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Originally posted by Cabanman
Originally posted by Briggs
Ok cabanman , take a deep breath .
apparently your easily upset by the discussion .
As for me being pissed off ?? . lol . not at all . why would i be ?.
Apparently your lack of reading and comprehension of the English language
has left you dazed and confused in some way .
If your so open Minded ? then why do you become so hostile when
someone else offers there Opion ?.
As for taking a beating ?? im not sure how you come to that conclusion .
Unless you totally lack reading and comprehension skills ?. You should go back to page 1 and re-read everything .
Again in my last post before this - I clearly stated -
I am not Debunking anything , only giving a alternative opion.
And for some reason , that makes you Upset.
did you miss your mourning meds or something ?.
Upset? I sould have to believe your thinking to be upset. since I don't believe yor thoughts, and frankly don't care about them either, this means that I can't be upset.
It's just funny how you go off on people for stating their opinions. You dirrected your anger at me cause I wrote my thoughts on debunkers. I did not mention you, But yet you call me crazy or that I have no reading skills.
Like I said before, don't bring it on me, cause I don't care! You are the upset one who wants to get your point across. don't turn your dissapointment on me.
Originally posted by Briggs
Ok, since you lack reading skills , i guess we should end this here
and get back to the Topic at hand .
Originally posted by lost_shaman
You can attempt to order video from NASA , but judging by the way they censor live video I would doubt you will get any of the anomalies on Video from NASA.
[edit on 12-2-2006 by lost_shaman]
Ok, We are Debating a bunch of Moving white specs. On a lousy Video capture.
Originally posted by msnevil
If you are going to present proof, Then at least present something that looks like proof.
Along with this story.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
These are my observations and i, just a plain simple nobody, will NOT do the trick debunkers love to do - make a claim then chicken out or insult others to go GOOGLE or read up books to back up their claims. I will use simple laymen terms for this observation.
1. Graininess:- even though the video is grainy, the UFOs can still be seen in contrast with the black background - white shapes moving anomolously.
2.Size of UFOs:- pretty difficult to determined as mentioned, it is of a perspective view- it may be specks of dust in front of the camera or more likely, a distance away and it certainly be massive inorder to be observed.
3.Space junk theory:- what are space junk?a screw or a space station? What are the biggest space junk since mankind started flying into space? Can such junks be seen from a distance such as those in the video?
4.Water droplets on lens or shuttle portholes theory:- water droplets clings to screen in vacuum space???
5.Ice particles theory:- how big are ice particles? molecular size or space station size? Meteor size? Meteor showers? If meteors, why no records of it being viewed from Earth in corelation to the position of the shuttle?
6.Objects or space junk are supposed to be at inertia speed, at a maintained altitude following an orbital path, therefore will not vary in speeds, but those supposedly 'space junks' have the ability to vary, to stop and change speeds.
'Space junk' do not move in fleets in formation, unless those in the videos are actually a comercial for M&M chocolate sweets place directly outside the shuttle's porthole!
7.Satallites while have the ability to vary and change speeds through intelligent control like UFOs, the tether footage shows too many supposedly 'man made satallites' gathering just beneath the tether over Africa!
8. The 'pool table' analogy while proved reasonable, unfortunately it explains only the centrifugal force of an object/objects between it and Earth's gravity in orbit. Notice some of them were 'flying' away from Earth?
That would take escape velocity to happen, and inertia 'space junks' DO NOT have the thrusts to make that happen, more so when it is obviously still within Earth's atmosphere and not sufficiently out of Earth's gravitional pull yet.
Furthermore, if one subscribe to the theory that based on the shape of the objects, its orbit may alter - not necessarily true as such 'junks' orbital path is based on its mass more than its shape. There is NO wind/air in space for trapped pressure to change direction. The only time it ever changes is when its speeds achieves high velocity as it plumets to Earth's surface, leaving vacuum of space and burning up upon re-entry.
The space above Earth is closely monitored and ANY object that can be detected, espacially manmade ones, will be made known to shuttlecrew as well as project directors, but from the video, the ground crew have no clues on what they were even watching!
I do not claim to be an expert on celestial mechanics or obital dynamics, but i do know enough of what i am seeing. I dont mind being ridiculed if indeed i am wrong or even if i am right, i seek only the TRUTH, not BS.
They are UFOs. Undeniable. Unidentified Flying Objects.
- Are they intelligent controlled? - my rationalised observations are leaning to YES though to be fair, some may be in denial and are free to be in denial and free to ridicule others for thinking unlike them.
-If so, then who are controlling them? - I dont know. All i know is it aint the space powers that are Russia and US.
Edit:- while some may dispute SOME of the video footages, But do remember, it takes ONLY JUST ONE unexplained footage for the credibility of UFO hypothesis.
[edit on 13-2-2006 by SeekerofTruth101]
In low earth orbit (LEO) man-made debris travels around the Earth at speeds of roughly 7.5 kilometers per second. That's almost 17,000 miles per hour! If two objects in orbit were to collide head-on, the impact velocity would be double: 15 km/s or 34,000 mph.