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If E.T.s found that a life form here was also beginning to explore Space
I think they would be interested in that.
Originally posted by lost_shaman
Well guy's can I use my Mountain Gorilla analogy again here.
Does mankind benefit from the existence of Mountain Gorillas?
Or do we need to enslave them?
Or do we need to exterminate them so we can access their resources?
Of course we all benefit from Biodiversity. I can imagine this being true on a Galactic scale as well. Especially to any form of intelligent life. Just think how much Humans could benefit if we found and had access to another world full of life? We would not want to destroy it mindlessly.
No we don't need or do we want Mountain Gorillas for slaves. They would only do us harm and and we would spend most of our time taking care of them instead of them doing any kind of beneficial work for us.
No we don't need the resources of Mountain Gorillas. We benefit much more by allowing them to have there own place and we can just watch them. This would be true on a galactic scale. What does Earth have that other planets do not? If we for instance want farm land we don't go exterminate Mountain Gorillas to get farm land we just farm somewhere else.
Originally posted by lost_shaman
See I don't know that people get probed. Or abducted or anything else.
Without evidence or proof of that , it is only a belief.
I do know that if another life form traveled through Space to reach Earth , they would have come here for a reason.
The most plausible reason I can think of to single out the Earth as a destination is the Life that exists on Earth. Even our own Scientific community is looking today to single out Planets that harbor life.
If E.T.s found that a life form here was also beginning to explore Space I think they would be interested in that.
Who says the alleged aliens are singling out Earth? Earth could just be one of many pit stops along the way, ya know?
They might not be interested in life at all… Life could just be getting in the way of what they are Really looking at (whatever that is)…
I’m also not convinced that “they” could get certain resources just any old where… heavy metals are rare, cosmically speaking. It takes a super nova to churn out the heavy stuff.
Realistically, lets assume we find primitive life on another planet. What is going to be a bussiness that is going to boom?
"Come see the wild and crazy Goltop! It walks on one leg and can run faster then a cheetah! See how many you can bag!"
Yer tellin’ me that “No Super Nova's in our Neighborhood.” Well, there ain’t one NOW but there was one about six billion years ago and we’re the remains of it. Our sun never created anything heavier than Carbon. Alla the heavier stuff came out of a different class of star than the one we are currently orbiting.
Then you tell me “And if our own Solar System is packed with Heavy Metals almost all of the others are as well.” I don’t know about that. From what little I do know we have indeed discovered some other planets orbiting other stars… not up on the exact number, but a couple hundred or so, yes? Also from what I’ve heard what we’ve so far discovered are gas giants orbiting other stars, not nice rocky planets like our own. Again, I’m not up on that and would love to learn more if you have more info to offer.
Thus, most of the 88 elements of atomic number greater than 4 that occur naturally on Earth (21 more elements have been created solely in the laboratory by particle accelerators, etc.) or have been detected in stars have been, and are being, continuously created not in the first few minutes of the Big Bang but throughout subsequent Universe time within stars and are constantly being redistributed through destruction of stars (mainly by supernovae events) and reorganization of the debris into new stars, dust clouds, and under favorable circumstances into planets. Thus ever newer (younger) stars, as well as the interstellar medium, are becoming progressively richer in elements of atomic numbers greater than 2. Because so many of the stars in the early Universe were massive, short-lived, and subject to explosions, the heavier elements were more rapidly produced and released in the first few billion years than, say, the present.
Didja even look at any of said charts before sayin’ said charts say something they don’t? Come on comrade, yer better than that *pokes*
They way I read them charts it says the heavy stuff is rare compared to the lighter stuff. The reason Lithium and Beryllium and Boron are so rare is ‘cause of the way they go through the fusion process and get turned into Carbon and Oxygen…
Then there was this little number: “As for singling out the Earth , our own Scientists are looking for life bearing Planets by searching for Oxygen in the Atmospheres of Exo-planets.”
Originally posted by torbjon
I thought it was on that page I gave you, maybe I read it else where... (lot of reading lately) but somewhere I saw that there Was a super nova in our neck of the woods about six billion years ago and that our system is the remains of said nova...
although there can be complexities, in general metal-poor stars are young in appearance (either near the outer limits of the Universe which show stars that formed in the first few billion years after the Big Bang or stars formed more recently from gas clouds that have had little contribution of heavier elements from supernovae) and short-lived; 5) metal-rich stars from F, G, K, and M positions on the Main Sequence are redder than stars of similar sizes (masses); and 6) dust around a star will make it redder.
Overall, the rule of thumb is just that a star will show a metallicity that depends on prior processes that have changed the composition of the interstellar gas in the neighborhood in which it forms. This is a function mainly of the number of supernovae that have occurred previous to the formation of the star and the amounts of metals each ejected that then became mixed into the cloud that supplies the star (and other stars growing from this cloud). Since, over time the gas composition in the interstellar medium should progressively enrich in metals, then those stars that are metal-rich tend to have organized in later stages of a galaxy's history.
(obviously I'm taking alla this on faith... I'm guessing you are too, right? I mean, I'm Not running light through a spectrometer and analyzing the results... I just read other peoples stuff...from what I can gather there are conflicting views about our cosmology... perhaps the "we're the remains of a recent super nova" theory is bogus *shrugs* I dunno)
At this point, after having just read your post and nothing else, I'm still under the impression that the quest for resources (and a habital planet suitable for colonization would fall under that catagory) would be a more driving force than the quest to "seek out new life..." but that's just me.