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Originally posted by Souljah
Every Occupation - Especially those ILLEGAL ones - Result in RESISTANCE.
So, with Iraq the Resistance is really nothing new.
Iraqi civilians fight back, kill 3 attackers
Gun battle shows private citizens are getting fed up
By Robert F. Worth
New York Times News Service
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Ordinary Iraqis rarely strike back at the insurgents who terrorize their country. But just before noon on Tuesday a carpenter named Dhia saw a troop of masked gunmen with grenades coming toward his shop here and decided he had had enough.
As the gunmen emerged from their cars, Dhia and his young relatives shouldered their Kalashnikov rifles and opened fire, police and witnesses said. In the fierce gun battle that followed, three of the insurgents were killed, and the rest fled just after the police arrived. Two of Dhia's nephews and a bystander were wounded, the police said.
"We attacked them before they attacked us," said Dhia, 35, his face still contorted with rage and excitement as he stood barefoot outside his home a few hours after the battle, a 9-mm pistol in his hand. He would not give his last name.
1,000 Iraqis Die in Stampede Over Rumors of Suicide BombBy Robert F. Worth THE NEW YORK TIMES BAGHDAD, IRAQ
1,000 Iraqis Die in Stampede Over Rumors of Suicide Bomb
By Robert F. Worth
THE NEW YORK TIMES
BAGHDAD, IRAQ
More than 950 people were killed and hundreds injured Wednesday morning when rumors of a suicide bomber provoked a frenzied stampede in a procession of Shiite pilgrims as they crossed a bridge in northern Baghdad, government and hospital officials said.
Most of the dead were crushed or suffocated, witnesses said, but many also drowned after falling or jumping into the Tigris River after the panicking crowd broke through the bridge’s railings. The disaster was by far the greatest one-day loss of life since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.
However, for those of us who HAVE experienced more of life than the day to day drudgery, we know, that without the human spirit, we dont exist anyway. This is absolutely something to fight for.
Now, the question to me is, do they do this because shoving Islamic rule down the throats of these tired but resiliant people that important to them,
www.countercurrents.org...
How The US Erase Women’s
Rights In Iraq
By Ghali Hassan
10 October, 2005
Countercurrents.org
Prior to the arrival of U.S. forces, Iraqi women were free to go wherever they wish and wear whatever they like. The 1970 Iraqi constitution, gave Iraqi women equity and liberty unmatched in the Muslim World. Since the U.S. invasion, Iraqi women’s rights have fallen to the lowest level in Iraq’s history. Under the new U.S.-crafted constitution, which will be put to referendum on the 15 October while the bloodbath mounts each day, women’s rights will be oppressed and the role of women in Iraqi society will be curtailed and relegated to the caring for “children and the elderly”.
Immediately after the invasion, the U.S. embarked on cultivating friendships with religious groups and clerics. The aim was the complete destruction of nationalist movements, including women’s rights movements, and replacing them with expatriate religious fanatics and criminals piggybacked from Iran, the U.S. and Britain. In the mean time the U.S. moved to liquidate any Iraqi opposition or dissent to the Occupation.
During his stint in Baghdad as the U.S. Proconsul, L. Paul Bremer often appeared with pro-Occupation women groups to foster the myth that the U.S is “liberating Muslim women”, while at the same time signing laws that were detrimental to women’s rights. Like George Bush and Tony Blair, Paul Bremer is no feminist, but he used feminism’s rhetoric to enforce Western imperialism. “Whether in the hands of patriarchal men or feminists, the idea of feminism essentially functioned to morally justify the attack[s] on native societies and to support the notion of comprehensive superiority of Europe [and America]”, wrote Leila Ahmad, professor of women’s studies and an expert on gender at Harvard University. Hence, feminism serves as the “handmaid of colonialism”, added Ahmed.
Since March 2003, Iraqi women have been brutally attacked, kidnapped and intimidated from participating in Iraqi society. The generation-old equality and liberty laws have been, replaced by Middle Ages laws that strip women of their rights and put them in the same oppressive life as women in Afghanistan, the nation which the U.S. invaded to “liberate” its oppressed women. The 1970 Iraqi constitution is not only the most progressive constitution in the Muslim World, but also the most equal. Iraqis were mentioned only as “citizens”, and Iraqi women’s rights were specifically protected.
In December 2003, the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council (IGC) – constituted mostly of the current puppet government – approved resolution 137, which will replace Iraq’s 1959 Personal Status Laws with religious law to be administered by conservative religious clerics from different religious groups with different interpretation of Islamic laws. The laws could affect women’s rights to education, employment, and freedom of movement, divorce, children custody and inheritance. The 55-member Constitutional Committee, who allegedly drafted – under the American radar – the new constitution, is only 17 per cent women. Like the January elections, the drafting of the constitution was undemocratic and lack public participation. Amid the escalation of violence, Iraqis are asked to vote on a constitution they do not understand. Many Iraqis believe “the new constitution weakens the state and strengthens religion within the government”, which can be used to suppress people’s rights and freedom in general and women’s rights in particular.
TONY JONES: It sounds, however, like you were saying these young men, about to join this Gestapo-like police force, are not innocent?
JOHN PILGER: Well, they're not...
It's nice that you call them 'these young men'.
They're among some of the most vicious creatures.
I mean, most of them will be led by people who the Americans would have slapped into Guantanamo Bay had they - if they didn't have another duty to perform for them.
The United States has singled out all of Saddam Hussein's top security and intelligence people.
He ran one of the most effective security, yes, Gestapo’s in the Middle East.
They've taken them and these people are now training 10,000, paid for by the CIA, to effectively do unto the Americans what they did under Saddam Hussein.
That's what they did in Vietnam..
However, of the more than 1000 men between the ages of 15 and 55 who
were captured in intense fighting in Falluja last week, just 15 are
confirmed foreign fighters, General George Casey, the top US ground
commander in Iraq, said on Monday.
aol.countrywatch.com...
WASHINGTON, April 15 (UPI)
quote: a senior U.S. military official said Friday in Baghdad.
Still, the vast majority of insurgents are Iraqis.
"We've got, oh, roughly 10,800 -- give or take -- prisoners. I think there are like 357, 358, something like that, third-country nationals, some of whom have been in Iraq for many, many years," the senior official said.
www.guardian.co.uk...
Report attacks 'myth' of foreign fighters
Brian Whitaker and Ewen MacAskill
Friday September 23, 2005
The Guardian
The US and the Iraqi government have overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, "feeding the myth" that they are the backbone of the insurgency, an American thinktank says in a new report.
Foreign militants - mainly from Algeria, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia - account for less than 10% of the estimated 30,000 insurgents, according to the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).
www.csmonitor.com...
Iraq's foreign fighters: few
By: Dan Murphy on: 27.09.2005 [13:40] (277 reads)
A new report says foreigners make up 4 to 10 percent of Iraq's 30,000 insurgents
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CAIRO – Much of the US effort in Iraq in recent months has been aimed at stopping the inflow of foreign jihadis. US warplanes have blown up bridges to deny insurgent infiltration routes, troops have occupied small towns thought to be crossing points for foreigners into bigger cities, and spy drones continuously buzz the Syrian border.
Even if the US can seal Iraq's borders, stopping the flow of foreign fighters would do little to eliminate most of the country's insurgents. Only 4 to 10 percent of the country's combatants are foreign fighters, according to a report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies released last week. But while they are a minority, says the report, they are a potent segment largely from Algeria and Syria.
msnbc.msn.com...
By Jonathan Finer
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:40 a.m. ET Nov. 17, 2005
The relative importance of the foreign component of Iraq's two-year-old insurgency, estimated at between 4 and 10 percent of all guerrillas, has been a matter of growing debate in military and intelligence circles, U.S. and Iraqi officials and American commanders said. Top U.S. military officials here have long emphasized the influence of groups such as al Qaeda in Iraq, an insurgent network led by a Jordanian, Abu Musab Zarqawi. But analysts say the focus on foreign elements is also an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of the insurgency in the eyes of Iraqis, by portraying it as terrorism foisted on the country by outsiders.
"Both Iraqis and coalition people often exaggerate the role of foreign infiltrators and downplay the role of Iraqi resentment in the insurgency," said Anthony H. Cordesman, a former Pentagon official now at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, who is writing a book about the Iraqi insurgency.
‘Blaming outsiders’
"It makes the government's counterinsurgency efforts seem more legitimate, and it links what's going on in Iraq to the war on terrorism," he continued. "When people go out into battle, they often characterize enemies in the most negative way possible. Obviously there are all kinds of interacting political prejudices they can bring out by blaming outsiders."
Your representatives, & their media, have portrayed an image that an insurgency is in Effect & that it is led by elements of foreign fighters entering from Syria & neighboring Countries; yet we assure you, that it is only a continuation of what Bush once claimed,“Mission Accomplished”. This resistance movement was prepared for, & is only the second chapter of this War. And we are mostly if not all Iraqis, Proud Iraqis who kept their oaths to defend people & country
The little propaganda machine marches on!
(I forgot where I first heard that, but Im pretty sure it was in reference to you)
SS, Im not doubting your allegations to the point were there is no chance they could be true. I just need proof, I've looked for it and still nothing. (yes, I know. Look harder.) It's always the same, read what this person has to say, read this essay, someone told me, etc.....
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The majority of the iraqi people, love the resistance.
Their families, their freedom fighters.
From this point on, let's keep the discusion about the contents of the Resistance message. I trust that the moderators here will assist me in this regard.
[edit on 13-2-2006 by Syrian Sister]
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Or when they say.
How about we discuss reality, please complain to the mods to get me a warning, to shut me up.
"they" is the video message that i have posted
Do you agree with the policy of Iran and the policy of Iraqi resistance?
The "they" is your opinion gleaned from artilces for propaganda.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I am happy to continue with you an open debate about that, as i have been doing and will continue to do for some time.
But please, choose another thread where we can have that age old arguement. Perhaps in a debate forum, or start a thread of your own saying how i am just soo soo wrong.
This thread is of something new.
Originally posted by Vincere7
Do you agree with the policy of Iran and the policy of Iraqi resistance?
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The policy of iran is the policy of ones collaborating with the americans now in iraq, as i have previously shown.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The reistance has no political "policy" other than to rid their country of occupation.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Wether of i agree with any political ideology is of no consequence to what i percieve to be a just response to something unjust. If you must know, my politics is left leaning.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Now surely i have entertained your questions enough.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
No, 'they' are the Iraqi resistance, who made this video, with a message on it.
What do you think of that message?
" Your representatives, & their media, have portrayed an image that an insurgency is in Effect & that it is led by elements of foreign fighters entering from Syria & neighboring Countries; yet we assure you, that it is only a continuation of what Bush once claimed, “Mission Accomplished”. This resistance movement was prepared for, & is only the second chapter of this War. And we are mostly if not all Iraqis, Proud Iraqis who kept their oaths to defend people & country.
.....
Have you not asked yourselves, where are the weapons of mass destruction, & where are the links between our previous government & the once CIA sponsored AL-Qaida? Or is that all now a thing of the past?
After the failed American Elections in Iraq, they will now play the sectarian card. They are already sending their mercenaries to destroy churches & mosques alike in order to prepare the grounds for civil war & unrest. They will train more & more local traitors to conduct police operations & detention raids on anyone who does not accept democracy performed at the muzzle of a barrel. The local mercenaries will also act as sandbags to their masters, when we choose to strike.
The non conduct of your troops has also taken it’s toll on our people, it has created resentment & disgust. They dismiss these war crimes as isolated cases, yet the figures are always on the rise. What’s more are the scandals of Abu Graib, poka, The use of Chemical weapons on Falluja, & only gods knows what’s to come.
Life under Dictatorship is far more safer, than behind the bars of your democracy.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
*sigh*.
Your false claims again that the iraqi resistance is made up of foreigners.
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Have you not asked yourselves, where are the weapons of mass destruction, & where are the links between our previous government & the once CIA sponsored AL-Qaida? Or is that all now a thing of the past?
Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Example:
Before the occupation and sanctions, Iraqi women enjoyed the most equal treatement in comparison to the whole of the arab world (with the exception of Syria *ahem*).
Now with the US's new puppets, all those rights that women had are being stripped away, by the "islamic rule" that your so affraid of thomas, that your government FUNDED in the first place.
Army helping Iraqi businesswomen win contracts
February 10, 2006
About 250 reconstruction contracts worth more than $250 million have been awarded to women-owned businesses in Iraq over the past eight months.
Opportunities for Iraqi businesswomen are increasing, with help of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, according to a civil engineer who just returned from Iraq two months ago.
www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/10_56/national_news/39640-1.html
Those 'rights' seem to be coming back, ten fold. Glad to see some control given back into the hands of the Iraqi women
During his stint in Baghdad as the U.S. Proconsul, L. Paul Bremer often appeared with pro-Occupation women groups to foster the myth that the U.S is “liberating Muslim women”, while at the same time signing laws that were detrimental to women’s rights.
....
The generation-old equality and liberty laws have been, replaced by Middle Ages laws that strip women of their rights and put them in the same oppressive life as women in Afghanistan, the nation which the U.S. invaded to “liberate” its oppressed women. The 1970 Iraqi constitution is not only the most progressive constitution in the Muslim World, but also the most equal. Iraqis were mentioned only as “citizens”, and Iraqi women’s rights were specifically protected.
In December 2003, the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council (IGC) – constituted mostly of the current puppet government – approved resolution 137, which will replace Iraq’s 1959 Personal Status Laws with religious law to be administered by conservative religious clerics from different religious groups with different interpretation of Islamic laws. The laws could affect women’s rights to education, employment, and freedom of movement, divorce, children custody and inheritance. The 55-member Constitutional Committee, who allegedly drafted – under the American radar – the new constitution, is only 17 per cent women. Like the January elections, the drafting of the constitution was undemocratic and lack public participation. Amid the escalation of violence, Iraqis are asked to vote on a constitution they do not understand. Many Iraqis believe “the new constitution weakens the state and strengthens religion within the government”, which can be used to suppress people’s rights and freedom in general and women’s rights in particular.
Women who give birth to deformed babies, caused by the effect of your military’s depleted Uranium shells.
The weapons of mass destruction are within your mind and all those who will wage war against America and the UK in the name of Jihad. You see we do not play by the rules when it comes to destroying those who will destroy us.
We have not crossed the oceans and seas to occupy Britain or the U.S. nor are we responsible for 9/11. These are only a few of the lies that these criminals present to cover their true plans for the control of the energy resources of the world, in face of a growing China and a strong unified Europe . It is Ironic that the Iraqi's are to bear the full face of this large and growing conflict on behalf of the rest of this sleeping world.
Not only have you lost, but you have lost the countries and the resources you sought to use in your war against us. Now you shall buy these precious resources from your enemy and the very people you sought to use in destruction against us. They shall become wealthy and dominate your nation.