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posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 03:21 AM
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Dear zhangxi0183 i think that china in esence is heading to free expresion.
You still have some restrictions there like google can search only a limited amount of information and some sites are restricted but then again you will find that all over the world depends on how your isp is.
China is stuck some how betwen a comunism form and a democratic form.
Something in the middle any way no where compared to north corea which is totaly for freedom opresion.
I think north corea is the only country in the world that still pratice old type comunism.

For united states i dont think you can hate united state because united states is all of us, you can find any culture there and thats what it is, a nation of many nations.
It all depends how you see united states, if you only see the white house then you can end up hateing it, if you look at the united states has a country then it's imposible to hate it(the white house is not united states)
It's only the ones that find reasons acusing a whole country for a pathetic ruler, but i guess those that do are just like him.

I find my self to the point where i might chose to takle the blue pill to escape it all, it's dsiturbing, the realitty of things are monsters of our night mares, monsters are becoming real, a bunch of control freaks cryng like little babys for power screwing with the world like it's a little toy.

My statement does not describe united states it describes only one man or a few that are confused as being united states.
What a confusion.
I can olnly say one thing about U.S citisens, your too cofortable and that's your only mistake.
No one is doing anything, every one thinks they are in wonder land, is ELIVS alive?



[edit on 11-2-2006 by pepsi78]




posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Greetings and thank you for your post...

Your title is somewhat inflamitory (anger making) but we will ignore that for now, and try to deal with the main issue of your post.

I have much experience with China. I am in involved with manufacturing, and importing auto parts from there...

I personally Like the Chinese people.
I can say that one true critism of China comes from idea ownership policy.

We have a tradition here. If you create something, it is yours to sell or destroy... but no one else can copy it and make it cheaper and then prevent you from selling yours...
as the creator, you get first opportunity to make money from it. China doesn't beleive this... If they see something they like, they steal it... and then ruin the original creators sales by making it cheaper.
that is unfair my friend...
If the whole world played that way, we would still be living in caves...

If there is no incentive for invention, and creation, then there is none...
Have you checked to see how many new innovations are coming out of China these days... zero... becasue it is always easier to copy, than create.
China has destroyed the creative spirit of the chinese people by removing intellectual property rights... there are no more inspired inventors in China.

As to who hates America... not many... but there are billions of people who dont like our present government... but that is not the same thing...
we are a democracy (representative anyway) and will change the government thru our vote during the next election... Too bad other countries cant do that...


[edit on 10-2-2006 by LazarusTheLong]


I don't think my title is "anger making",I would not deny that someone see this title may feel uncomfortable,but the truth is there does have some group of people who hates americans.I'm not making this up.So why do we just talk instead of feel angry??

You said about the "idea ownership policy".
First,I have to admit that china does have many copies.not only copy the USA's copyright,but also the Chinese company own copyright.And the law forbidden the unlegal copy is not only your "tradition",but also the rest of the world "tradition",including china.

Second,you said that China is "steal" things from America.Then,I would ask what is America doing in China in the 1900's??? Can we call it "heist"???Yes,we can.And you may didn't know about the "heist" thing.Sure the American media wound not propagandize the "heist" thing.what if you are chinese,and when the day the foreigners rob in your home,and they didn't call it unlegal.and another day,under the USA government's blockage of science and technology,when china is copy thing from the country.then these foreigners claims it is "steal".My friend ,what is unfair,this is unfair.(Man,I really don't want to speak of this,Surly I'm not claim the unlegal copy is right.but when i have conversation with others,i would stand on the side of others and think of myself,then I stand on the side of myself and think of others,that makes conversation more easier,I think you can do it too.)

Third,you said that the copy thing is making chinese people lack of creativity.I also disagree with you.Imitate is a very important ability of human.remember the smart ameican people who create the airplane,yes that's imitate of birds.is it?America is alway in the head of us,so you guys may not have this feel,and you can ask the Japanese and the people who lived in Taiwan,when their economy grow up,is there have any unlegal copy?I think the truth is yes.So,here my suggestion is America help china make progress in technology and other abilities,And china cooperate with America to deal with the unlegal copy things.

As to the last part of your speech,you said that "American people will change the government thru our vote during the next election" I serious doubt.It's too early to say that.American people is affected by the preconception media too much.As to my country,belive me there is no party can live without concern demos,the only reason that CPC is still controll the country is that CPC make china progress.make chinese people life rich and easier.though we are not so called democracy.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
This country is and has always been the greatest country in the world.


We may disagree on government policy, but one thing we can all agree on is we all agree to disagree out of love.

No one hates Americans. Americans as a whole are welcomed all over the world. Its the government and the policies that the rest of the world apparently do not like. Not the people.


I'm sure that America is a great country,but you said "No one hates Americans".it's obvious not true.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
The whole hatred of Americans is just a government/media myth. If you ask most people of the world, very rarely will you hear somebody say "I hate American people."


I honestly hope form the bottom of my heart that you can live all your life inside of that delicious buble of denial ...Take Care.

And to the new member... China seems to have problems with outher Countries as well... what do you have to say about Tibette? Is that Chinese love ?


Tibet is not another country.Tibet is part of china. thank you!!



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by ferretman2
the whole idea of injecting formeldehyde into a new born babies head is kind of disturbing.

The crack down on dissents is kind of disturbing......

The movement of 1 million peasants to make a dam and not provide them anything is return is disturbing......

The fact that the internet is censored is disturbing......

The fact that the media is censoned is disturbing......

The fact that there are no free elections is disturbing......

The only place with any freedoms is Hong Kong....and I don't expect those to last.

Face it....China is a Communist nation.


not to mention the preconception and incomprehension in your expression of china.May i ask you what is Communist?is that the party named Communist Party of China so china is Communist country?

Face it ....China is not a Communist nation anymore.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by zhangxi0183

not to mention the preconception and incomprehension in your expression of china.May i ask you what is Communist?is that the party named Communist Party of China so china is Communist country?

Face it ....China is not a Communist nation anymore.


Well actually I would agree with you here, china moved away from the official 'communist' party line after the fall of the soviet union(which hurt communism everywhere).

china had to adapt to the changes of the world and so have moved away from any type of 'hardcore communism' .



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by Strangerous
I certainly don't hate Americans.

Their country's foreign policy and imperialist designs on the world's reources do, indeed, worry me though.

If the US didn't have such a wierd voting system one could blame the citizens for their politicians but with their current electoral system, corrupt election officials, biased partisan media, and 'votes for cash' political system I don't blame (or hate) them at all.


ermmm...whats that saying on ATS? OH! thats right! deny ignorance.....funny how even people of the west are somewhat ignorant of the way the US works.

'Imperialist'? *shakes head* I think some of the people who post things like this need a political/history class or two.



[edit on 11-2-2006 by XphilesPhan]



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Nakash
It's so hypocritical of the Chinese goverment to call America "imperialist" when they plan on invading Taiwan in the future and occupy Tibet to this day (with 1.2 million dead total due to the occupation). How can China not be communist? Sure there's quite a bit of Capitalist prosperity, but the centralized power and tyranny of communism remains. Examples? Religious persecution (Falun Gong, Christians, anybody that disagrees with the Chinese Goverment), forced abortions on women, horror stories of dissident body parts being sold to foreign nations (there was this "urban legend" which turned out to be true, of the Chinese goverment having this little ambulance/swat team vehicle which would give a Judge Dredd style execution of people causing trouble, then getting a bucket and slopping out their organs). I mean, how can China not be communist when 5000 people died in Tianmen square due to a protest? How can China not be communist when there is no free speech, no freedom of press, state controlled media, and a single party dictatorship? That's communism.


When you said China is plan to invade Taiwan and occupy Tibet.May i ask you about the American Civil War in 1860's?May i ask you about the war between America and Mexico in 1840's,and finally America win California. After that,America make them a great and powerful country.and i appreciate that.will you call that "invasion" or "occupy".not to mention Taiwan and Tibet is part of china long long ago.

Then about the religion part.

First Falun Gong is not a religion neither a "Qi Gong",Falun Gong is a real cult.The only reason that some Americans don't think Falun Gong is not a religion is because they cann't read Chinese.if you can read chinese,then you can go to Falun Gong website and see what they say.I have to notice the Americans who cann't read chinese.The website of Falun Gong in chinese version and in English version is tatally different.and if you want to talk about the Falun Gong,you can start a new thread,and i will come in and talk,here i don't want go any further.

and about the Christ.chinese government doesn't forbidden it in the mainland ,chinese government want make sure they are under controll,though in my opinion,it is unwise.but i would not say,it is Religious persecution.

and for the other part,I don't want to explain one by one.it's full of preconception and the wrong data.though chinese government does have do some wrong things.but that does not make them evil.

in your expression,someone do the wrong things then he is evil,and he is evil ,then he is communist, is it ? then the conclusion is evil=communist.with all due to respect ,but i should say ,it's ridiculous.

and my question for you is,are you Amercans?where you get the date?I don't think you are Americans.are you?



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by HardToGet
Well I can safely say I do not hate Americans, but if anything I do resent that although most Americans are (or at least appear to be) intelligent enough, fail to unite against their tyrranic government. I wish I knew what to advise, I really do not know. But still I like to bitch about it though.


Maybe a thread should be started on solutions to the problem not proof that there is a problem.

To answer zhangxi0183´s question: China scares me because it is a communistic state, plain and simple.

Any state which controls its people the way China does (And the U.S. Cabals would like to do the same in the U.S.) is not free and should be feared, and its people helped by the free states in whatever means we can.

Welcome to ATS zhangxi0183, let´s hope this board remains off China´s Internet blacklist for as long as possible.


thank you for your kindness.and i don't think china is a communist country and then a communist country can also be kindness.so don't be afraid.Though china is less democracy and more centralized, but as long as you know it more.you will find china is very kindness.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by ReginalBigsby
First off, wellcome to the forums!

As to who hates America? I'd have to say, 'who hates the current president?' would be a better question, or who hates american big buisness. I for one am not to fond of President Bush, but hate is far to harsh of a word. It's more like, disaprove. I think that what he's doing is wrong(i.e. the way he's goes about things). Not just that, personaly I think he's a moron.

Like others have said, I don't think that anyone country hates America the most. There is a lot of contempt surounding the current presidency, all throughout the world. For example: I go to Germany every other year. The most recent time I went was this past summer(July-August). I hung out with a lot of different people, and for the first 5 minutes all they wanted to talk about was president Bush. Mainly they wanted to talk about how much he was messing up, and what they would do if they were American citizens.

None of the kids/people I met were truly anti-american. But they all disagreed with Bush's agenda. One kid I met even compared Bush to Hitler
, and that's one thing that you don't really talk about in Germany(people talk about it, but not often). I also spent a week in Paris and a week in Amsterdam. While in France I spoke german, I didn't feel comfortable(not sure why...first time there?). It was also about the time that they were deporting radical Moslim clerics in Paris, that might have triggered my paranoia.

The people I met in Amsterdam were generaly nice too(once you can look past all the hustlers, pimps, and hoes). There isn't much to say about Amsterdam, everyone is trying to sell you something, and all the people in the shops are generaly nice people(got lot's of free lighters, papers, and other odds and ends). They have a very high moslim population in Amsterdam, and not once did I feel threatened. They too, were the same as the german people I met, disaproving of the Bush regime - But not extreme enough to outright hate Americans.

So, my conclusion based on my travels is that the hate of America, portrayed in different medias, is mainly propoganda. Propaganda for what? i don't know. Maybe, to one day out the corporate control of American citizens? That would be nice...wish in one hand and poo in the other...see which one fills first.


your expression is right.and i have change the "country" to "certain group of people"!!!



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by eternally_damaged

Originally posted by zhangxi0183
First,I wanna introduce myself.I'm a Chinese.Yeah.I'm from China.You guys so called "mysterious" and "Communist" country.Though China is not mysterious and neither a Communist country.And you guys may ask,is this the CPC who control the country?The answer is yes.But this doesn't mean china is a Communist country.


I agree its a very common mistake that China is labelled "communist", as far as I'm concerned it's socialist, but is growing ever more capitalist. The label "communist" that is commonly used as a result of the media and education.

Just for the record, there has never been a communist country ever, only socialist states which were installed to create a foundation for communism to eventually begin, based on the works by Karl Marx. The biggest example is the USSR (the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics), which became corrupt when Stalin came to power, as most other socialist states have too.


Originally posted by zhangxi0183
The question is "which country's people really hates Amrican?".I already have my answer,and I want to listen yours.

PS:I'm curious that i found most American in this forum are speaking and expressing the samething which American government is speaking and expressing.And i wanna know is there anyone who has a different thought


I don't think you can generalise that a whole country hates the US, but I think a vast majority of the peoples of the world don't agree with its global position and the government's decisions.

Obviously I cannot speak for all people of the UK, but personnally I am against the US government's decisions and it's imperialism, and I believe it has too great an influence on the world to remain isolationist.

I have not met very many Americans in my life but most of the Americans I've encountered on ATS are friendly, welcoming people and are a pleasure to talk to.


[edit on 10/2/06 by eternally_damaged]


your expression is very good, that what i want to say.thanks!!!



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:08 AM
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Morning Zhang!

Well, I do not blame you for the defensive posts. I think the view of China ´we´as ´free´westeners have is different than yours, simply because of censorship. Are you aware that in your country there are deadly tools for control like the ´Interrogation Bus´? Have you ever heard of Alex Jones?

You can find most of his work on video.google.com (IF you can get through the Chinese firewall that is...)

A few links which give you an example of news we get in the West about China:

Torture in China under the spotlight at the UN
Human Rights Violations in Tibet
Country Profile: China and Tibet
CNN: Risky business in China

Naturally, I am a bit reserved when someone claims that China has changed, even when it is someone from within China.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet...

the people who are jeolous of American freedoms and opportunity...
Of course these same people would often celebrate at the idea of immigrating here...
we used to have quite the problem with that.

It seems that most people in the world that used to envy us, now pity us instead... for good reason...(but they still come)

often it is the countries own citizens who are the last to realize how much they have lost when power changes hands.

Ohhh, and BTW... America isn't so much a land with borders as an ideal of societal operation. If America dissapeared overnight... it would reappear somewhere else within a week... spontaniously...






you are right ,America is rich,and powerful,and many people want to come to america. no one deny this


I really don't hate America,so chill



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
Well, firstly, welcome and enjoy your stay here at ATS.

And I agree with you, China is not a communist country, in fact there has never been a communist country, there have been countries that have some communist ideologies, but most so called communist countries are based on Marxism and Lenninism really.

As for who hates America, well I'm pretty sure 80% of the middle east does, and people in every country in the world, not all of them, but some from each country, in fact there are Americans that hate America, and only stay here because they have to.


Anyways, if anything I said was reminescent of anyone elses post, sorry I only read the first 5 posts, I'm sorta tired.


yeah,you are right!!!



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by hotsheets
I'm pretty sure that if the crazies who are committing the acts of terrorism in the name of Islam want to, they can "find" a reason to hate China.

Impoverished, oppressed people are always vulnerable to propoganda. There is certainly is no lack of such of people in China.

I'm just glad that the Mainland Chinese Commies haven't banned ATS yet haha


First i'm not a Commies.even if I'm a Commies.the "banned" thing is not accord with the American claimed "liberty of speech",is it???



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by hotsheets
Chinese government is lucky that the Tibetans and Fa Luen Gong don't resort to the same fanaticism and violence as the Islamic crazies.



[edit on 11-2-2006 by hotsheets]


Islam is a religion,but Falun Gong is cult.and i know a man from Tibet,seem not so hated china as you said.because he is chinese too.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
Dear zhangxi0183 i think that china in esence is heading to free expresion.
You still have some restrictions there like google can search only a limited amount of information and some sites are restricted but then again you will find that all over the world depends on how your isp is.
China is stuck some how betwen a comunism form and a democratic form.
Something in the middle any way no where compared to north corea which is totaly for freedom opresion.
I think north corea is the only country in the world that still pratice old type comunism.

For united states i dont think you can hate united state because united states is all of us, you can find any culture there and thats what it is, a nation of many nations.
It all depends how you see united states, if you only see the white house then you can end up hateing it, if you look at the united states has a country then it's imposible to hate it(the white house is not united states)
It's only the ones that find reasons acusing a whole country for a pathetic ruler, but i guess those that do are just like him.

I find my self to the point where i might chose to takle the blue pill to escape it all, it's dsiturbing, the realitty of things are monsters of our night mares, monsters are becoming real, a bunch of control freaks cryng like little babys for power screwing with the world like it's a little toy.

My statement does not describe united states it describes only one man or a few that are confused as being united states.
What a confusion.
I can olnly say one thing about U.S citisens, your too cofortable and that's your only mistake.
No one is doing anything, every one thinks they are in wonder land, is ELIVS alive?



[edit on 11-2-2006 by pepsi78]


I have to admit that chinese government make some restrict on internet.though i know they have some reason to do it.but i still think it's unwise.

and about the rest of you said I tally agree with you.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by HardToGet
Morning Zhang!

Well, I do not blame you for the defensive posts. I think the view of China ´we´as ´free´westeners have is different than yours, simply because of censorship. Are you aware that in your country there are deadly tools for control like the ´Interrogation Bus´? Have you ever heard of Alex Jones?

You can find most of his work on video.google.com (IF you can get through the Chinese firewall that is...)

A few links which give you an example of news we get in the West about China:

Torture in China under the spotlight at the UN
Human Rights Violations in Tibet
Country Profile: China and Tibet
CNN: Risky business in China

Naturally, I am a bit reserved when someone claims that China has changed, even when it is someone from within China.





I can understand you about what you said.there are full of the bad news about China.which is half true and half full of preconception.

I do believe it will take a long time to let western people to reunderstand China.It will be a huge project.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 05:50 AM
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almost reply all of the post here,now,i'm kinda of tired.so maybe i will back somedays later!!



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by zhangxi0183
China is just like 1920's America(maybe not exactly).


Except that in 1920's America the Catholic Church was allowed
to exist. NOT a government run fabrication calling itself 'Catholic'
... but the REAL Roman Catholic Church.

Except that in 1920's America there were no forced abortions.
Women weren't forced to murder their pre-born children.

Sorry ... but I don't see the simularity.

To answer your question - Who really hates America?
People who hate America fall into one of these two categories -

1 - Stupid people
2 - Those who THINK they know what America is, but they really don't.

That's it.







 
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