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posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Anyone here who thinks that the actual war part with Iran is in any way questionable doesn't know squat about the US Military


That's for sure. If the U.S. didn't care about world opinion it could level Iran in about 30 min. As for those that think they can bury their weapons and safeguard them from attack, why do you think that the Russians and U.S. spend billions of dollars each year to keep a sizable portion of their nuclear weapons roaming the seas in submarines? Why not just bury you missiles so no one can get them? Because, it doesn't work. The only true protection is stealth and secrecy.




posted on Feb, 12 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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Can someone tell me what two countries is Iran between. Follow the yellow brick road! Thats right Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure we get daily reports on how many people die in Iraq and how the Administration messed up over and over again. Someone define a war won and is a war won in years? The mission of this war in Iraq was getting rid of the government. Sort of like the Brits and the IRA for years or Israel and Palestine they have to live with this sort of terror (government disruptions) day in and day out. Also, take a moment and think about technologies of defense when was stealth used when did we find out. No you are not going to find out current defense technologies as they happen. 20 -30 years from now you will learn about defense tech used today.
Someone mentioned Japan and the USA, but not only the USA many other countries A New Rising Sun looks to be rising from the west.



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by longbow
5. Russia and China would be also not involved. No matter what some people say Iran is not worth much for either country. Especially the Russian involvement with Iran is heavily overestimated.


I disagree, Iran is worth billions to Russia, in nuclear tech sales and arms sales. They aren't just going to let billions of easy dollars go....that's something some retarded country would do. Or a really wasteful country like USA.


Originally posted by longbowChinese need the Iran because of oil, but they need the US friendship much more - their trade with US is almost 250 billion$


What you're forgetting, is that the US needs China just as much, if not more.


Originally posted by longbowThe war with US


What? Why do people consider that China or Russia or anyone else would have to go into a direct war with USA to help Iran?

Why not send trainloads of weapons system to Iran instead?


Originally posted by longbow Besides they have not the common border with Iran, which means their army would have to march through middle Asia and Afganistan to get there.


Not really. They do not have to go through Afganistan at all, and all (or most) countries there are Russian allies, and would let the Chinese go through to get to Iran gladly.

At the very least, they could use Khazakstan and the Caspin Sea, Khazakstan is a very close ally of Russia, so they wouldn't mind either.


Originally posted by pepsi78
I'm not surprised if bush drafts people,


Niether...just all the better for the democrats.


Originally posted by u4ria
first off who says theres goning to be a war ? more than likely there would be a few Air strikes at key instalations.


How do you supose a plane flies into an area with 100 SAMs without gettng shot down? Magic?


Originally posted by u4ria
But a war that will be over quickly i doubt it, just look at afghanistan / iraq, also Russia with there high tech weapons couldnt defeat afghanistan in the late 70's 80's


Wasn't Russia, was the SU and it was completely different.

You could compare that to Vietnam...the US with all their high tech crap lost that war.


Originally posted by WestPoint23
This thread has really given me quite a laugh reading some of the uneducated posts regarding the US Military.


Me too.


Originally posted by WestPoint23Anyone here who thinks that the actual war part with Iran is in any way questionable doesn't know squat about the US Military


I bet to differ.

Anyone who thinks that a war with Iran would be "over within a month or even weeks" doesn't squat abou squat.


When the US invades Iran, will be the day the US falls as a superpower.

Their defeat in Iran would be even more embarassing than the Vietnam defeat - and btw. they didn't use nukes them, and they won't use them now.

If only George Bush had a brain....



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 03:09 AM
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Manincloak, you seem pretty sure that the US can not defeat the Iranian Military. I have one question for you. Are you kidding? 5% of our airforce could squash, their armor, take out their airforce before it gets off the ground, and take out their nuke program without a boot being put on the ground(besides special forces). Then you throw the US Navy into the equation. Cruise missile strikes, bombardment, mining of harbors, which all adds up to controlling the sea as well as the air. Which ensures victory any way you slice it.

The goal here isnt occupation, it is a military defeat which the US can easily deliver without getting its allies involved at all. Having allies there would be nice though, and as the cards fall, it looks as though there will be. If there is any action taken, I say it will be an air campaign, and wont last very long at all. It will last a few weeks to two months at the most, depending on targets and intel on their locations being delivered. Which I would imagine is already on hand.



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Manincloak
When the US invades Iran, will be the day the US falls as a superpower.

Their defeat in Iran would be even more embarassing than the Vietnam defeat - and btw. they didn't use nukes them, and they won't use them now.

The Vietnam "defeat" had more to do with politics than it had to do with our military.

And who said anything about invading Iran?
If we were to invade and occupy then you'd probably see something similar to what's going on in Iraq, but if it's strictly fight and get out...it'd be over fairly quickly like the first Gulf War....



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

And who said anything about invading Iran?
If we were to invade and occupy then you'd probably see something similar to what's going on in Iraq, but if it's strictly fight and get out...it'd be over fairly quickly like the first Gulf War....


but whats to stop iranians from going over the boarder to you guys to start wars wherever you have millitry bases are if you attack there country.

all the scenaro's ive seen and read to do with iran are based around the scene of iranians getting ariel bombed and the iranians running around like a bucnh of headless chickens in there own country with minimal to no retaliation and with minimal air defence capabilities and iran firing a few shahab 3d missiles at israel.

these all ignore the fact iran has enough ballistic missiles of other types apart from the shahab type missiles which can decimate NATO/american bases in the immediate region upto 1000km away. and with sahab type missiles they can reach upto 2200km.

take a look at the ballitic missile table that i made in the other thread where i showed the missiles that iran makes/imports also the numerous cruise missiles and surface to air missiles that iran has :

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 12:50 PM
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but whats to stop iranians from going over the boarder to you guys to start wars wherever you have millitry bases are if you attack there country.


About 140,000 US Troops sitting right next door to them, not to mention the dozens of USAF bases in the region combined with the fifth fleet. Iranians have no capability to project their power, their best bet would be a defensive war, case and point the Iran-Iraq War.


these all ignore the fact iran has enough ballistic missiles of other types apart from the shahab type missiles which can decimate NATO/american bases in the immediate region upto 1000km away. and with sahab type missiles they can reach upto 2200km.


First, you’re under the assumption that these missiles would still be intact after the air strikes. And you also assume that US Anti-Missile batteries are non existent, don't be too sure of that.

You’re also overestimating the accuracy of these missiles, and you're overestimating how many will function correctly when its time to launch. Combine that with tying to launch the missiles with your command and control system destroyed and you have one mess of a situation.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by WestPoint23]



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by iqonx
but whats to stop iranians from going over the boarder to you guys to start wars wherever you have millitry bases are if you attack there country.

The fact that we're attacking them would stop them. Unless they attack those bases first, it wouldn't make sense to go attack our bases in other countries instead of defending your own country.


all the scenaro's ive seen and read to do with iran are based around the scene of iranians getting ariel bombed and the iranians running around like a bucnh of headless chickens in there own country with minimal to no retaliation and with minimal air defence capabilities and iran firing a few shahab 3d missiles at israel.

these all ignore the fact iran has enough ballistic missiles of other types apart from the shahab type missiles which can decimate NATO/american bases in the immediate region upto 1000km away. and with sahab type missiles they can reach upto 2200km.

take a look at the ballitic missile table that i made in the other thread where i showed the missiles that iran makes/imports also the numerous cruise missiles and surface to air missiles that iran has :

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Your ignoring the fact that the US alone (not counting any allies with us) has enough conventional firepower to completely destroy Iran, not just it's bases, but the whole country.
Any action that anyone takes against Iran will concentrate on it's ability to strike back first. I don't think anyone is expecting Iran to just run around doing nothing, but if we were to go to war with Iran, the first wave of attacks would be devestating enough to force Iran to concentrate mainly on defense, not be on the offensive.



(also, do you want me to show you how many missiles the US makes and how many cruise, air to surface, and air to air missiles the US alone has compared to Iran?)



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
About 140,000 US Troops sitting right next door to them, not to mention the dozens of USAF bases in the region combined with the fifth fleet. Iranians have no capability to project their power, their best bet would be a defensive war, case and point the Iran-Iraq War.


those 140,000 US troops and dozens of air bases can barely stop stop poorly trainned infiltrators and insurgents comming into iraq from syria. what makes you think you can stop professional commandos and soldiers sneaking in from iran through jungle and mountain regions into iraq.

you assume you will be better against iran when you guys arnt even doing an adiqite job in iraq.


Originally posted by WestPoint23
First, you’re under the assumption that these missiles would still be intact after the air strikes. And you also assume that US Anti-Missile batteries are non existent, don't be too sure of that.



i highly dought you guys have the positioning of each and every missile. you guys didnt even have the positioning of the iraqi scuds during gulf war 1 and he only had a handfull and was able to launch about 150 missiles at saudi arabia,israel,kuwait etc... the SAS and other SF had to go onto the ground and find them and hunt them down and it took alot of time and saddam hussian used up alot of his missiles by that time anyway on the other hand iran has thousands of different ballistic missiles ranging from 90km to 2200km and the newly purchased missiles from north korea which have a range of upto 2500km.

you seem to have over confidence in your countries capabilities to stop those missiles. i dought youre country even knows where 25% of those missiles are.

how many anti-missile batteries do you guys have and how many TMD missiles do you guys have. i dought you guys have enough to stop all the missiles becuase even then you guys have to worry about the "portable" artillery rockets and 81mm/120mm mortars there commandos/guerillas will fire against american bases. there is simply no way you guys can counter act all there missiles even with allied help.


Originally posted by WestPoint23
You’re also overestimating the accuracy of these missiles, and you're overestimating how many will function correctly when its time to launch. Combine that with tying to launch the missiles with your command and control system destroyed and you have one mess of a situation.


you are underestimating there accuracy. iran has many SCUD-D type ballistic missiles with a CEP of under 100m. they also have chinese M11 ballistic missiles with CEP from 200m(M11a)-600m(m11). they also have the designs and prototype solid rocket fuel motors for there sahab missiles that they designed last year which they should of by now put into full scale productions which would signifcantly help improve accuracy.

also you have to factor in Irans land attack cruise missiles which are significantly more accuracte then ballistic missiles which could also be used to attack land targets and these have ranges from 120km to a massive 2500km with the kh-55 missiles.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by iqonx]



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
The fact that we're attacking them would stop them. Unless they attack those bases first, it wouldn't make sense to go attack our bases in other countries instead of defending your own country.




Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Your ignoring the fact that the US alone (not counting any allies with us) has enough conventional firepower to completely destroy Iran, not just it's bases, but the whole country.
Any action that anyone takes against Iran will concentrate on it's ability to strike back first. I don't think anyone is expecting Iran to just run around doing nothing, but if we were to go to war with Iran, the first wave of attacks would be devestating enough to force Iran to concentrate mainly on defense, not be on the offensive.


this is where you assume they will just stay in there country and defend and if this is what you guys expect you guys will be shocked when iranian troops greet you soldiers in arab countries and possibly even in south asia with ballistic missiles and rocket artillery, Anti-tank land-mines,cruise missiles, wire guided anti-tank missiles, RPG's, 81/120mm mortar fire and 12.7mm sniper fire.

dont assume iran will just act like eveyr other force you guys have met. iran is easily the most best armed force youre country has ever faced altough they still fall well short of the majority of modern millitrys and NATO forces. they still pack a punch with there woepons 12.7mm sniper rifles and heavy modern anti-tank missiles like toophan and At-5 alone are some weopons you guys have never faced also combine this witht he fact iranians actually have modern thermal vision and night vision equipment which allows them to see at night should be worrying for your country since it has never faced a millitry that can see at night.

dont assume you country is strong by what it did to iraq. if iran uses poor tactics iran will get destroyed if iran uses good tactics your country ill be left humilliated.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
(also, do you want me to show you how many missiles the US makes and how many cruise, air to surface, and air to air missiles the US alone has compared to Iran?)


you can show me all your countries weopons(i already know how much you have BTW) i still doesnt make a difference to what iran has. it didnt make a difference to the scud lanches in the first gulf war becuase troops still had to be sent on the ground to find the launchers.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by iqonx]



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by iqonx
this is where you assume they will just stay in there country and defend and if this is what you guys expect you guys will be shocked when iranian troops greet you soldiers in arab countries and possibly even in south asia with ballistic missiles and rocket artillery, Anti-tank land-mines,cruise missiles, wire guided anti-tank missiles, RPG's, 81/120mm mortar fire and 12.7mm sniper fire.

Iran isn't stupid.
Or maybe they are, if they do that.
If start attacking other countries, what do you think those countries will do?
Just sit back and let them attack? No, they would just be added to the list of coalition forces. Iran really wouldn't stand a chance then.


dont assume iran will just act like eveyr other force you guys have met. iran is easily the most best armed force youre country has ever faced

Get real man. You're WAY overestimating Iran. Why?
What's your love affair with Iran about? Or do you just want to see the US fail?

Germany and Japan >>> Iran



altough they still fall well short of the majority of modern millitrys and NATO forces. they still pack a punch with there woepons 12.7mm sniper rifles and heavy modern anti-tank missiles like toophan and At-5 alone are some weopons you guys have never faced also combine this witht he fact iranians actually have modern thermal vision and night vision equipment which allows them to see at night should be worrying for your country since it has never faced a millitry that can see at night.

lol, you can list all that Iran has all you want. Still doesn't take away from the fact that the US is still 1-2 decades ahead technology wise and has a TON more firepower.


dont assume you country is strong by what it did to iraq. if iran uses poor tactics iran will get destroyed if iran uses good tactics your country ill be left humilliated.

lol, what are you basing your thoughts on? Because they certainly aren't reality. And why not compare Iraq? After the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was in much better shape militarily than Iran and still had the fourth largest army in the world, yet they were defeated in less than a month.


you can show me all your countries weopons(i already know how much you have BTW) i still doesnt make a difference to what iran has.

Exactly. The weapons Iran has doesn't come close to what the US and it's allies have.

I really do want to know why you're going on and on about Iran's weapons and how the US will be "humiliated."
I know that's what you want to happen, but do you honestly think that you're being realistic?



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 03:58 PM
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those 14,000 US troops and dozens of air bases can barely stop stop poorly trainned infiltrators and insurgents comming into iraq from syria. what makes you think you can stop professional commandos and soldiers sneaking in from iran through jungle and mountain regions into iraq.

you assume you will be better against iran when you guys arnt even doing an adiqite job in iraq.


Can you back up you comment concerning these vast number of insurgents coming in from Iran?

And let me just say that Iran would not be able to send in a large amount of troops into Iraq nor would they be able to send in a huge quantity of weapons, or weapons systems. The Iran-Iraq border would be highly watched and patrolled in such a conflict via US drones, aircraft, and satellites. Not to mention that if Iran did indeed go ahead with such action it would give the US the right to send land and air assets into Iranian territory to further shut down the border, this is something which is not currently happening.


i highly dought you guys have the positioning of each and every missile. you guys didnt even have the positioning of the iraqi scuds during gulf war 1 and he only had a handfull and was able to launch about 150 missiles at saudi arabia,israel,kuwait etc... the SAS and other SF had to go onto the ground and find them and hunt them down and it took alot of time and saddam hussian used up alot of his missiles by that time anyway on the other hand iran has thousands of different ballistic missiles ranging from 90km to 2200km and the newly purchased missiles from north korea which have a range of upto 2500km.


We have the Iraq-Iran border to use as a forward platform to launch drones and other surveillance aircraft to patrol Iranian territory for mobile missile launchers. This isn't 91, our assets from satellites to manned fighters are better equipped to track mobile launchers. By the way I fully expect US Spec Ops to be sent into Iran for exactly this and other purposes.

Also, all US theater bases have Ant-Aircraft and Ant-Missile battery's in place, these bases would be further equipped with defensives system in the event of such a conflict. US Warships in the region can also provide Anti-Missile defense for some US bases.

Last, Iran’s missiles don't have the accuracy to effectively hit US bases consistently, their best bet would be to lob them toward cities. Look at 91 and how many Iraqi scuds hit US bases.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by WestPoint23]



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 04:08 PM
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With our satelite we can basiclly see every move of U.S. troops through out middle east. Don't forget their navy is also well in our range and with them so close to us it be no hesitation to launch any missiles at them. Now i'm not disrespecting anybody here from the US or their military nor do I want to see a war which could be fixed through diplomacy, I just think negotations are hard as they come and take alot of time. Were even having a meeting with Russia about the backing of their proposal again, so lets see how it goes.

[edit on 13-2-2006 by Bozorgh]



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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Lets stop and think about this........

War with Iran has many unknown aspects to it..........we know Iran's retoric is to retaliate to any attack with an all out effort..............the question is what do they have that we don't know about??

They've been in bed with cash starved Russia in weapons for oil trading and oil hungry China for some time and to the tune of many billions of dollars..........

I believe a strike at Iran is risking the lighting of a fuse of potential nuclear escalation........

Escalation of war through conventional means takes days and weeks to establish the logistics in place for a strike, giving time to think and contemplate about each successive step through potential negoiations.............but escalation of war with nuclear weapons can take just hours for a counterstrike of significance to compound the issues.......

Here is a worse case senario of what I could see happening.........

March 20 - Iran opens world oil trading bource with euro dollars as the standard of exchange.........as a result, Japan, China and Russia switch to significant currency reserves in euros........they exchange US dollars which come flooding back to the US......also, Japan and China begin to sell off their dollar investments held in US debt instruments such as treasury bonds they and all other countries begin to pull out their dollar asset investments in the US stock market, bond market and realestate...........The result of these actions? The US stock market crashs......program trading is instituted but the pressure is too much and the market closes to prevent a complete collapse......The US bond market collapses.....interests go through the roof and causes the housing bubble to burst.........overnight millions of Americans in leveraged debt through home equity loans find themselves uncertain of their future.........

March - April - The US intiates military action against Iran in conjunction with Isreal claiming nuclear weapon threats by Iran as the primary reason for the preemptive strikes..........Large scale aerial bombing is utilized by US forces.....including tactic nuclear weapons..........the world is outraged by the action while many nuclear states are on pins and needles with high alerts......

April - May - Iran counter attacks the US and Isreal by bombing Isreal........Iran hits a US carrier group and sinks an aircraft carrier.....Iran decides to blow up a few tankers in the straight of hormoz which blocks the oil transport lanes of middle east oil trade.............Iran hits US troops in Iraq with missles.....overnight the price of gas goes to 3-4-5-6....above $8 a gallon..........The US is involved in an escalating Iranian war with Isreal, Britian and Austriala coming to the side of the US.......Iran through its weapons and oil program with Russia and its oil infrastructure investments with China see those two countries covertly "side with Iran" and support their cause.......

June - The US economy is collasping...millions are going broke and close to being homeless, gas is in rare supply, all forms of the free market have slowed or ceased in the US......Major exchange in the middle east has turned nuclear with Isreal hard hit by nukes from Iran rumored to be supplied by Russia......China takes the opportunity to attack Taiwan while the US is spread thin and compromised in the middle east........Isreal launches its nukes throughout the Arab and Persian world. Large scale nulcear war in the middle east and US economic woes is collasping the world's economy......Europe staying out of the conflict is now involved with some countries siding with the US and others with Iran.....Pakestan has sided with Iran while India looks to side with the US to counterattack Pakestan....as a result those two neighboring country are releasing nuclear exchanges at each other.........

July through 2006 - A full scale war is underway throughout all the middle east, parts of Asia and south europe.............then the US is hit by China/Russian effort losing major cities in the West coast.........the US retalitates with full scale nuclear response through the Eastern hemisphere........society as we know it for the future is uncertain.......The US is under totalitarian martial law rule and the constitution has been nullified.....

2007 and beyond - Your guess is as good as mine.......the world enters a new dark age where disease, famine and nuclear fallout is a common occurence among all nations....anarchy in all advanced civilized society is now the rule for those not under direct military rule by the isolated government forces........

...America......the American dream and prosperity is a thing of the past...........getting enough to eat for one more day without being shot or beat by someone is the goal of a short, brutal and depressing existance..........at this point a one world government could rise out of the ashes and take over all humans on Earth and we'd have that 1984 totalitarian rule that Orwelle warned us about....

and that is the worst case senario as I see it with the middle east right now..........the scary thing is that it would be very easy for the powers to be of the countries of the world to allow this kind of escalation to get out of hand and cause any number of escalation degrees within the senario I have painted above....

Especially when the ruling class in Iran is convenienced the world will end in two years and they are going to cause it!!!

Hopefully the CIA can conduct a covert operation and take out the ruling Mullahs of Iran...but we would still have to content with Russia, China and all of Europe if we try to switch Iran over to petroUS dollars....

......seems to me that the US has economically painted itself in a corner with their attempts to dominate the world.........

No matter what happens, an attack or not.......Iran intends to play with Western imperialism and make a go at our PNAC strategy.......



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 04:52 PM
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With our satelite we can basiclly see every move of U.S. troops through out middle east. Don't forget their navy is also well in our range and with them so close to us it be no hesitation to launch any missiles at them.


Oh my goodness, you defiantly need to rethink this post, your claim about Iranian satellite capability is very very flawed.



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Germany and Japan >>> Iran


that was in a different time. secondly you guys didnt win the war. it was a group effort of about 12 different countries even south asian countries troops where registering witht he british millitry from indian etc... against germany.

japan on the other hand was hardly a super power. and you guys just basically bombed the crap out of there civillians.



Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

lol, you can list all that Iran has all you want. Still doesn't take away from the fact that the US is still 1-2 decades ahead technology wise and has a TON more firepower.


it doesnt really matter how many generations ahead you guys are becuase your tanks are still metal tanks and you aircraft are still aircraft. anti-tank missiles will take care of your countries tanks and surface to air missiles will take care of some of youre aircraft altough i suspect certain aircraft will be untouchable like the f-22.


your countries technology is still basically the same as it was years backaltough it is significantly refined and advanced.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
lol, what are you basing your thoughts on? Because they certainly aren't reality. And why not compare Iraq? After the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was in much better shape militarily than Iran and still had the fourth largest army in the world, yet they were defeated in less than a month.


why? becuase iran has just had a revolution. it was only a handfull of years into it before the war started.

iraq having the 4th biggest army is propaganda. at the time in gulf war 1 irans main tank force was outdated t55 and t72 tanks(105mm cannon, no ERA and no night vision), there anti air systems where ww2 style air artillery which was unguided and had no night vision, and there SAM missiles where outdated russian SA-2 which where not even upgraded into the latest version of the SA-2.




Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I really do want to know why you're going on and on about Iran's weapons and how the US will be "humiliated."
I know that's what you want to happen, but do you honestly think that you're being realistic?


im going on and on about it becuase people dont know what iran has this way they can learn a thing or two rather then make wild claims about irans technology. and just incase your thinking it, NO im not persian or iranian.

to win a war you dont really need to destory your enemies millitry. you have to look at the missions that each side wants to accomplish.

american/israel - want to destory irans capability for nucluer technology and missile technoloyg.

iran - wants to push back american and israel to defend itself and also while it is at it cause huge damage to the pride and ego of both countries.

now who's task seems easier. you cant destory irans capability with air-strikes and S.F becuase if it was that simple it would have been done in iraq to take out saddam hussain BW/CW technology. irans tech if underground and protected some are so deep there is no way to aerial bombard it and even SF cant touch it and the only way to completly make sure you take out 100% of there capabilities is to go in and occupy the country and search it inch by inch untill all centerfuges, nuke tech, heavy water, and radio active material is collected. if you dont iran will be up and running again in a few weeks or months and you have really accomplished nothing but have given iran a legitimate exuse for a nuke. on the other hand iran just has to bombard israel and american bases with its vast range of ballistic/cruise/artillery missiles and rockets and carry out guerilla and commando operations with its thousands of anti-tank missiles, anti tank land mines, road side shaped charge bombs, mortar 81/120mm etc.... against israel and americans bases so they have an easy job. also since they recived there 12.7mm( .50BMG ) anti material sniper rifles and since they started there own manufacturing in there own countries of there own versions of .50 cal sniper rifles they will unleash hell on any one who lives in any surrounding country or anwhere near them. the sniper rifles .50 where sold to them by steyr from austria and they make there own also.

www.israelnationalnews.com...



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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Could attacking Iran really bring about WW3???

i dont think so Russia and China has to much to loose if they started lobbin nukes all over place WHY what cause we attacked Iran huh huh.



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 08:00 PM
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now who's task seems easier. you cant destory irans capability with air-strikes and S.F becuase if it was that simple it would have been done in iraq to take out saddam hussain BW/CW technology.


What are you talking about? When did the US ever try to bomb Iraq’s BW/CW technology? Also, you seem to forget that everything underground has an entrance and a support facility. If you take those out you essentially bury those weapons underground. Anything Iran has on the surface will get destroyed, anything it has underground depending on the depth will get buried, its that simple.



posted on Feb, 13 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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The end result of a military conflict between Iran and the U.S. would be very lopsided and should not be in doubt. Take a look at a map, which direction/ directions can the U.S. attack Iran from?

There would be no need for large scale ground forces to be used for the U.S. to achieve it's goals. Special forces and some use of troops would be necessary, but not a full scale invasion.

1. An air campaign starting with sustained cruise missiles strikes and guided munitions would clear the way for wide spread aerial bombing by the USAF and Navy.

2. The cruise missiles and Airstikes would at first target AA installations and airfields, command and control centers and nullify Iranian forces in the coastal regions near the straits of Hormuz and Persian Gulf.

3. After air superiority is established, the systematic destruction of Iran's military forces and infrastructure would commence. All large concentrations of Iran's armed forces would be degraded and become immobile.

4. At the same time known and suspected NBC sites would be bombed. Hardened positions would take longer to destroy but they will be rendered ineffective.

5. Within 60 days Iran's Military forces and industrial capacity to wage war will be neutralized. All Nuclear sites would be severely damaged if not totally destroyed. Terrorist attacks and some Missile lobs would not change the big picture.


There would be losses on both sides, sustainable ones on the U.S. side and unsustainable ones for Iran. Iran would have no Navy, no Air Force, few tanks, APC's and artillery pieces. Iran's homegrown arms production capacity would cease to exist and it would have no trade with world.
That would be the end result of any Military conflict between the U.S. and Iran.



posted on Feb, 14 2006 @ 01:42 AM
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its amusing to see peoples posts that think america could not utterly destroy iran. first of all the us military already knows where everything is in iran, they have contingency plans for everything, and the missiles iran has to take out us planes will not work becuase our aircraft will be cloaked so the missiles wont even be able to see the planes. ok here are the reasons the usa will take out iran in less then a month.

1. all of irans missiles wont even be able to see usa's planes, the planes are cloaked so the missiles cant see them, not to menition stealth bombers.

2. we already know where everything is in iran.

3. the us can target about 10,000 differnet objects at the same time with missiles at the very least per day. this info is from extensive military study and knowledge.

4. everything underground can be easily buried, if there is only one entrance even better, we send in a bunker busting pyro bomb in, what this does is bury the opening then the fire from the napalm like substance burns hence taking all the oxygen out of the bunker or whatever suffocating everyone. the gov tested them in afganistan and they worked.

5. us troops have experiance in iraq afganistan.

6.terrain doesnt matter when we can see them ifrared at night then send an 8 million dollars missile up there asses, litteraly on there ass exactly.

7.we can take out at least 10,000 targets a day using entire military force.

8.borders would be monitered by stealth copters, it would be suicide to try and run across.

9. iran cant use its missiles on something it cant see.(aircraft, ships)

10. even the aircraft carriers are stealthed for missiles and have machine gun turrets that put out 5,000 rounds a minute with auto targeting. they wont be able to hit even that.

11. the troops in iran dont compare to marines, marines willl hand thier asses to them.

Anyone who thinks that the irans can win or the usa will economicly broken in 2 years is a utter moron and has been reading to many books that the sole purpose is to be outragous to get you to buy them. dont believe everything you read. any one can write a book. oh and iran sucks and the people are ignorant, look at the way they treat woman, they are utter and complete idiots, they hang 17 year old girls for pretty much nothing, the people need to get educated. i believe people are inherently good but in a society like iran they need a change of gov and to get educated.




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