long as it has the threat of nuclear annialition to hang over your mini wage slaving heads.

Here's my problem with your aingst.

We still live in the greatest, most free country in the world and enjoy the greatest amenities and opportunities the world has to offer.

If the changes that are taking place (and I agree I hate them like hell) make you so angry as to speak against your best option on this planet, then MOVE.

If anyone is of the opinion that you can stand up and scream "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more" and those in power are going to stop, have that deer in the headlight look and say, "Damn, okay, we'll play nice now", you're living in a mental utopia which does not exist here on planet reality.

Now, bein's we can't logically stop what is happening, the only next recourse is a militia-type coup. I for one, aint ready for that one. I'm too busy enjoy my life and liberties that have NOT been taken away. so I'm left with voting for the lesser of the evils laid out on the plate before me when elections come around...and not talking like I think my country needs to be evacuated via a global enema.

I just believe that if you truly are as twisted up as you say you are...you should research the next best place to live on the globe instead of making hyperbolist negative statements about the US. Things are going south, but their not near as south as you are stretching them.

Websuspect,

Your original post really pissed me off. The N-word had no place in the post. If it's bad, it's bad, no matter who uses it or for what reason. But enough of that.

In your recent post, I see the pain. And I understand. And, I stand by my provious statement, if you want to see what is wrong with the U.S., look in the mirror. Hell, lets all look in the mirror. The same thing applies.

The solution to everything you are pissed about starts at home. If you are concerned that people are homeless, go to a city council or county commission meeting and lobby for building codes that actually allow for affordible housing. We all know that it is the local government that sets the rules that make housing expensive. That's because home owners want their property values to rise as fast as possible. Educate your neighbors that this problem exists.

If credit card debt is an issue to you, pay them off and learn to live more simply. Do your best not to be envious of those that have more stuff. I am a little older than you and I am having to learn this lesson myself.

If you are concerned about gun control, teach someone to safely handle guns, get them interested in shooting. Gun control is enacted because most people don't know anything about guns. Go to the county commission and lobby to open a shooting range. If you have one, you are lucky, organize people to go clean it up. Help make non gun owners feel that we are not a bunch of fanatics.
Don't like SUVs and cell phones? Don't buy them. Buy a fuel efficient car and talk it up with your SUV driving neighbor. Hell, look into alternate fuel cars. I am.

Companies move out of the country all of the time. But look around. There are new small companies opening up all of the time. So many that it is very hard to keep track of them. Support the companies that stay. Buy their products.

Anger comes from the feeling that there is nothing we can do. The answer is quit being angry and DO SOMETHING. The fact is that little of what the government does is without our collective permission. Stop being angry and go out and change someones mind. There are extremists whose mind you cant change. Ignore them. Most people are constantly in the process of forming an opinion. Give them information. Most people aren't stupid, just uninformed. Educate. You are college educated. If not you, who?

Mostly, remember, America is mostly what you make of it. Government cant "give" you a good education. You have to take it. Government is not in the buisness of making sure you are physically and spiritually nourished, you are. If we insist that the government is responsible for us, we give them rights as well. If we demand that the government come into our house to check on us, we can't expect that they will only check on what we want them to. Quit handing over your rights.

Get involved, weed out local politicians that want to micromanage your life. Make it your job to improve this country.

You talked about what the flag represents. To millions of people in the world who are desperately trying to get into this country, it represents a chance to make a better life for themselvs. We are allready here. We have that opportunity NOW.

Don't throw in the towell. Don't stomp off to another place pissed. This place is worth saving.