Originally posted by Aris
Sure. If that were the case, I would agree. Seeing as how the events on the ground are nothing like the propaganda you are parroting, this comparison of yours is laughable.
No?
So all my information or "propaganda" ,you know that phrase gets thrown around quite a lot, is wrong and yours is right?
Okkk so you've been on the ground then and can tell me what REALLY is the tactics used by insurgents?
They are well documented. Even British commanders have highly criticized American tactics, stating that "the Americans think they're cowboys in the Wild West" and also that "the Americans consider Iraqis untermunschen", for eg.
Actually there are several british commanders who state so but there are also several british commanders who do not say this but wait thats not documented as much as the negative side so it wont reach the news....
No and I have no idea what you are yammering on about.
One news source from the "other side" implied that MI5 was training up suicide bombers in iraq, infact it had 1 whole person claim he knew DOZENS of people that where being trained!
That statement, standing on its own, clearly displays the simplistic way you seem to understand things.
Pot calling kettle?
Its true.
What you actually mean is that "sometimes you need to work with scum so you can pillage a sovereign nation's resources".
Your now choosing what I mean? Hmm suddenly discovered telepathy?
No what I meant was that sometimes you need to work with scum to make the world better.
Unless you think that we should have just bombed all the sides in serbian/bosnian conflict into obliteration and left only the "good" behind?
Every country? Really? And by the way, it's called "predatory neoliberal capitalism".
Really really yes every country is doing so!
Also neoliberal capitalism? Oh come on...
Nope. Well documented facts that are in the public domain. You really should step outside your bubble, it would seem.
Well documented facts?
How about proving those "facts" with some links ?
As you mentioned yourself, the Balkans were recently subjected to western imperialism.
WHAT! HA! We went in and stopped genocide!
Other than that, why bother doing much in Europe in the last decade when US military bases are already installed almost everywhere and they're still there?
Yes military bases such as a few in germany and two or 3 in britain? OOOOHHH I'm so frightened!
Well we could start with Bill Clinton himself who admitted to his country helping set up and financing the Greek dictatorship, providing intelligence for it etc etc.
Wasnt this the same man who lied on television and had an affair?
Not exactly a trusting man if he cant keep it in his pants?
A fact he formally apologized for, when he officially visited Greece while still President of the US of A.
So the actions of a president make the entire western world bad?
I was referring to Britain's involvement, during the 20th century in places like the Middle East for eg.
Yeah mabye you didnt notice but I did mention that bit too, but lets keep dragging those bones out?
Shall we go back to the begining of time?
Please do.
Fair enough, Next post I shall link you but I am needing to go watch soon.
0.1 of what?
0.1% Of what is actually happening on the ground.
That hundreds of thousands of them are dead, at the hands of the coalition of the dwindling?
I wont deny the above , that happened.
That the US systematically tortures them? Collective punishment? Destruction of their country?
Exscuse me? No one in iraq as far as I know is torturing anyone , if you didnt notice we're against that but wait no gitmo and that do conduct that dont they?
You seem to have this fixation that the US Air Force only has B-52s.
Actually I would say you are since you brought them into this equation if you want to change your facts after you state them go ahead.
Wrongo, Jacko. The Brits in Iraq, for eg, hardly use overwhelming tactics against the local population.
Ever read british field manuals or even done a section battle drill? No didnt think so.
Number 1 rule, once the fire fight has been won flank or directly assault the enemy with overwhelming force or tactics.
I'm defending nothing. We're debating various points and if you haven't noticed, I'm asking you questions as well. I make points with sources, you just toss out simplistic views without the ability to expand on them, never mind sources.
You are defending your arguement, you stated several facts that are not true and you cant prove.
Wow! The source is two whole months old! I never knew the Iraq War started a couple of months ago!
Well if I am not mistaken we are talking about now and not the past, except for falluhja and past wars (I dont know why you want to go back in time) , and frankly this data shows nothing.



