Originally posted by DaFunk13
So on to the "flaming queer attributes"; It is not part of their personality...it is an act.
So, what I get from what you're saying is that you don't like it when people 'act' in a way that you determine is not genuine to them. An
. And you have determined that the "flaming queer" behavior is an affectation. You
could be right. And I'm sure in some cases it is. I just don't have a problem with it, I guess. To me, it's the same as these other
The pretty, blond girl who bats her eyelashes and 'acts' innocent or dumb in order to get attention.
Or the suave, good-looking, Humphrey Bogart-type who always wears a hat and speaks out of one side of his mouth while balancing a cigar in the
Or the teenage kid with the dyed black 6-inch-long mohawk who wears black eyeliner and fingernail polish, 3 nose rings and wears all black with chains
and grunts in lieu of speech.
Or the hippie-girl who speaks of love, not war and wears Birkenstocks and long skirts, and is always flowing about, wide-eyed and saying
Or the Jewish Mother type who wears TONS of makeup, has big red hair and is always trying to overfeed people and speaks only in questions.
Or the long, lean cowboy who wouldn't be caught in anything other than Wranglers, boots and a denim shirt, and speaks with a Texas drawl, even though
he's from Minnesota.
Is the flaming queer affectation the same as these for you? Do you have the same distaste for all of them?
Originally posted by DaFunk13
It is how they want the world to view them.
Don't we all portray ourselves in the way we want the world to view us?
As a form of protest I can understand, but as I said before, this is no longer necessary. Popularity of shows like Will & Grace, and Queer Eye for
the Straight Guy proves that the gay rights struggle is not stuck in 1920 anymore.
Well, it may not be in the 20s, but it's not 100% either. Until they have equal rights I don't see them sitting back on the great accomplishments of
the movement toward that.
IMO, being gay should be about sexual preference, not advertising it.
Whether you (a straight man, I'm assuming?) think it should
be or not, being gay isn't
just about sexual preference. Believe it or
not, most gay men are actually quite different than straight men, and not just who they love. Most gay men I've known love to shop, have long
conversations, cry at the drop of a hat and are very emotional and, in essence, make great 'girl' friends. Not all, but many. Being gay isn't just
This is a free country. I believe that people should be able to behave any way they see fit that doesnt disturb, or harm another.
Does the flaming queer thing disturb or harm anyone?
At the same time I have a hard time bleeding for anyone who acts outright different, for no other purpose than looking different.
I don't believe anyone is asking you to bleed for them... In fact, I'm certain that they wouldn't wawnt you to.
We need unity.
Does that mean we all need to act the same?
If gays want to be accepted they should just be themselves.
I guess I believe they are being themselves. Are they acting with affectation? Yes. Are they expressing themselves? Yes. Is it part of who they are?
In my opinion, affectations and archetypes make for a colorful and interesting world. I submit that either
you are not nearly as accepting of
gay people as you say you are, or else there are a lot of people in this world that you are intolerant of. (See the list above - there are
Have you seen the movie The Birdcage
? It's a very funny and wonderful movie with an
archetypal gay man (played by Nathan Lane, a wonderful gay actor (ooh! I"m on topic!)) who, quite clearly, cannot behave differently. It's ingrained
in him and there are some very funny scenes that illustrate this. I highly recommend it.
I'm not trying to rag on you, but sometimes when I hear things like what you've said, I have to speak. I can't help it.
I'm not looking down on
you though, just exploring the psychology around it all.
[edit on 20-2-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]