The effects of LBRP in H. magick

Ok, I'm fed up with weird things happening to me and have decided to practice magik. I bought a book by one Don Kraigk ages ago and started on it earlier this month.

Man, ceremonial stuff seems to take ages!

Mr Kraigk has actually revealed quite a bit to me about a few of my problems and I want to take to it like a duck to water but I hit some sandpaper the other day.

- The Relaxation R is just meditation, got that part down, can't sleep at night so I meditate quite a bit.

- The R diary is tough to keep but I know why its good to do it so its fine.

- Can't wait to get my cards to divinate cause I'm an indecicive fool at times and I can tell it'd be fun...

Now, I tried the LBRP following Don Kraigks instructions, haven't got my altar yet but he said to do it anyway and not wait... so i did. Going to need work on my visualizations but I was up for quite a bit trying not to offend the Gods drawing penagrams with a 500+ book in my hand. I felt the entering of the gate part... something flashed... I carried on with a few mistakes probably but finished up feeling good.

Fell asleep, I woke up a few hours later and felt good. Had to go to a job interveiw and was A ok... heres where it began and i'm not sure if it was me connecting it to Magik or if anyone is going to keep reading this cause I'm going on a bit, but heres what happened that day;

- I normally buy a child travel card to avoid the upped charge on the buses and trains I'm cheeky like that and it spices up the day. Went to my local train station not too far from me and gave the machine £20. I got my train card and £15 in 50 and 20 pence coins. Lame. I made my fustration audiable and a man passed laughing saying that it had just happened to him, a bit of comedy for the day.

-Waited in line at the local bank (had a lot of coins man!) but was in a hurry and decided to go to another one where I was recived by a rude byatch of a counter girl, I was all chatty and nice and got air back for it.

Fine, no stress don't like that bank anyway, stupid woman.

-Got on the bus. Ok I should have an adult card but the driver didn't know that as I have a fake student card... he asked to see the date... i showed him.. he asked again saying that it was too small... I showed him and stated that it wasn't my fault that the ticket print is small... he told me to, ''go sit down'' just as a minature hitler would... I then kicked up some fuss as he threw his attitude at me.. I asked him to apologise or I'd complain...

''Whateva! - I'm at the top mate! - I aint got a' badge! - You're wasting your credit! - Do I really care! - Yeah!? - Go sit down! - Yeah!? - Yeah!?... Whateva!''

... I phoned up the depot and registered my complaint and got off the bus.

By now I'm late for my interveiw, not that I mind as I don't really want a job.

- On the train now reeling from a slightly bad day when... a ticket inspector gets on... He clocks my fake student pass and child ticket and kindly escorts me off of the train no where near my stop. I end up having to buy another pass... Got the wrong one and all in all ended up coming home without a job and stone broke for it.

I also spun out on the train back, felt all dizzy and depressed suddenly.

Am I cursed?
Did I banish something that was protecting me?
Was that one serious bout of Karma flying up my anus?
Is it possible to get the LBRP wrong and offend a god of some kind?
Was that just any other day or not?

Please help! I've not gotten back into it since cause I really did spin out on the way back home that day and it scared me.

Anyone on here know about the LBRP and its consequences?

Thanks
A Rebel-Cub after reciving quite a battering.

Originally posted by Rebel_Lion
I bought a book by one Don Kraigk ages ago and started on it earlier this month.

Donald Michael Kraig doesn't have a 'k' on the end of his name. And so you know where I'm coming from I have been practicing Ceremonial Magick for almost 20 years.

Man, ceremonial stuff seems to take ages!

He he... and you haven't even really started it yet. Don't get flustered the LRBP will get so easy you can do it in your sleep.

- The Relaxation R is just meditation, got that part down, can't sleep at night so I meditate quite a bit.

Actually it's just the prelude to mediation.

- The R diary is tough to keep but I know why its good to do it so its fine.

Among the other benefits it forces you to use your Will/ self-discipline.

Now, I tried the LBRP following Don Kraigks instructions, haven't got my altar yet but he said to do it anyway and not wait... so i did.

Alter = TV tray for now will work fine.

Am I cursed?

No you were stealing services and got caught, end of story.

Did I banish something that was protecting me?

Not likely.. odds are at this point your LBRP is just play acting (No offense, it takes some time to learn, then some time for it to really work)

Anyone on here know about the LBRP and its consequences?

The LBRP is a safe ritual. That's why it is given as the first one to learn by pretty much every magical order. The one side effect is what Kraig calls "Little Nasties" read about it in his book.

Some advice.. Continue doing the early rituals.. but read the entire book before you start following his lesson plan. Also take his advice and read the other books he recommends. then read the books they recommend, and so on and so on.

yes your going to end up with a TON of books.

Remember that Kraig presents just one of many different techniques to effect the Will. Most of the rituals are meant to put you in that "special" mindset. Easier to direct the will if you have to do something special each time. Plus it tends to weed out the poeple not willing to put forth the effort
Its 99% effort 1% effect is how it works. you have to spend effort into the act or it not going to happen. Just mumbling a bunch of words and waiting doesn't usually work very well. there has to be intent.

Just my 2 bits

-Aza

Oh by the way, for those who don't know what the LBRP (Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram) is here is a link to it www.asiya.org...

No you were stealing services and got caught, end of story.

It was weird though.

I got battered around like some bean bag in a tumbledryer. Ok, stealing services but I got wiped like a car windscreen on a rainy day... Like a round stone in a kids play ground, I got kicked... A pair of cheap shoes on a gravel path, worn dowwwn! A Limestone statue in acid rain....

Sorry.

Karma sucks.

Thanks for the info though....

What do you think of things like this?

A theory, a person can be given knowledge without even reading/doing anything... inspiration? Knowledge through mind reading? Internal knowledge?
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Saying things/thinking and describing an incident and it happening. Literally all out, as in a person describing the future one night and it happening exactly as described the next day. Sycronicity? Precog?
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People with weird eyes, its as though they can hypnotise people in the middle of a conversation. Really weird, women go all funny and fall into them like they're a popular teen fan and they're little girls again. They can also send energy with their eyes like some kind of pulse that hits people making them feel intimidated instantly. They can make anyone feel attracted to them, anyone as in whole train carriages of people as a test of what they can do.
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Don't get flustered the LRBP will get so easy you can do it in your sleep

Literally huh?

Is it really better to do it that way? I've heard it works better.

Can these ''little nastys'' manifest through fear and actually get you? I'm a really humble 22 year old, sorry if my inner child is screaming at you... just a few more...

Do you have to do things in any order? The relaxation r is lame... can I just do the Lbrp, prehaps some tarot reading and the sun rituals? Mix and match kinda thing... is chaos magik bad?

Thanks for the info, I guess I'll carry on with the Rs' tomorrow.

Bless
Rebel-lion



[edit on 10-2-2006 by Rebel_Lion]

[edit on 10-2-2006 by Rebel_Lion]

Originally posted by Rebel_Lion
Karma sucks.

It wasn't karma. Traditionally Karma only manifests in your next incarnation.

What do you think of things like this?
::snip::

What do "I" think? I think it's nothing but new-age claptrap. But what I think doesn't matter one whit.

Is it really better to do it that way? I've heard it works better.

If you mean doing it astrally yep it works.. but if you can't do it right in the "real world" you can't do it right astrally.

Can these ''little nastys'' manifest through fear and actually get you?

Nope they are just harmless random events.

Do you have to do things in any order?

Yes you do.

The relaxation r is lame... can I just do the Lbrp, prehaps some tarot reading and the sun rituals? Mix and match kinda thing...

Yep Kraig's version is lame.. but it works. Feel free to try a yogic version if it suits you better. But do it. when your starting it's more about the self-discipline that comes from routinely doing the rituals than any magical effects. If you "cheat" now you wont learn/grow.

is chaos magik bad?

Nope, just different (but related) from Ceremonial Magick.

One more thing. Ceremonial Magick will be the hardest thing you have ever attempted. I'd bet that 99% of the people who are interested never get past the basics when it comes time to stop reading and start doing.

[edit on 2/10/2006 by Cug]

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[edit on 11-2-2006 by Rebel_Lion]

I agree with Cug.

The path you've chosen to walk is a long one. Don't expect massive things happening because there are years of studying and experimenting ahead of you. After 3-5 years of intense theoretical study you've only scratched the surface of what there is to learn.

Kraig is an author which tells in easy to understand english and concepts of how to get started. After a while you can literally do the LBRP in your dreams and eventually you'll also find out how it works excactely and how to optimize it so that it suits your style better. It all takes time and dedication however.

Yeah, I can near enough lucid dream already. Can't wait to get it down properly though. Have you heard of Carlos Constenada? He has a few books in which he kinda teaches people how to do things.

I might even take a class on Shamanism! lol. I'm a revolutionary but I've gotta rate the west for what you can go to college and learn man. I was shocked when I found out that you can take a class in shamanism as well as black magik and other weird,

''who'd wanna do that?!''

stuff, its brilliant.

Take such classes with big grains of salt. The only true way is by studying it yourself and figuring it out yourself, not from what others did before you. What applies to them does not apply to you seeing that we're all individuals. Delve into many aspects and many different life philosophies.

I've read the serie by Carlos Costenada. He writes about Don Juan, not the "loverman" but the shaman and wise man. Very interesting to read.

Do you think its possible to learn and try and get to those gates he mentions? He talks about the shodow people as well... those little buggers are always visiting our plane, I think we should all bum rush theirs and grab what we can! (within reason)

reply to post by Rebel_Lion
Rebel, not knowing your experience in magick, I will speak simply. The LBRP is a system to cleanse and prepare a sacred space, just like a path in the woods which is easily followed. The energies involved are knowledgeable in the role they play and are extremely flexible in regards with which the enexperienced practioner performs this ceremony. I say practice the LBRP so that when you prepare a sacred space your hands and mind are free of distractions. Your physical and mental presense is important in how you address these energies, with respect and a firm authority, not overbearing. The ceremony relies alot on the pronunciation and vibrational energies generated, just don't say "ATAH", but "AAHHHTAAHH", streach it out. Feel the vibrations within your throat as you express, this word. In recognizing these vibrations, feel how each travels within your physical and mental state. I really don't know how much more I should go on. Do you actually understand the meanings of the words and names of God you are calling upon? If you care to discuss with me directly, I am more than willing to help you express yourself in a clear and proper form within the sacred space. I can go on forever, those things that happened the next day is just life in general and might have been worse if you had not done your ritual. May the Blessings of Our Goddess and Her Consort be with you and yours, knowing yourself and the universal energies around you and the those generated within the physical and spiritual world we live can resolve much, but it is you who are the key to resolve them. Don't give up, just like getting a job you don't always get one the first time out. [snip]

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