Part of the smokescreen that Intrepid refers to involves corporate lobbyists
putting their "investments" in both
parties...That way, no matter who wins the election, The People lose. Intrepid may bill himself as a "crazy" canuck, but I don't buy that: He's
probably just as sane as I (Interpret that
however you wish).
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
But for the USA's sake, we the people have got to do something to bring us back to the pride and respect that we deserve in the world. and selling
us off slowly aint gonna get there...
In credit for The People though, I do
find indications that a lot of People are seeing through the illusions & standing up to defend against
the harmful truths behind them...You just gotta look a bit harder for that because you'll never see the real truth in mainstream news media
which is, in itself, another corporation that lobbies the government
! It's People like this that wind up living on "the edge" (of the coin),
knowing that they could still get squashed no matter which side the coin flops onto...
Basically, it's the same way that the US Founding Forefathers lived before the War of Independence...
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
This is Divide & Conquer at it's best, & it works, because the ignorant people don't know what that is, a weapon.
This is why I believe that it's very important to keep the internet as a system for maintaining "freedom of expression"...Corporate Comm Companies
are always trying to lobby the government to let them
decide who can see what & when. In the "War for Information," censorship & the ability
access to information is the biggest weapon that they will try to use against us. A "smokescreen" can only try to hide
truth, but information control
can actually destroy the truth & replace it with lies.
What really seems to get lost behind the smokescreen is this question, "When so-called 'enlightened secret societies/elite rulers' fool themselves
into thinking that they seek to enlighten all of humanity, how can humanity become enlightened when all they are shown are lies & deception?"
Originally posted by Gools
The notions of loyalty and treason runs deep in the American psyche built around "patriotism".
In modern times, it seems to me that they've even been able to corrupt the concept of patriotism itself...Instead of being a patriot for the
, people get twisted in being a patriot for the corrupted government instead...That's the ultimate reason for them to create such
"smokescreens" in the first place!
Originally posted by Amuk
during the last election on this board I was called, withen minutes of each other, on two different posts, a Neo-Nazi Bush lover and a commie liberal
I voted for Badnarik.....
Originally posted by intrepid
WHOEVER wins answers to someone other than the voter. THAT'S my point. Same coin, different sides.
No one's accused me of either...I've recognized the two heads on the coin & always vote, "No Confidence."
Originally posted by dgtempe
Beh...... I'll support anyone of either party who is a real president, with our best interests at heart.
This is why I vote the way I do...There's no
corporate-sponsored politician who would
best interests at heart.
Originally posted by niteboy82
People are choosing sides, when at the very basic it is shown that the politicians are more worried about 1. taking control/keeping control of
government, 2. their political careers, 3. the people that line their coffers that help influence their voting through lobbying, campaign
contributions, and propaganda.
This is why I've been saying that there should be no room in this Constitutional Republic
for any kind of career politician: Politics, having
been described as, "the Art of Compromise," never stops to realize that the Constitution itself doesn't leave any room for compromising itself
or compromising Citizen Rights
. And yet, that's exactly what politicians do for a living...Compromise
Originally posted by niteboy82
While our supposed "representatives" are grasping for their political jobs and enjoying the fact that we are too busy fighting each other, to ever
hold them accountable to doing their own jobs.
This is what gets compromised the most: The Constitution describes what is, essentially, a Civil Service job...Politicians are only concerned about
performing "self-service" jobs. I suppose that attitude originates from having so much "corporate sponsorship," where the only thing that matters
is "the bottom line."
Originally posted by semperfortis
Just my opinion now, but I think it all started when being a politician became a job/career.
I do not believe the Founding Fathers meant for anyone to be a professional politician.
Actually, they didn't...The earliest "politicians" in US Government did
take the job as being for Civil Service. I've seen a cute little
story about David Crockett
(yes, THE David Crockett) that seemed to sum up his attitude towards
the job. In a nutshell though, they saw the job as an interruption
of their lives & real
jobs but they did it anyway in the spirit of
public service! They couldn't wait for the end of their terms so that they could get back to their real lives & families! They had no desire to
"make a career" of it!
Originally posted by semperfortis
All I read is agreement after agreement, someone predicting the end to the election process and a "dialectic" approach to resolving the issues. It
is refreshing to find so many like minds in one place, but that is never going to solve or resolve any issues...
...SO I fear that we are stuck with our current system and our only recourse is debates on forums such as this. I sure would change it if I could, but
I am also sure that most of you would not agree with the person I placed in office.
Well, there is another choice left open to US Citizens: It's written in direct words in the Declaration of Independence & backed up a bit more
verbosely in the Constitution:
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it
, and to
institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their Safety and Happiness."
People are working on "alter" but if that fails, guess what? The USA has no business being a "Democracy," it has no business in the spread
of Democracy & it has no business being under control of competing corporate influences (Corporate Facism)...The Constitution demands
Republic form of government & that's what the attempt to "alter" the government should be all about.
Originally posted by Mechanic 32
Um, why is this in the B B & Q ??
Hmmm...I guess it's here because Intrepid started by pointing out that posters should not "attack" other posters...
...But now that you mention it, looks to me like this should get moved over to PTS & the other "general mud-slinging" topics...