Inbred Fundamentalists Ignore Warning Signs and Continue to Inter-marry

deseretnews.com...

Wyler hopes FLDS leaders will change their marriage practices. "Now that they know there's a problem," Wyler said, "they need to quit sweeping it under the rug and pretend there's not a problem. And (they should) say, 'OK, now you know when you cross these certain lines together, then this happens.' And they need fresh blood."

      Tarby has suggested to community residents that they undergo genetic screening before marriage. They've ignored the suggestion, Tarby said. "I really doubt that if we could tell them, you know, 'This male has the condition and this female has the condition; you shouldn't mate,' that wouldn't stop them."

      On one occasion at an Arizona clinic, Tarby explained to one of the fathers the reason he had a Fumarase child. "You and your wife are related," Tarby said he told the man. The father replied, "Up there we're all related." Tarby said he was not sure if the man meant "up there in Colorado City or up there in heaven."

      Tarby said the children are a financial burden on taxpayers, although he's not sure how much. In Arizona, the children frequently receive medical services at state expense, Tarby said. He believes some Fumarase children live on the north side of the border and receive some of their medical care in Utah, presumably at taxpayer expense. Officials in both states say they can't reveal data because of privacy laws.

This blossoming problem is being ignored, and I can't for the life of me imagine why. Who would want to risk marrying their cousin or their aunt? Who would want to risk having a kid with a 25 IQ and severe health problems? Who would want to burden the taxpayers like this?

Fundamentalists, that's who. Those folks who, when confronted with a contradiction between reality and their religion, choose religion every time.

This is a serious problem, this willfull disregard for the health of potential offspring. Maybe intermarriage resulting in deformed/retarded offspring should be a criminal offense? What gives these people the right to ruin the lives of their children?

Just thinking out loud here, because it seems to me like creative solutions to this problem are long overdue. This one disease is a snapshot of the larger problem. We've got the same exact problems where I live, up in the northern Appalachians. The population was small enough, historically, and remote enough, to encourage inbreeding and the results linger still today.

My town in particular is off the charts when it comes to retarded folks, who, through no fault of their own, were conceived by a couple of horny, stupid, related locals. Of course the problem gets worse every generation, because the requisite mental capabilities needed to make good decisions go the way of the dodo to make room for extra drool glands, or whatever. One needs only look at the welfare statistics for inbred communities to know it's not a good idea. Seems like everywhere I turn there's another family buggering each other and collecting SSI for their disabilities that are the result of irresponsible buggering a generation before - but do they learn their lesson? Of course not.

My next door neighbor is the product of incest, and so is one of her children (she thinks). That little kid is going to grow up, and chances are he'll breed with another relative by accident or on purpose, and keep the cycle going indefinitely. This is an evolutionary dead end folks, time to turn around.

The solution is SO SIMPLE. Genetic tests to determine compatibility of parents before they start rutting. SO SIMPLE, but these people aren't going to take those necessary precautions, because they like their way of life, and put their faith in their funny version of God instead of in medical science.

I think perhaps there is a role for the state in all this, but what exactly that might be, I'm still not sure. Any thoughts or suggestions?

We should feel sorry for them, after all perhaps the reason they are doing inbreeding is to keep the flock dumb so they can believe anything the elders will tell them.

Then again it could be that they want to keep their blood pure.

This is also a big problem in Saudi Arabia. They feel it's
safer to marry family members than strangers. It was
in the news a while back.

If every generation of inbreds is more retarded than the last....then they surely can't expect to keep this up for another 3-4 generations. By that point the whole damn town/clan will be retarded and unable to care for each other and grasp the concept of marriage, babies, all that stuff.

This is sick

I live in northern Appalachian mountains, too, in a very small town. Pretty much, people here didn't have a chance to marry "new blood" because it's remote and didn't have new folks moving here until just recently, like myself. Everyone's related to everyone else.

-Forestlady

Interesting little line of thought.

FLDS are by and large religious zealots.
Religious zealots strongly advocate creationism.
FLDS are knuckle-dragging, "dumb as rocks" imbreeders.
"Dumb as rocks" imbreeders are inherently weak.
The weak do not survive.

This is Darwin's "survival of the fittest" at its best!

Well, don't be so harsh. In ancient times to marry in the family was a great way to keep wealth,prestige, and family values. Not so wise perhaps though now that we know about genetic illness. This is a huge problem in the Arab world as well.

what a great way for natural selection to progress though- not to let my daughter marry an idiot (the primary reason they don't allow this intermarriage in these communites).

[edit on 13-2-2006 by Nakash]

Sorry, sometimes it's just a little to easy to oversimplify and stereotype. My bad!

Originally posted by maria_stardust
Interesting little line of thought.

FLDS are by and large religious zealots.
Religious zealots strongly advocate creationism.
FLDS are knuckle-dragging, "dumb as rocks" imbreeders.
"Dumb as rocks" imbreeders are inherently weak.
The weak do not survive.

This is Darwin's "survival of the fittest" at its best!

I've got one a lot like this...

a 42 million year old honeybee was extracted from a piece of amber,
its DNA was compared to the modern day honeybee,
they were virtually identical...

we'll either all evolve to honeybees or...

you've made so many jumps in logic the Utah Band of Inbred Brothers will eventually hunt you down and stuff the ultimate buzzer up your backside.

I don't think Darwin got it right,
my knuckles don't drag,
drink a few more beers, cause...
only the weak brain cells die.

Seeing the gaps in Darwinism does not a "religious zealot" make.

The human genome (as well as that of most beings) has devolved over time. They recently found some seeds of wheat in Giza's pyramid, planted it and they got a strong sturdy plant with different amino acids than the same species of our day.

This inbreeding thing is a problem.I mean it may seem good to marry into your family to 'preserve the blood' but what if's you have a genetic disorder?Apparently it's happening to the Amish etc and the reason Ancient Egypt collapsed was through inbreeding (Pharoah's marriedsisters/half sisters)...

Nakash, the evolution of wheat is a fascinating story in and of itself, if you have an interest in evolutionary theory, it's a great story (parts of it are, as yet, unwritten).

Ferrozone, it's happened to a number of other cultures as well as the Egyptians. It's one of the errors humanity keeps making, and it's contributed to the decline of more civilizations than will ever be known. You can see the same pattern, over and over and over again all throughout history.

Part of the problem in this country now is that despite the roughly equal numbers of men and women in the GP, a small number of men monopolize a large number of women. The number of adult males in any given location without a steady sex partner is a pretty good indication of regional violent crime levels, I'd bet.

Polygamy essentially puts the same damper on development, as far as I can see. In the animal kingdom it can lead to the rapid dissemination of unfavorable traits, like hip displacia in lions' prides (just thinking of one off the top of my head), but it also accounts for how favorable mutations dominate the 'playing field' so quickly. So, it's a double edged sword. In this case it has cursed a pretty sizable population. If the curse had been a boon, nobody would be in a positon to complain.

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i can't think of an answer to the problems of recessive genes brought from pologamy within a small community making up a gene-pool,

these pockets of inbreeding(?) & the negative scourges that have arisen, might just be a 'just reward'...in the spiritual sense. Because there is another small & closed set of religious adherents who are having a different 'cross-to-bare', which is their declining birth rates among the
Zoroastrian/Parsi faithful.

the Zoroastrians began +2,000 years ago in Persia (Iran), but now the largest groups are found in India and are called 'Parsi'.
They have begun modern day counseling & fertility specialists for the newly weds trying to have children. The clinics for the Parsi are few, as are the numbers of practising Parsi (Zoroastrians)...i think it under 1/4 million total worldwide..

i don't recall the source, but i was googling/searching under the name of the religion...or was following a thread of related links and came across the article about the Parsi (Zoroastrian)

[edit on 14-2-2006 by St Udio]

My cousins family on her mothers side(not related to me) is Muslim and does practice this to keep the money in the family. Her Cousin was forced to marry his 1st Cousin. Yuck! I can also back up the statement that Saudi's do this relatively regularly(compared to the West that is) though it's still not that common. It's not rare either, I guess I would call it uncommon but it does happen more then it should.

Also I thought there are laws against marrying your relatives(in the west that is), the break-off point is the so-called "Kissing Cousins" which I believe is 3rd Cousin I beleve though don't quote me on that one.

[edit on 14-2-2006 by sardion2000]

Originally posted by sardion2000
My cousins family on her mothers side(not related to me) is Muslim and does practice this to keep the money in the family. Her Cousin was forced to marry his 1st Cousin.

Bingo, perhaps that is one of the biggest reason to keep it all in the family.

No only that but also a lot of dirty secrets that will not be very good for the community if they get in the ears of strangers that can not keep their mouth quiet.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne

This blossoming problem is being ignored, and I can't for the life of me imagine why. Who would want to risk marrying their cousin or their aunt? Who would want to risk having a kid with a 25 IQ and severe health problems? Who would want to burden the taxpayers like this?

Fundamentalists, that's who.

The Bible actually forbids aunt, uncle, in-law relationships: Lev 18: 6-18.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne

Those folks who, when confronted with a contradiction between reality and their religion, choose religion every time.

How about those folks who think they've moved beyond religion, but just replace it with a liberal ideology with mystical overtones involving the environment, or the benefits of continous deficit spending to create some Messianic like state of "social justice" that is never reached, or whatever, and hold to it even as entire cities and countries are ruined as a result.


[edit on 17-2-2006 by Paul of Nisbis]

LOL those silly fundies would rather go cousin style than go against their religion.

A canadian would obviously say something ignorant and offensive like that on religious people. Yet you have no problem with gay marriage I presume?

A canadian would obviously say something ignorant and offensive like that on religious people. Yet you have no problem with gay marriage I presume?

Got something against Canadians? No, wait, don't answer; this thread isn't about Canada. It sure as Hell isn't about gay marriage, either.

I'd appreciate it if you'd troll somewhere else.

On topic: This bunch is in the news again. They're moving from the Arizona/Utah border to the great state of Texas. They've got properties in a few places though, including Colorado and South Dakota. Some reading...

www.childbrides.org... - Tape transcript from inside the compound.

kutv.com... - Sect expands to South Dakota

deseretnews.com... - Giant farm in Nevada supporting an FLDS fugitive from the law.

Nowhere to run to baby..no where to hide!

These folks have got some serious people chasing them around (not the feds either..), I wonder why everyone's so interested in wasting energy and delaying the inevitable? There's some folks down in Texas, who are freaked out, thinking they're going to have a Waco-type event in their backyard.

I can't say I blame them for thinking that. I personally don't think the church is that dangerous; crazy and dangerous to themselves and their children, sure, but not to the general population to any great degree. Still, I know how the ATF likes to do things.

Stand around on the clock for a few weeks and then find a tank to shoot some fire into the place. The FLDS folks claim their compound can withstand the rapture, but the question on everyone's mind is, can it withstand the awesome might of the ATF?


[edit on 9-3-2006 by WyrdeOne]

[edit on 9-3-2006 by WyrdeOne]

FYI you are the troll, in fact this is a troll thread meant to offend Christians in case you didn't notice. Isn't it time by the way to kick this down to bts anyway?