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Originally posted by daedalas
I know what the conflict must look like to people, with the biased media giving us the story. But, I have recently been thinking it may not be the palestine side that is evil.
Due to the recent elections which brought the Hamas into power in palestine, nation that were thinking about helping palestine just said forget it. no country wants anything to do with a country whose government is nothing but a bunch of terrorists. But if you think about it, what choice did we give these people?
When the Israelis came back to Israel and told the palestinians to leave and the Palestinians refused, a major conflict was started. The Israelis tried to kick out the palestinians only because they claim god gave them the land, whose the religious fanatics again?
Once the war started, the United States and Europe backed the Israelis because they have similar religious beliefs.
with the help of Europe and the U.S., Israel was able to fight a war with palestine and with many other neighboring middle eastern countries who were outraged by this invasion. The palestinians, facing superior technology and training of foreign countries, tried the only effective remaining way to fight a war that they could think of, thus terrorism and fundamentalism.
So in a way we created terror and turned the middle eastern countries against us by backing the Israelis.
Also Clintons stunt in Lebanon only angered the middle east further, possibly leading to the 9/11 attacks. The war in Iraq and most of the problems therein all stem from this conflict in some obscure way.
I wonder if knowing what we know now, would the U.S. and Europe would side with palestine instead. IMHO it would have been a good decision to just stay out of it.
Has Israel ever called for palestine, iran, iraq or saudie to be blown away?
More Israeli Jews favor transfer of Palestinians, Israeli Arabs - poll finds
Some 46 percent of Israel's Jewish citizens favor transferring Palestinians out of the territories, while 31 percent favor transferring Israeli Arabs out of the country, according to the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies' annual national security public opinion poll.
In 1991, 38 percent of Israel's Jewish population was in favor of transferring the Palestinians out of the territories while 24 percent supported transferring Israeli Arabs.
When the question of transfer was posed in a more roundabout way, 60 percent of respondents said that they were in favor of encouraging Israeli Arabs to leave the country. The results of the survey also reveal that 24 percent of Israel's Jewish citizens believe that Israeli Arabs are not loyal to the state, compared to 38 percent who think the Arabs were loyal to the state at the beginning of the intifada.
Originally posted by ludaChris
The transferring of Arabs out of Israel is a security issue. Its not about destroying them. It says nothing of an ethnic clensing. It says remove them from Israeli territory. You got me dizzy with the spin you tried to put on that one.
Originally posted by ludaChris
Sorry partner, wrong again. Swing and a miss strike 2. Technically ethnic cleansing can include genocide as well.
“ ...[a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
The Jews have been beaten around and tossed back and forth for thousands of years. They were persecuted almost relentlessly by European Christians, and tolerated (for the most part) by Arabs/Muslims, historically at least.
I gotta think the Jews have consistently gotten the short end of the violence stick, for thousands of years. That fact alone doesn't justify their actions over the last 50 or so years, but it really does put the transgression into context.