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As a matter of fact,
Originally posted by jnrbuckeye
Why are we so willing to acept that this WAS an accident? Why isn't an investigation forthcoming? After all, Cheney's staff tried not to disclose this story at all! They didn't even tell Pres. Bush's people about it til the next DAY!!! What's up with that? Hey I thought this was a CONSPIRACY THEORIST'S SITE?!? I am wondering, anywho...
It seems clear that this is a cover-up in progress. The hospital where Whittington was taken after the shooting is a heavily guarded facility where he is being operated upon and monitored by doctors and surgeons close to the President and Vice President. These highly skilled medical professionals would have known instantly by a simple X-Ray if he had suffered from a shot to the heart. These doctors, loyal to the the Bush-Cheney cabal are clearly colluding to conceal information about Whittington's actual condition for their masters.
Reports and press releases that followed the event explained that some of the pellets had become lodged in his heart tissue. The only way this is possible, the only way that the tiny pellets designed to spread over distance could have maintained the force necessary to penetrate Whittington's hunting vest, clothing, skin, muscle, bone and finally into his rock-hard heart would have been if they came from a much shorter distance than the White House is claiming.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
They did not react quick enough to stamp it out, and now Cheney was forced to admit it.
If this goes from one beer to a couple, or more I would like to see.
Armstrong later acknowledged to a reporter from the NBC investigative unit that alcohol may have been served at a picnic Saturday afternoon on the dude ranch where Cheney shot Harry Whittington.
According to the report, which appeared briefly Tuesday on MSNBC, Armstrong peddled the line that she did not believe that alcohol played a part in the shooting accident. But, she admitted, "There may be a beer or two in there, but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."
Originally posted by outsider
My WAG is that he was suspected of leaking information or was about too that would have made trouble for the boys. Thus the accident is really about plugging the leak. Prior to the SOTU, CT had mentioned that they think they know who it is & they're gonna take him out
Then again maybe he was just drunk and thought his partner was a bird.
[edit on 15-2-2006 by outsider]
Cheney's Negligence -- Is it a felony?
By Jerry M. Ward
I am an attorney from Idaho. I heard somebody in the media say something to the effect that if Mr. Whittington died, then there would "possibly" be an investigation, which got me thinking.
My uncle was shot in a hunting accident many years ago, and nearly died. It was clearly an accident, but I believe the shooter was charged (and of course, this occurred in Idaho). My thought was, whether Whittington dies or not, Cheney certainly appears to have been negligent, and arguably reckless. In Idaho we have a statute regarding "reckless endangerment," so I wondered if Texas has a similar charge. Since we have the casemaker library, which covers Texas in addition to other states, I decided to see what I could find.
Lo and behold, Texas Penal Code Title 5, Chapter 22.04(a)(3) makes it an offense for someone to injure an elderly person (over age 65) by an act of recklessness or criminal negligence. Subsection (f) or (g) would make it a "state jail felony."
Originally posted by psyopswatcher
I am an attorney from Idaho. (snip)
Texas Penal Code Title 5, Chapter 22.04(a)(3) makes it an offense for someone to injure an elderly person (over age 65) by an act of recklessness or criminal negligence. Subsection (f) or (g) would make it a "state jail felony."
Sec. 22.04. INJURY TO A CHILD, ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL, OR DISABLED INDIVIDUAL. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence, by act or intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly by omission, causes to a child, elderly individual, or disabled individual:
~ ~ (1) serious bodily injury;
~ ~ (2) serious mental deficiency, impairment, or injury; or
~ ~ (3) bodily injury.
~ (b) An omission that causes a condition described by Subsections (a)(1) through (a)(3) is conduct constituting an offense under this section if:
~ ~ (1) the actor has a legal or statutory duty to act; or
~ ~ (2) the actor has assumed care, custody, or control of a child, elderly individual, or disabled individual.
Originally posted by ChemicalLaser
Are the Cheney / Bush haters really that desparate?!!? The 24 hour delay between the accident and the report is the smoking gun that could unravel the adminsitration?!!? Sheesh. If a categorical lie demonstrated by DNA on a blue dress didn't bring down the Clinton admin, then this one isn't even worthy of discussion along those lines.
I was wondering, if Cheney had of killed him by mistake instead of just injuring him, would Cheney go to jail? He would, right? Just like anyone else? Being 'up there' doesn't give you immunity and allow you to kill people with your gun right?
Armstrong contacted the Corpus Christi Caller-Times around 9 a.m. Central time on Sunday. Asked why the information was not disseminated on Saturday night, immediately after the accident, Armstrong said: "The last thing that was on our mind was the media. We were thinking about Harry."
Armstrong; her sister; Cheney; Whittington; and Pamela Pitzer Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein, went out on the ranch to hunt quail. Armstrong said the protocol they used was to have three hunters shooting at one time: While two sat in the hunt vehicle, the other three were hunting. They would then rotate.
The hunters, wearing bright-orange vests and caps, walked in a line across a pasture. From what Armstrong said she saw as she sat in the hunt vehicle about 100 yards from Cheney and the other hunters, Whittington walked back, away from the line, to look for a bird that he had shot but that a dog did not find.
He then walked forward toward Cheney, approaching from behind and to the right of him and the other hunter when the vice president shot at a quail and hit the lawyer.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
It amazes me to see some members (jsobecky) continuing to blame the victim in this incident. Perhaps you should join your partisan buddies on the sidelines for the rest of this one? No offense, of course.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Only once in all my hunting experience has a quail flushed toward me. It flew between me and my brother, who was 10-15 yards away, and we both swung on it, and held our fire, until the bird passed by us, then we both let loose at it.
It is not only unlikely that Whittington was injured in the way he reportedly was if Cheney had shot him from 30 yards it is impossible.
After reviewing the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife report on the shooting, there is no doubt that this is a cover-up.
The pattern of the birdshot depicted in the diagram on the report indicates about a foot spread from cheek to chest.
So at a distance of about 90 feet (or 30 yards as reported by the White House) the pellets would have hit Whittington with the force equivilent to a gentle shove and have left maybe some tiny surface marks on any exposed skin.
The only way to account for the pattern indicated on the TDPW report is if Cheney was about 10 feet away from Whittington when he shot him.
Originally posted by jsobecky
The fact that you swung toward another hunter with a loaded weapon shows that you are a piss-poor excuse for a hunter. Your brother did the same thing, so you're both piss-poor excuses for hunters.
Originally posted by jsobecky
The old lawyer was in the wrong, not announcing himself when he rejoined the party.
-- 3-6 meters: Shot charge still intact with few pellets that wander off the center point of damage. Penetration is deep.
-- Within 6 meters: tissue destruction similar to that of a high velocity missile. Massive tissue destruction. Pt injured by intact charge acting as a single projectile.
-- Greater than 6 meters: Wound caused by the spray of low velocity pellets acting as separate missiles with superficial damage