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What's wrong with Mexico?

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posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 05:22 AM
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Look at this stats about the other countries view of US. What's the most intersesting things - guess who has the least positive view of US? No, not Iran, China or North Korea. It's Mexico, the same country which has free trade agreement with US, the same coutry which has milions of illegal emmigrants to US. Not to mention that the current Bush govt is basically licking illegal a*se. So why should Mexicans have such a bad view of US?



www.worldpublicopinion.org... me_page/168.php?nid=&id=&pnt=168&lb=hmpg1#US




posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 09:01 AM
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Interesting graff.
What I find odd is that Russia (our old nemesis) views us more favorably than our old allies France and Germany. Doesn't make me feel too good. And please, no anti-French comments. That is so programmed.

We wouldn't be a nation without the help of the French.

But I digress.. As for Mexico, have they ever really liked us? They've always seen us looking down on them and swiping their land. So, Vincente and Duhbya are amigos. That doesn't mean his people feel the same. He looks pretty white and rich to me. (He actually looks like my grandpa.
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They come here to earn better pay. Its probly very difficult for them, yet they do it. They have to contend with a lot of xenophobic anger and other anger from us. With so many illegals running around, folks are bound to be suspicious of most who look fresh off the trek. Even I despise the fact that we allow our government to look away while they pour into our country illegally. It makes ME even more angry that our officials somehow bend over for these people (who have stepped over their own countrymen seeking citizenship LEGALLY) and even promote bilingualism here. BS! We speak ENGLISH, here!

Now don't think for a moment I dislike Mexican people. If they're LEGAL, I embrace them. And I don't hate illegals, either; I just hate the fact that they are abusing a system that could be even better for them if they went about it legally.

So, that leads me back to why Mexicans view us poorly... Probably because they think we're arrogant for no good reason.

Incidentally, I have a first-generation Mexican American uncle and two half MA cousins (named Valenzuela). My uncle's very smart and very proud. My aunt wanted him to teach their children how to speak Spanish from the earliest age, but he refused. He didn't want his kids sounding like beaneaters. Can you believe that? I was with my aunt, totally. I would want MY kids to speak two languages, if they could. And kids pick that stuff up easy. They eventually learned Spanish in school, but according to my aunt (who is a teacher), they never developed that natural r - roll of the tongue.
It's funny my MA uncle would be more racist than my lilly-white aunt.


Great question, Longbow.
Being that Mexico is our neighbor, I would think this thread would generate much debate. Hopefully Dgtempe and Marg will show up (being Latinas).



posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 12:55 PM
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Being Peurto Rican doesn't make one Mexican.
Stating that we would not be a country without France acting on their self-interest and positiining against England doesn't make me beholding; especially after our best and brightest died in the 1940's and gave them back their freedom.
I have always said that the one definite time we went to war for the simple taking of land was when we stole...er, gained Texas. We certainly have not done all things perfectly, no doubt. However, I think a lot of the dislike is simple jealousy.

Like ECK, I hold no animosity for the Mexican folks. Actually, I like them, and welcome them. Some of the warmest and quickest to laugh come from South of the Border. this does NOT mean I appreciate the flood of illegals, those who are here not to assimilate into my country and culture but to take.
If my attitude that has come about from the flood that has hit the Southeast has helped in having a bad 'tude about us, all I can say is they might want to check themselves.

i notice a lot of countries that we have helped seem to not like us. Others, who have struggeld on their own, respect us more. RThey probably see us as equals to them. I think maybe there is a lesson in there, somewhere.



posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
i notice a lot of countries that we have helped seem to not like us. Others, who have struggeld on their own, respect us more. RThey probably see us as equals to them. I think maybe there is a lesson in there, somewhere.


The main reason for this is the people of nations we "help" with generous foreign aid never actually see this aid. It goes straight into the coffers of those corrupt leaders. When doling out money to allies, we should be much more interested in seeing results from promises. Or cut the aid altogether.



posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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Well, first of all, what the heck is wrong with Mr. Fox? Cant he get his sht together in his country? Is it easier to pass out maps so his people can find the path to the promised land? 2. What is wrong with the Mexicans themselves that they dont revolt against this retard of a president and instead just flee? (I know, this is easier said than done, but its worth a shot). Literally.

Lets look at this. They have low approval of us, but are dying to come here.

They are the only country i know of, under the impression that they can be here illegaly and it should be ok. After all they do the jobs Americans wont do. I beg to differ. If cleaning toilets paid $10.00 an hour instead of $6.00, i'd consider it myself, and so would lots of people. In this respect, the Americans DO take advantage of them, and take away from our own people.
I dont know where in the world i have a right to go without permission, expect to work, be treated as one of their own and expect to have all the rights the natural born do. I had the opportunity to meet quite a few Mexicans when i lived in Arizona and they are not stupid. Lots have an education, went to schools here and know the rules about immigration. Dont get me wrong, i speak their language and they are extremely nice people and i have no problem with them.

I dont know why they dont do something to fix their problem at home, or, get it through their heads that there are such things as immigration laws thruought the world. This is not something America has made up just to be difficult.


Vicente ought to be ashamed. I get sick of looking at him and his starchey shirts and trim stache- He should be a man and fix his own country and forget about his need to look good. Fix your own country, stop promoting your citizens to cross the borders illegaly, educate your people as to laws that countrys have, and stop worrying about looking physically good.
You dont do a thing for me. You should try to look good to the world by presiding over your country.


And North of the border- I'd like Bush to take good action. I also think somebody in our government should send him (Fox) a CLEAR message to get it together. I dont think this government has gotten through to him.

I dont really even know if this government WANTS to get thru to Fox.



posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 02:26 PM
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I get the impression the Bush administration doesn't give a rats behind about Mexican policy. It should. If we could persuade Fox to do the right thing for his country, it would help us. They're too fixated on the mideast to even bother looking south. It's terrible.



posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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The reason Mexico has a negative opinion of the US goes back to the time of the fights for the west of the US.

Taking also in consideration so many negative comments that many anti-immigration advocates express about Mexicans and the Mexican border is not wonder the opinions of Mexican about US is so negative.

About learning two languages I have to said that my son doesn't speak English at all, and my daughter just barely.

I guess I disregard that littler fact about teaching their mother language while they were growing on and now is to late.

But taking in consideration that they probably will never go back to PR to live it doesn't bother me at all.



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I get the impression the Bush administration doesn't give a rats behind about Mexican policy. It should. If we could persuade Fox to do the right thing for his country, it would help us. They're too fixated on the mideast to even bother looking south. It's terrible.


Um... Once again I have to disagree with you ECK. It seems to me the Bush administration is thinking along the same lines you express. It just takes time to implement these things. Changes don't happen over night.


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The best way, in the long run, to reduce the pressures that create illegal immigration in the first place is to expand economic opportunity among the countries in our neighborhood. In a few days I will go to Mexico for the Special Summit of the Americas, where we will discuss ways to advance free trade, and to fight corruption, and encourage the reforms that lead to prosperity. Real growth and real hope in the nations of our hemisphere will lessen the flow of new immigrants to America when more citizens of other countries are able to achieve their dreams at their own home.link


I also find it hard to believe that the Mexican peoples are still upset about something that happened so damn long ago. Does England still hate us? The French? I think I may know why they dislike us...

Jealousy? The prosperous neighbors to the north won't let them just walk right up here and share with them? I dunno.....

[edit on 13-2-2006 by LostSailor]



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 07:51 AM
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Boatphone, i agree.

All kinds of people would be still resentful of our actions in the past. American Indians? African-Americans?

Whats happening is that our administration has not put mr Fox in his place.
For some reason, thats very hard for them to do.

And how much time is needed to correct the border problem once and for all? I lived in Arizona and not too long ago, and its still a free-for-all down there. Bitching and moaning isnt going to correct the problem.

What if i wake up one day and say, I'm going to England to live and work tomorrow. I hop on a plane and land. No passport, no permission to be there or work. Whats going to happen to me? I know what would happen:
I'd end up living either in jail or at the airport till somebody bails my ars out of there.



posted on Mar, 9 2006 @ 02:24 PM
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I asked Congressman Mike Pence (R) - Indiana at a town hall meeting why Bush keeps going to Mexico to talk to Fox about Immigration and border security but ends up seemingly ending up just drinking margaritas with him and not accomplishing anything constructive. His reply to me was that Bush "treats Fox with kid gloves for some reason." He said that he had asked Bush in private meetings about why he does that and that Bush would not answer him even indirectly about it.

Pence also said that he felt strongly about this issue and would continue to press Bush about it in any way that he could but I don't hold my breath over it.

JDub




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