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posted on May, 17 2006 @ 01:28 AM
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Pakistani airforce chief in their recent visit





Simulator




posted on Sep, 27 2006 @ 01:14 PM
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apologies if this has been posted before
feel free to transfer if this isn't in the right thread

FC-1/JF-17 on YouTube



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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The FC-1 simulator at Zhuhai 2006





posted on Nov, 1 2006 @ 04:02 AM
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aha.............I have a bit the photo






posted on Nov, 1 2006 @ 11:45 PM
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Russia decides to supply Pakistan with fighter-aircraft engines
By Robert Karniol, Zuhai Air Show, China. Additional reporting by Ben Vogel, Janes.com Editor

PAKISTAN'S JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft will be powered by Russian Klimov RD-93 engines - a substantial change in position for Russia which had previously resisted giving Pakistan access to the engine.

Directly contradicting an earlier Russian position, a senior Chinese aerospace official has for the first time publicly confirmed that the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 (FC-1) under development will be powered by the Russian engine. The new position was supported by Russian officials.

Right now we are using the RD-93 [in prototypes] and it's Klimov who will do the series production [of the engine]. The engine will be exported to Pakistan," said Li Pei, development director at China's Chengdhu Aircraft Industry Group, which is leading the programme and also involved the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

Klimov mentioned that the FC-1, China's version of the jointly developed aircraft, is still undergoing "performance flight tests".

Russian diplomatic and industry officials had previously stated without qualification that the RD-93 powering the FC-1 will not be provided to Islamabad either directly or through re-export. Klimov had reiterated this position only a day before Li's statement.

Moscow is thought to have hesitated over any deal involving provision of its military products to Pakistan because of concerns centred on its long-standing defence relationship with rival India.

Klimov, in particular, is involved in a Russian bid to supply New Delhi with 126 MiG-29 fighters.

Li reversed this view of the JF-17 programme when questioned by Jane's at a press briefing organised by Klimov during the China Air Show 2006. He was flanked on the podium by senior officials from both Klimov and the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport.

If we don't sell [Pakistan the RD-93 engines] then someone else will. It's just a reality," said Klimov Director General Alexander Vatagin, in a follow-up comment. Oleg Novikov, a senior official with Rosoborenexport, reinforced the change in position over export of the engine.

"The process to [arrange the provision to Pakistan of the RD-93] is on-going," he explained.

"The export licence will be granted provided it doesn't contravene the export laws of Russia or China."

The Pakistan Air Force earlier this year told Jane's that it had received firm assurances from China that the RD-93 issue will not prove a problem despite repeated Russian statements to the contrary.


Janes.com



posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 03:01 AM
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yeah..
heard that one a few weeks back..
Note that the statement was made on the day of the show and the very opposite stance had been maintained till the previous day by Klimov.
so its all very hazy still..

But one can safely presume that the engines will eventually go to the Pakistanis.



posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
heard that one a few weeks back..


About the engines?


It was made in Zhuhai less than a week ago



posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 04:57 AM
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At an estimated 10 mil a pop the FC-1 is a good buy. God knows the PAF needs these a/c.

Could any of you (chinawhite, dd3) run a comparison the the JF-17 Thundaar (Thunder:puz
& the Tejas. You know, dry weight, payload, operational radius, max speed etc



posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by Daedalus3
heard that one a few weeks back..


About the engines?


It was made in Zhuhai less than a week ago


I didn't hear it at Zhuhai ..



posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 07:07 AM
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I just Loovve the tags for this thread!!



posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by puneetsg
Could any of you (chinawhite, dd3) run a comparison the the JF-17 Thundaar (Thunder:puz
& the Tejas. You know, dry weight, payload, operational radius, max speed etc


In this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...




FC-1
Specifications

POWERPLANT - RD-93 turbofans, 49.4kN dry or 81.4kN with afterburning
Hardpoints - 7
Maximum Speed 1.8M,
Service Ceiling 59,055 feet.
Maximum External Stores Load 3,900kg
Combat radius 1,200km
Main armament - SD-10 missile.

Has three 8"x6" color MFD



LCA tejas

Specifications
POWERPLANT - GE F404 turbofan, 48.9 kN dry or 78.7 kN with afterburner
Hardpoints - 7
Maximum Speed Mach 1.7
Service Ceiling 50,000 feet.
Maximum External Stores Load 4000kg (8818 lbs.)
Combat radius - ??
Main armament - R-77

Has three 5"x5" color MFD



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

LCA tejas

Specifications
POWERPLANT - GE F404 turbofan, 48.9 kN dry or 78.7 kN with afterburner
Hardpoints - 7
Maximum Speed Mach 1.7
Service Ceiling 50,000 feet.
Maximum External Stores Load 4000kg (8818 lbs.)
Combat radius - ??
Main armament - R-77

Has three 5"x5" color MFD


Didn't check up on the FC-1 figures.

The GE F404 model the LCA(FJ23?) is supposed to house is rated for 50+ (



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 09:20 AM
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That combat radius for the FC-1 looks a little high to me, and some sources state that it's lower. That might be it's max C radius under ideal conditions.

[edit on 4-11-2006 by WestPoint23]



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 12:53 PM
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Is that an oldtimer or a youngtimer !!!



posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
The GE F404 model the LCA(FJ23?) is supposed to house is rated for 50+ (



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

DD3,

can you get the internal fuel figures for the LCA



Well as far as the internet goes, the general consensus is a integral fuel capacity of 3000 litres. Then you have external wet hard points.
There's also the in-flight refueling probe which the FC-1 does not have.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 12:23 AM
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in-flight refueling ability would not be much useful for pakistan air force anyways, since they probably don't have the fueling plane, and also pakistan is not a huge country like russia, they don't need to refuel to in order to reach india or other parts of pakistan

[edit on 11/6/2006 by warset]



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by warset
in-flight refueling ability would not be much useful for pakistan air force anyways, since they probably don't have the fueling plane, and also pakistan is not a huge country like russia, they don't need to refuel to in order to reach india or other parts of pakistan

[edit on 11/6/2006 by warset]


In-Flight Refueling has nothing to do with the size of the country. Infact its much to the converse.
The increase in reach you have in international and enemy territory is the sole purpose of inflight refueling.

Now say the jets need to take out targets in India that fall beyond their operational/payload reach and/or they need to circumvent airdefences by taking a longer route.
Refueling in international waters is ideal in this case.

Israel is so small, but it would be ideal for them to have an inflight refueller say somewhere of the coast of Yemen or Oman that would allow them access to Iran w/o having to tresspass Jordanian,Saudi Arabian airspace.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:52 AM
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like I said, both of them are fairly close to eachother, and don't need to refuel to cover eachother's territory, beside, their is no fuel plane in pakistan (the big one that gives fuel i mean)



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by warset
like I said, both of them are fairly close to eachother, and don't need to refuel to cover eachother's territory, beside, their is no fuel plane in pakistan (the big one that gives fuel i mean)


Well Pakistan does not have a inflight refueler, yes, but there's no such thing as they them not needing one.
Why Russia and China share a border(a biig one at that) and yet their fighters(not bombers) do not have the range to target all portions of either country.

Inflight refueling gives an Air Force a strategic reach, making it more deployable and less of a defensive force only.

A decent wiki on the advantages: Link

Note that even RSAF(Singapore) has tankers.



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