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Palestine needs to Back down with Hamas

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posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 07:49 AM
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The current situation that is brewing between Palestine and Israel will be a a dead end road if Palestine doesnt back down on its persistance of electing a Hamas official.

I have been a supporter of the recent pullouts, but feel that the issue with Hamas, and the imposing threat to Israel, is uneeded. Palestine needs to respect that Israel did not have to provide a pullout.

The insertion of a milatant regime into power seems childish to me. Its as though Palestine cannot understand their position. This was not a victory over Israel, it was a consolation for peace. Palestine is taking that olive branch and turning it into a position of leverage, which they will never win.

With Israel threatening to break off all talks, the only people that stand to lose are the Palestinians.

If they persist with the Hamas, election of officials, then by all means. Build the wall. Tighten the border. Israel has done what I think was a noble move. Its time Hamas bury their rifles, and catch up to the civilized world.

Peace

[edit on 15-2-2006 by HIFIGUY]




posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 08:48 AM
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There is a problem with your post.

Israel has not withdrawn from all of Palestine, only from the Gaza Strip.

There are still more than three million people yet to be liberated.

And the wall is not being built around Israel, it is being built around the Palestinians.


Gush Shalom



Rather than making peace Israel is making a huge land grab.

If you really understood the story, and understood that Hamas has offered a ceasefire for years and all they ask is that Israel withdraw from the land they took when they invaded in a sneak attack back in 1967, you might be sypathetic to the real victims; the Palestinians.

All they want is what is theirs, and they will end hostile actions.

They refuse to recognize Israel, but what is that other than words?

They are offering everything else Israel claims to want, but of course Israel wants more than they claim.

[edit on 15-2-2006 by ArchAngel]



posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
The current situation that is brewing between Palestine and Israel will be a a dead end road if Palestine doesnt back down on its persistance of electing a Hamas official.
[edit on 15-2-2006 by HIFIGUY]


I understand what you are saying, but on the other hand disagree with it completely.

The Palestinian people have elected their own government, by means of a democratic election, so how can you say that Hamas should back down, the people of their own country elected them!

George Bush, who is much more erratic and dangerous than Hamas, he was elected in as American President, but because of what America is, he isnt expected to step down.

What the western world has tryed to force on everybody, democracy, has just blown up right in their face, and its about time to.

People Power!

[edit on 15-2-2006 by Conspirator_101]



posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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Its funny how Isreal/US has policies against doing business with terrorist. I guess Dyncorp are the nice terrorist.


How do these people sleep at nigth ?



posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

sneak attack back in 1967


There is a problem with your post. This has been explained to you several times
Here's a quick summary of some of the major events leading up to the Six-Day War


Originally posted by ArchAngel

And the wall is not being built around Israel, it is being built around the Palestinians.


You are providing no serious source for the route of the security fence - the route you provided has never even been discussed by Israel, nor had it been approved.

external image
(click to get general information and the latest status report on the fence)


THIS is the route of the security fence as it looks in reality:



(click to enlarge)


Originally posted by ArchAngel

If you really understood the story, and understood that Hamas has offered a ceasefire for years



Hamas leader Mahmoud A-Zahar on Monday:




ASSOCIATED PRESS

"Recognizing the state of the Israeli enemy is not on the table," he said.

"Our program is to liberate Palestine, all of Palestine....The Qassam Brigades will continue to increase in numbers, supplies, and weapons...until the liberation is completed."

"Anyone who thinks the calm means giving in is mistaken.
The calm is in preparation for a new round of resistance and victory."


Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal this week:



Hamas Vows No Recognition of Israel

Speaking from the Sudan, exiled Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal told reporters,

'There will be no recognition of Israel and there will be no security for the occupation and colonization forces,'

Mashaal said at a rally in Khartoum. 'Resistance will remain our strategic option.'



And the fact that the Trror Organisation HAMAS neither recognizes Israel, nor disarms or accept previous agreements and obligations, is the reason why the U.S. cut all money to the PA



Rice Says No U.S. Aid for Hamas-Led Gov't

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed Congress on Wednesday that no U.S. assistance will be provided to a Hamas-led Palestinian government.

Rice told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the Bush administration would not turn its back on such humanitarian programs as immunizing children against disease.

But no money will go to that government, Rice said under questioning by Sen. George Allen, R-Va.

I don't want a penny of taxpayer money going to Hamas Allen told Rice.

Neither do I she replied.


And CANADA is the same:




Harper talks tough on Palestinian aid

"Future assistance to any new Palestinian government will be reviewed against that government's commitment to the principles of non-violence, recognition of Israel and acceptance of previous agreements and obligations," Mr. Harper said in a statement released after the phone call.

The demands are in line with a UN Security Council call for Hamas to commit itself to a negotiated settlement of the Mideast conflict.

Unless the conditions are met, Canada could cut off assistance to the Palestinian government, a Harper spokesman signalled.




[edit on 15-2-2006 by Riwka]



posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 05:38 PM
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There is a problem with your post. This has been explained to you several times
Here's a quick summary of some of the major events leading up to the Six-Day War


As has been explained to you and many others over, and over, anbd over, and over again it was a Sneak Attack.

You may not like the term but the fact is Israel launched a sneak attack when they bombed the Arab airforces as they sat on the ground.

There were reasons for the Sneak Attack, but there always are.

They did not stand up and say 'hey guys we're attacking now'.

Now quit trying to hijack the thread with your denialisms.

[edit on 15-2-2006 by ArchAngel]



posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by ArchAngel

As has been explained to you and many others over, and over, anbd over, and over again it was a Sneak Attack.


and Here is Seekerofs posting dt 12-12-2005 on page 4 of that thread:

  • define:pre-emptive strike
  • States have the right to make pre-emptive strikes on others
  • The Legality of Preemptive or Preventive Counterproliferation Strikes


    And here is a new video the Terrorgroup HAMAS aired in Februay 2006:

    Transcript:

    "My message to the hated Jews: There is no God but Allah," Idham Ahmed Majila says. "We will hunt you everywhere, when you wake and when you sleep.

    We are a blood-drinking people and we know that there is no better blood than Jewish blood."

    Maumin Rajab Rajab, the second terrorist, says: "By the life of Allah, we will destroy you. We will blow you up. We will take our revenge on you. We will purify our land of you, pigs, who have defiled our land. By the life of Allah, we will take our vengeance. We are carrying out this operation as harsh revenge against the sons of monkeys and pigs."


    (click on the picture to start the video)

    [edit on 15-2-2006 by Riwka]



  • posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 06:35 PM
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    and Here is Seekerofs posting dt 12-12-2005 on page 4 of that thread:


    Kerof is just another denialist like you.

    What does it take to get it through to you?

    Sneak attack, and Pre-Emptive are not mutually exclusive.

    You try to make it sound like it must be one or the other when it can be both.

    Pre-Emptive is negated by the continued occupation after the sneak attack.

    Since it was obviously an act of aggression the plea of being defender is false.

    Israel was the aggressor then, and still is today.

    Offer a solution for liberating the Palestinians instead of justifying their oppression with two generation old supposition.

    Do that just once.

    But you can't because what you want is ethnic cleansing.



    posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 07:02 PM
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    According to the laetest GALLUP Poll Americans symphathy for the Palestinian Authority dropped following the election of the Terrorgroup Hamas as the Palestinian Authority's ruling party.

    Most Americans do not believe the U.S. should give any financial assistance to the PA.




    posted on Feb, 15 2006 @ 08:44 PM
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    Hamas is recognized as a militant group to begin with..Israel has stated that they do not wish to negotiate with them, and to be honest, I can see why.

    It was elected by the people indeed, but at the same time, do you think Palestine wished to fuel the fire? Is this about reclaiming land, or putting pressure on Israel.?

    There was a Quote on BBC which from following the conflict, seems to explain the situation clearly.

    news.bbc.co.uk...

    " From my standpoint, it does not look like Hamas intends to give up its ideology regarding Israel's destruction, and it does not intend to recognise Israel " Shaul Mofaz

    I dont wish for Israel or Palestine to be backed into a corner. But at that same time, Palestine has to see that either the agenda of Hamas needs to change, or elect a less hostile representation.

    Peace



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