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The Problem with believers

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posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 04:38 PM
As I read through the many posts here, I had to shake my head. So many people, conditioned so easily. Well, I hope to solve that. I have a few issues to discuss in general on the idea of alien life
1) The belief that aliens are a "enlightened" race.
2) The belief that once contact is established they will "enlighten us."
3) The belief that aliens are spiritually and physically better then us.
4) The belief that aliens have no other objectives then peaceful ones.

I am not saying everyone falls into these categories, just that these seem to be the norm. I will handle these issues one by one.

1) The belief that aliens are a "enlightened" race.
Just because they may be a technologically superior species, in no way means they are living gods. The spanish were much more technologically advanced then the aztecs, but were they "enlightened?" Is it not more probable to say that these alien species would also fall prey to greed, hate, and various other "negative" feelings? So far I have seen that these negative feelings are actually beneficial to a species, allowing it a competitive edge. There is a group of people who practice this "enlightened" ideal: Buddhist Monks. So far, they have gone nowhere.

2) The belief that once contact is established they will "enlighten us."
So far, history as we know it has shown societies meeting for the first time has been, or at least the majority has, violent. Perhaps these aliens may have a different religion, and view us as heretics fit only for extermination? Perhaps they seek our resources, and want us out of the way? Hell, perhaps to them we are but cattle fit only for extermination! In that case, why would they even care about making contact?

3) The belief that aliens are spiritually and physically better then us.
This strikes me as the most strange. Why are they so much better then us? I imagine death still exists for them, and does not thier body still have a time limit? Somehow I doubt that they are spirtually superior to us, and cannot imagine a species without a few depraved apples. What makes them immune to bullets? Why are they believed to be so much better then us?

4) The belief that aliens have no other objectives then peaceful ones.
As a "student of the military arts" I can tell you if I was to judge the motives of these aliens by nothing other then their current actions, I would say they have some sort of evil intent. The tactics displayed by these EBE's(Extraterrestrial Biological Entity) are nothing short of right out of the Army Field Manual. Keep a low profile and gather as much information before you strike. The using superior technology, crush the commanding forces of the opposition.

Commenting on my first statements, why conditioning? Simple: To win a war you must win hearts and minds. These EBE's have created the perfect enviroment: They have conditioned us to believe they are superior beings working for OUR benefit. Tell me this is not the perfect colonial mindset!

My opinion is in no way canon law and would be delighted for someone to change my mind. But please, view my statements with an open mind and consider it's implications.

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 04:55 PM
Well, i agree with some of your points.But, to me, Gods and Aliens are all the same.But not in the way that your thinking.Think about it, since the begginings of time, humans had to have something to believe in.That's why we have created Gods.Because we don't have the power to change destiny, we(stupidly)believe that there's "something" up there watching for us.No matter what realigion you talk about, they're all about the same.So, aliens, they're the real gods, if you know what i mean.They're, supposedly, real, so, what's easier, to believe in something you pretend that exist, or something that really exists?
God doesn't have evil associated with him.His supposed son, Jesus, was the prototype of the perfect human.So, aliens, watched as gods, don't have any evil stuff associated to them too.

Also, don't compare human thinking to alien thinking. Following your type of thinking, you can't say that they can't enlight us.

In the end, we can't really say that they're here for the good or the bad, but one thing is for sure.We all know that they have the power to end us all.So, we must hope that they are good guys, just wanting to meet new friends, and help them.

[edit on 14-2-2006 by playguy]

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:02 PM
The universe seems too gigantic for there to be just one other race that is capable of interplanetary travel. While the points you bring up might be true with certain ETs, it's not very open-minded-like to paint them all with that brush.

I do like how you rationalized all these points using human to human conflict.

Using that same rational, isn't it obvious why we consider ETs as superior beings? Reminds me of someone who once walked on water.

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:07 PM
As for my comparison to human thinking and alien thinking I say this:
Who says it's just human thinking?
And really, how else can we measure their thinking?
I prefer to use a form of thinking I can observe rather then one that has nothing to back it up.

And your right. Those who have either lost faith in humanity or lack earthly gods, would naturally flock to the more..."scientific" belief of omnipotent aliens.
Keep those comments coming!

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:14 PM
I'm not sure you are using the word "enlightened" properly....


adj 1: highly educated; having extensive information or understanding; "an enlightened public"; "knowing instructors"; "a knowledgeable critic"; "a knowledgeable audience"

2: having knowledge and spiritual insight;

3: freed from illusion

4: having or based on relevant experience; "an educated guess"; "an enlightened electorate"

n : people who have been introduced to the mysteries of some field or activity; "it is very familiar to the initiate"


I'm assuming you're refering to the second part of the second definition, "spiritual insight" which could be debated...

The third definition is subjective and I have doubts as to its validity...

All other definitions are appropriate and true for everybody everywhere in some form or another, as they are based upon knowledge and experience, which is unique to each individual.

Whether or not aliens are "good guys" or "bad guys" is also dependent upon the individual, wouldn't you agree?

rock on

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:18 PM
Individuals rarely drive an entire species. As for the word "enlightened" I am speaking of the general opinion pertaining to the "age of enlightnment"
For example:
"Bless the romans! They discovered the secrect to immortality and truly were the greatest people known to man! All history is nothing compared to their feats or greatness!"

"Bless these gods! They know the secrect of travel and can call down cargo from the heavens! Truly they are the greatest people on earth"
---Cargo Cultist

Oh, and like Mark Twain once said:
"I never trust a man who can only use a word in one way."

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:20 PM
maybe they are after our planet, but just dont have good enough tech to just erase our race with one shot. maybe interstellar travel isnt that hard, and they are only like 50-100 years ahead us. meaning that only way they could erase us quickly would be to use some sort of mass destruction weapon which would make the planet unhabitable for some time.

if the race wouldnt be that advanced, they could be after our planet. cause maybe they dont have the tech to habit any planet they want, or maybe it would take too much time. maybe earth-like planets are rare o_O

maybe there aren't any aliens around earth, or maybe they are not after anything. maybe they just like to hang around and observe us.

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:26 PM
Seems to me a broad generalization has been made. "So many, conditioned so easily". ?? That puts the light on the majority, when I think you may be referring to the minority.
I may be wrong, but...I'm NOT one of the "easily conditioned".


posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:27 PM
Well, i took "enlightment" as a way to show the "truth".
Kinda like, the aliens come here, tell us the secrets of the universe, scratch some physic rules we have, teach new ones, give us technologie, blah bah bah.That's the "enlightment".

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:29 PM
Good point. Who says they are really that advanced. It is neccesary to remove them from their pedestal to truly begin to contemplate their motives.

To Lexion I say this. Look around the internet. How many sites proclaim EBE's to be benevolent entities. Then, how many advocate the view of them as a real threat?

It seems the majority HAS been conditioned.

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 05:32 PM

Originally posted by playguy
Well, i took "enlightment" as a way to show the "truth".
Kinda like, the aliens come here, tell us the secrets of the universe, scratch some physic rules we have, teach new ones, give us technologie, blah bah bah.That's the "enlightment".


posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:01 PM

I agree 100% .

problem is , Most Crackpots here wont understand 1 word you say.

they will shrug it off as just another Debunker .

Some if not most , refuse to look at reaility of the topics and issues,
But dam they will grab onto whimsical fantasies that any Joe Blow spouts
off. its a shame that so Many People are so dam Gulliable .

But on the Bright Side
when i decide to write a book atleast i know what topic to pick , There will no doubt be enough people to make it a best seller.

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:04 PM

Its refreshing to see someone make sense!

Research , data and facts are the key to unmasking the UFO phenomena. Beliefs only invalidate the issue and Believers spend all their time debating beliefs and zero time helping to further the understanding of the UFO phenomena.

As for enlightenment, let me just ask when was the last time any of these people that think E.T.s are here to enlighten us went to the Congo to enlighten Mountain Gorillas?

And since people don't trek over to the Congo to enlighten Mountain Gorillas , then what would make people think E.T.s would trek over to Earth to enlighten Humans?

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:07 PM
Exactly! It's good to see someone agree. Perhaps I am narrow-minded but I cannot see one reason, save divine intervention, that any EBE would come to earth for a beneficial reason.

AND the only way anyone will ever take us seriously is if people stop worshipping these creatures as gods!

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:15 PM
Just to Give an example of some of the Sheeple , wich is really sad
considering this is the kind of bahaviour that leads to the Jim Jones camp.

and take a good look at this thread its a microcosm
of the world in general . wich is really sad .

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:27 PM
I agree with some of what you say. I do agree we should not buy into the beliefs that aliens are nice.

About the conditioning. Where is is said that it is in fact the aliens themselves who taught the conditioning ?

I think the message of what is learnt about aliens, is most often recalled during hypnosis, then talked about via the internet or in books written by the likes of John Mack ot Whitley Strieber. It is they who have played an important role in "teaching" us that aliens are these environmentalists, caring, enlightened ones. It is thier case studies of abductions, who brought this out into the open about the alien abduction phenomenom. Budd Hopkins, is also a major player in the field, but I think Budd is a little more cautious about not perpetuating the myth that aliens are Super- Gods.

Mack and his co-horts claim to have documented 100's of thousands, cases, world wide. And they will tell you , that there really don't have any documeted cases of any recollections of alien contact recalled normally, that is was all derived from hypnosis.

To quote Mack:
"Don't you want to know the truth ?' Then get Hypnosis.
"it really is best you seek a therapist who is experienced with this phenomenom" and conveniently there are therapists in your area ! He has set up a "network". So in reality, this therapist you end up going to is already comditioned with the "facts", and aleady know what questions (suggestions) to ask. And who knows what "facts" they are able to erase ? Then lo and behold, all abuductes recall the same story, which is "the aliens are nice, caring, spriitual beings here to help is". Mack has said over & over how it proves this bc everyone said the same stuff ! His studies are based on the recalls being "too much the same".

[edit on 14-2-2006 by violet]

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:34 PM
violet -- Holy Cow .

can you break your Paragraphs down a little smaller ? .

im interested in what your saying , but i went cross eyed half way through
reading it .

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:41 PM
OOPS ! Sorry, I got a little carried away ... sorry if it seemed comnfusing,

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 06:43 PM
Hypnosis is a highly suggestive program, making it easy for the "hypnotist" to plant his ideas.
"Alright now tell me about your encounter."
"I see a light. it's very bright."
"Good, good. Do you see the aliens?"
"Look lower. They are small, and surely you see them."
"....yes....yes I see them."
"Do they have big eyes?"

posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 07:04 PM
Hypnosis is the worst possible form of evidence.

Its much less credible than the Hundreds of thousands of UFO reports , and they are too very similar.

Just watch anyone on T.V. get hypnotised. They will do or say anything the hypnotist suggests. I remember seeing a hypnotists once telling straight guy's that they were Busty young ladies and they went around hitting on other guy's!

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