Intelligent Design Is Just As Valid A Theory As Evolutionism, page 27

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reply posted on 21-10-2006 @ 01:55 PM by melatonin

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Melatonin,

So I see you decided to give up on trying to put down the theory of The Big Bang.

Wise decision.

I never was...

Are we to assume then that your are espousing the idea that The Big Bang occurred through evolution? With no Higher Power or God to initiate it?

I don't know, that's why I'm am agnostic verging on atheist

I prefer Turok & Steinhardt's cyclic model. It needs no higher power

Oh that's right. You really don't know what being an evolutionist is.

Originally posted by melatonin ...isn't 'evolutionist' a vacuous word that has no real meaning?

Only to those who are ignorant to its definition.

Evolutionism Defined

And from the definition you linked...

noun 1. a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, esp. in biology.
2. a person who supports a policy of gradual growth or development rather than sudden change or expansion.

So, theists, deists, and atheists can be 'evolutionists', which was what I originally thought. Therefore your statement that 'there is no god in the evolutionist paradigm' is garbage, you are just referring to atheism.

I understand why you feel the need to associate the two concepts, you and other IDers try to discredit ToE any which way you can. It would be easier if you just said that.

Originally posted by melatonin
Deists...will reject the 'theory' of intelligent design.

Wrong.

ID has strong Christian and Deist supporters. The very foundation of Deism can be used to further the theory of Intelligent Design.

Are we talking about the 'theory' of intelligent design, you know the one where a god comes down from his cloud and interacts with the world, creating flagella, blood cascades, consciousness, or just the classical deist god who kicked it all off (which, if you noticed, I said before)? I understand that deism requires a cosmic-daddy who plays with the 'cosmic universe creator (TM)' machine's knobs to create a universe that allows the laws of physics to enable life.

Do you now need to have a definition of Christian and Deist?

Nah, I'm happy I know what my version of those are. Not sure about yours though.

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reply posted on 21-10-2006 @ 02:25 PM by Englishgent

if there was a ID

ask yourself why would the designer design

'why' is a great word which can never be answered

but we always ask, as we need to understand why and who we are and are place in the universe

so we have different theory's, but our intelligence ( a human defined word for what we believe to be are conscience) can not comprehend what might be.

we ask questions, but maybe if we dont ask questions there is no answers. maybe not everything has to have reason or cause, it just is

reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 04:04 AM by Methuselah

ask yourself why would the designer design

sounds like someone finally figured out that God knew that if there wasnt signs of design, there would be no sign of him.

reply posted on 29-9-2008 @ 06:40 AM by The Matrix Traveller

reply to post by Paul_Richard

But do Human Primates accept, the probability that the Universe they see, is perhaps only one of so many different Universes, it would be impossible to count them and that the Universe they are experiencing is only the result of an Intelligent program, that produces the story in an interactive geometric form.

And do Human Primates consider the possibility that there is quite probably other innumerable worlds may also exist, that do not represent anything like a Universe!

Any thoughts on this?

[edit on 29-9-2008 by The Matrix Traveller]

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