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More photographs leaked of Abu Ghraib

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posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 07:45 PM
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American prisons are no better then Abu Ghraib. Here in Rhode Island each inmate is stripped naked continuosly to look for drugs and weapons(or other smuggled items). Complete with anal searches.

In solitary confinement unruly inmates are subdued with force, often resulting in injury. Induced injury.

What is so heinous about Abu Ghraib compared to what happens everyday in US prisons? Im sure there ordinary prisons over there are even or just as worse.

I recognize that it is just politics that is trying to demonize Abu Ghraib, but if they are so sensitive to this then why don't they visit the ACI here in Rhode Island.




posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 10:43 AM
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ImplementofWar:

What is so heinous about Abu Ghraib compared to what happens everyday in US prisons? Im sure there ordinary prisons over there are even or just as worse.


None of them have had any access to a justice system, in most cases. These are MILITARY prisons with absolutely ZERO oversight.

They're actually Iraq's new terrorist recruitment centers.

Torture and interrogate someone until you find they're innocent, and they won't stay innocent for long once you let them go.



jako



posted on Feb, 22 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
American prisons are no better then Abu Ghraib. Here in Rhode Island each inmate is stripped naked continuosly to look for drugs and weapons(or other smuggled items). Complete with anal searches.

In solitary confinement unruly inmates are subdued with force, often resulting in injury. Induced injury.

What is so heinous about Abu Ghraib compared to what happens everyday in US prisons? Im sure there ordinary prisons over there are even or just as worse.

I recognize that it is just politics that is trying to demonize Abu Ghraib, but if they are so sensitive to this then why don't they visit the ACI here in Rhode Island.



First off, if someone is in prison...they did something to be there. (I will admit, that there is a possiblity that some are innocent, but I believe that to be small) These people are there because they committed a crime. Once you commit a crime, what gives you the right to be happy!! If you murder someone, what gives you the right to be treated like you are in ClubMed. Better yet, why not execute all convicted murderes. Hear me out.

My first thought goes to those who are innocent, but convivted...BUT and this is a very big but...why not just execute those who are without a doubt guilty. If you are caught on tape...Especially this, and proven guilty of the crime...Why should we the taxpayers, have to pay to keep your murdering ass alive? If 5 or more witnesses see you kill someone, why should we keep you alive at my(The Taxpayers) expense. If you did it, no questions asked about your guilt...why should you get to live?? Why should we(Or I) have to pay to incarcarate you. Take them out back and remove them from society.

And as far as I'm concerned this should also apply to serial rapists and child molesters. And before you whinning Liberals start to cry...notice I said "Serial Rapists" If some is accused of "a" rape, it is a he said she said deal. But if a person is accused of mutiple rapes...then remove them from society. And again, if your going to b*tch about their upbringing...ECECUTE THE PARENTS TOO!...In a civilized world, in this day and age...there is no need for this...

And Child Molestors...whether it is 1 or 100, if a person is found, 100% guilty of that...then they should be taken out back and shot!! I don't care what they were thinking, or what was done to them. If you molest a child, you deserve to die!!! Plain and Simple!

I'm expecting alot of challenges...but no one will change my beliefs on this...especially Child Molestors...I say bring it on. And if you can make me think otherwise...I will give an apology....but This is something that goes to the core. So TRY!?!



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by darkfalcon1971
I would be the first to admit that naked prisoners in a pyramid is just a little bit strange, but normal rules of engagement do not aplly when dealing with suicidal religious fanatics. We've all seen the images of the london bombers walking into the underground as cool as cucumbers. Hell i bet they even smiled when they purchased their tickets. They are dealing with people who would slit there throats as soon as look at them. The troops are only human and can be expected to lose their temper every now and then.


Again the intelligence shows, thank your for proving the rest of the worlds point over and over again. You're a couple of guncrazy rednecks with an average IQ of 20 unable to tell what is happening in your own country, let alone in another part of the world. Yet you feel like a bunch of heroes for going into yet another fabricated war.

You think you're so brave... no wait, you're not thinking at all.

Terrorist threat, lmao



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 05:22 AM
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Whatever you say shroomery! Your right i'm wrong i guess. What is it with people like you? You sit there in your ivory towers trying to put the world to rights, and if anybody's views do not match yours they must be a lower form of life, have a sub-standard IQ and be a GUN LOVING REDNECK.

As for thinking, phew! Think about this, your a soldier sent over to Iraq by your government to do a job, while your trying to do that job some little # is trying to blow you to bits with RPG or throwing petrol bombs at you.

Do you

A: Sit him down give him a cup of tea and ask him why he was such a naughty boy

B: Shoot him

C: Drag him off the street and give the little sod a good hiding




posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by C0le
Savages being treated as savages, whats the problem?


Come now, thats a little harsh. It is terrible the way we treated these poor people.

We should treat these prisoners the way the enemy treats our people that they take as prisoners.

Oh, er, wait, they chop off their heads.

Nevermind.



posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar I disagree that they'd be treating their captived in the same manner.....how many of the hostages have been televised completely nude. or in sexually demeaning positions? "


Oh if I were a hostage I would much rather HAVE MY HEAD CUT OFF then be photographed naked.



posted on Feb, 26 2006 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by darkfalcon1971
Whatever you say shroomery! Your right i'm wrong i guess. What is it with people like you? You sit there in your ivory towers trying to put the world to rights, and if anybody's views do not match yours they must be a lower form of life, have a sub-standard IQ and be a GUN LOVING REDNECK.

As for thinking, phew! Think about this, your a soldier sent over to Iraq by your government to do a job, while your trying to do that job some little # is trying to blow you to bits with RPG or throwing petrol bombs at you.

Do you

A: Sit him down give him a cup of tea and ask him why he was such a naughty boy

B: Shoot him

C: Drag him off the street and give the little sod a good hiding



OK Falcon, I'd shoot that sod.
I've done it any number of times before. Had my share of counter terrorist and spec ops....
BUT if a guy is in custody/prison, I'd treat him as a human because he ain't pointing a gun at me. Not abuse him or mistreat him. He's naked and he's defenceless. AND the guy being whipped, could be innocent. I'd give him a fair trial.
C'mon man, you Americans are a civilized society. But some Rambos out there are messing it all up.


[edit on 26-2-2006 by mikesingh]



posted on Feb, 26 2006 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by mikesingh
C'mon man, you Americans are a civilized society. But some Rambos out there are messing it all up.



Thank you for pointing that out.


We ARE a civilized society and the RAMBOS need to be locked up for their criminal behavior, along with everyone else up the food chain who facilitated this depraved behavior...even if that means the VERY TOP.



posted on Feb, 27 2006 @ 06:37 AM
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Salon

Salon has obtained files and other electronic documents from an internal Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal. The material, which includes more than 1,000 photographs, videos and supporting documents from the Army's probe, may represent all of the photographic and video evidence that pertains to that investigation.

The DVD containing the material includes a June 6, 2004, CID investigation report written by Special Agent James E. Seigmund. That report includes the following summary of the material included: "A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."

The photographs we are showing in the accompanying gallery represent a small fraction of these visual materials. None, as far as we know, have been published elsewhere. They include: a naked, handcuffed prisoner in a contorted position; a dead prisoner who had been severely beaten; a prisoner apparently sodomizing himself with an object; and a naked, hooded prisoner standing next to an American officer who is blandly writing a report against a wall. Other photographs depict a bloody cell.


An unknown detainee with women's underwear on his head, strapped to a bed frame.

WARNING: Please be advised that the images presented in the accompanying gallery are graphic photos of what happened at Abu Ghraib. They show the dehumainizing of another human being. They are not pleasant, but they are news.

Well, thats a "Nice" Collection of Photos.

1325 Images of TORTURE on Suspected Detainees.

1325 counts of Evidence against the US Goverment.

But - I guess its "OKEY" to Torture these people - after all, they are nothing but a bunch of savages, and they deserve nothing better!

[/sarcasm]


[edit on 27-2-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Feb, 27 2006 @ 08:23 AM
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ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!


[edit on 27-2-2006 by mikesingh]



posted on Feb, 27 2006 @ 10:35 AM
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Honestly we could just do exactly what our enemy does, call Al Jazzera,
make outlandish demands that we know will not be accepted and then cut off their heads infront of video camera's so it can be shown over and over on Arab TV and the families can enjoy it. We can make a game show like candid camera, only with this version, we strap bombs on their waist, walk them into a cafe or market place and just before the bomb is exploded we holler, 'Smile you are on Suicide Camera!' Better yet we could just interrogate the bastards in the field then shoot 'em. No muss no fuss!
Really want to torture them? Wallpaper their cells with cartoons of the prophet.
Or we could hang a sign around their necks saying they are Sunni and drop them off in a Shi'te neighborhood. Actually that idea works vice-a-versa.



posted on Feb, 27 2006 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM

Really want to torture them? Wallpaper their cells with cartoons of the prophet.


Why not wallpaper their cells with the portraits of a smiling George W Bush instead?




[edit on 27-2-2006 by mikesingh]



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 12:39 AM
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I believe that most, if not all of these photos and the previous ones are staged.
USA goverment puts out these photos so that when the next act of terror happens some people will say it serves them right and then we will strike back at the middle east, bin laden, mickey mouse or whoever they want to lay the blame at next. It all feeds the machine.



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 08:50 PM
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A big thanks to Souljah for the link to the images, not seen one or two of them. As for evidence of torture i have to ask you, at what point in these images is anybody tortured?

Ok theres abuse, some of it quite perverted but not what i would class as torture. Hell, i bet we all know people who would pay to be strapped to a bed with a pair of womens undercrackers on their head. Lets not knock it before we try it.

As for the image of the dead man with buising to his eye and a split lip does this really show evidence of torture or are people seeing what they want to see? A man with bruises = torture? or was he involved in a motor accident, maybe his wife is pretty handy with her fists! Perhaps he forgot the milk when he went to the local supermarket.

Show me images of a man in a room with 2 or 3 US/UK soldiers pulling out his finger nails with pliers, thats torture!!



posted on Mar, 1 2006 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Just in case anybody thinks this might in some way further hurt the Bush administration, I'd like to beg to differ. I think actually helps. BTW, I'm a moderate liberal and a realist.

These pictures will inflame the Muslims all over creation and they'll wratchet up the rioting, burning down of fast-food joints, and insurgency in Iraq. Fueling the anti-U.S. fire is good for the administration because the Muslim repercussions give said administration more reason to stay the course.

On a political note, the Democrats will use this to hammer Bush and in the process make everyone want to puke because it once again makes the Dems appear like they want to jump at every possible chance to attack the President.

If I told you people loyal to the Republican/Bush cause were responsible for leaking these photos.............would you believe me?

Peace



Of course this will result in Muslims blowing their tops, moreso than usual. This discredits them even more. Why do you think these photos are beign released? While the Right accuses the media of making halfhearted attempts to "Hurt the Bush administration" with stuff like this, they seem to not notice the Media hardening their hearts and driving them to frothing hatred of the Muslim world.

Why?

Well, who owns the media, and what would they get from making America hate Muslims?



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by darkfalcon1971
A big thanks to Souljah for the link to the images, not seen one or two of them. As for evidence of torture i have to ask you, at what point in these images is anybody tortured?

Ok theres abuse, some of it quite perverted but not what i would class as torture. Hell, i bet we all know people who would pay to be strapped to a bed with a pair of womens undercrackers on their head. Lets not knock it before we try it.

As for the image of the dead man with buising to his eye and a split lip does this really show evidence of torture or are people seeing what they want to see? A man with bruises = torture? or was he involved in a motor accident, maybe his wife is pretty handy with her fists! Perhaps he forgot the milk when he went to the local supermarket.

Show me images of a man in a room with 2 or 3 US/UK soldiers pulling out his finger nails with pliers, thats torture!!



So you wouldn't consider sticking a dildo up your butt torture? I don't know what you would consider torture if done to you, but i would definetly say I would consider it torture if done to me! The saddest part is that you would suppport perverted ones in your post? I mean the guy put something up his arse?!?!?!?
how could you possibly defend that? maybe you didn't look through all the pics in the post provided by Souljah.

If you didn't then i apoligize , but if you did I don't know what kind of god damn freak of nature would condone forced sodomy no matter waht the situation, I mean from a standpoint of someone who was reading the thread, Your basically saying that its okay to do things sexually to other men if it gets the job done, under the circumstance that they arent giving you the information that you want?!

Man i don't even know what the hell i was gonna post now, I'm too lost in the fact that a person that feels that forced sodomy is acceptable as long as its keeping someone in line. is allowed to exist with other people? I mean what the hell is the criteria for getting that done to you? DO you feel that americans should get that done to them if they break the law?Who do you has the right to be dishing out this sort of punishment to prisoners, actually don't answer that, Sir you Disgust me, I hope to God you don't ever take the laws into your own hands


Man How can any person defend that particular pic? I saw it and immediately closed the link! Whats worse is that they took pics of it?



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 06:55 AM
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Thanks to the Online Journal Salon, we can now see for ourselves 10 galleries of photo and video evidence of Torture and Abuse by the US forces in Abu Gharib.


The Abu Ghraib files

279 photographs and 19 videos from the Army's internal investigation record a harrowing three months of detainee abuse inside the notorious prison -- and make clear that many of those responsible have yet to be held accountable.

Although the world is now sadly familiar with images of naked, hooded prisoners in scenes of horrifying humiliation and abuse, this is the first time that the full dossier of the Army's own photographic evidence of the scandal has been made public. Most of the photos have already been seen, but the Army's own analysis of the story behind the photos has never been fully told. It is a shocking, night-by-night record of three months inside Abu Ghraib's notorious cellblock 1A, and it tells the story, in more graphic detail than ever before, of the rampant abuse of prisoners there. The annotated archive also includes new details about the role of the CIA, military intelligence and the CID itself in abuse captured by cameras in the fall of 2003.

The Bush administration, which recently announced plans to shut the notorious prison and transfer detainees to other sites in Iraq, would like the world to believe that it has dealt with the abuse, and that it's time to move on. But questions about what took place there, and who was responsible, won't end with Abu Ghraib's closure.

WARNING: Photos contain disturbing images of violence, abuse and humiliation!!!


I strongly suggest that all of the people, who STILL think that detainees in Abu Gharib were NOT Tortured, to explore all of these galleries and look every single photo.

It is just yet ANOTHER hard Evidence in this alleged War on Terror that there have been many allegations of abuse, torture and other practices that violate international law!

And all I have to say - its GREAT that they took Photos and Vides of it!

Otherwise, we would not have any hardcore evidence!








 
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