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Is Iran Trying To Start World War Three? - It's a setup...

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posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by derdeb
Way to state your world view.


Yes it is.




Considering how the UFO situation isn't very probable, you should consider suicide. It's a quick and easy way for you to be 'off this planet'.


Yeah, UFO's, and other living creatures on the countless planets in the universe aren't very probable, but invisible men in the clouds "magically" creating existence and playing with us like game pieces, are completely grounded in logic. The reason I want off this planet, is so I can live, so suicide isn't an option. But very telling of your feelings toward those who don't believe the fairy tales you do, and the reason I want off this planet, because people like yourself are set to destroy it.



There are lots of options to choose from.


Yeah, and the one I choose is to hope people like yourself wake up and realize how wrong it is to wish harm on those who don't agree with you, or suggest they commit suicide. That was just uncalled for.




posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 05:48 PM
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Can anyone on this thread come up with any sensible reason why Iran would be BAITING the US into a war?

It's the other way round. Amazingly, even though things are going SO WELL in Iraq (not!) Cheney, Rummy and the PNAC gang want to carry through their plan for rebuilding the Middle East. Or at least trashing it so it has to be rebuilt.

And of course, there's the oil bourse thing... (see my previous post).



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 06:07 PM
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Iran could be baiting for war:

-The Arab and Gulf states have Gigantic Gold reserves as well as oil. If the West's economy collapsed, they would automatically have the strongest economies in the globe with a reversion to the Bretton Woods style gold standard currencies. Iran knows this, it has perhaps signed a secret deal with it's Sunnis rivals in Saudi Arabia (which if you want it or not is are an economic superpower despite the media never saying anything about it...Gee guess why? they own 17% of America yet we hear nothing about it)

- One nuclear bomb from a ship in the Atlantic could virtually shut down the ENTIRE U.S. economy with an EMP effect. The Arab states have been preparing for untold ages for when the Western economies collapse. They buy up all the Gold, they hoard all the oil, they foster extremely tight protectionist policies which makes them less dependant on trade and bolsters near immunity to crippling sanctions.

-In the Background lies China and Russia, who out of greed could perfectly well use Iran as a proxy. I have heard rumours of suitcase nukes all over America in case of a "change of policy". Who knows...

-Iran's President is mentally ill. He doesnt care if Iran is destroyed as long as his General scheme doesn't faulter. That scheme is the destruction of the West and Israel, followed by an Islamic empire. Hear his predecesors own words (and he was "moderate" compared to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) :



"If one day, the Islamic world is also equipped with weapons like those that Israel possesses now,
then the imperialists' strategy will reach a standstill because
the use of even one nuclear bomb inside Israel will destroy everything. . . .
It is not irrational to contemplate such an eventuality."
- Former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani (source)



Read this article, it's quite interesting:

www.spiritoftruth.org...

The most important thing to remember is that the wealthy Gulf states have ALOT to gain out of war, they own almost all the Gold in the World, their economies are completely shielded from the effects of sanctions and other practices common during war, it is a long term goal of Islamic extremists to form a Caliphate. A civil war is going right now in Iraq solely over "Who" the rightful caliph is. Understand the mentality of their leaders. This is serious stuff.


[edit on 23-2-2006 by Nakash]



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nakash
- One nuclear bomb from a ship in the Atlantic could virtually shut down the ENTIRE U.S. economy with an EMP effect. The Arab states have been preparing for untold ages for when the Western economies collapse. They buy up all the Gold, they hoard all the oil, they foster extremely tight protectionist policies which makes them less dependant on trade and bolsters near immunity to crippling sanctions.

[edit on 23-2-2006 by Nakash]


There is one problem with your theory. We have thousands of nukes and we will use them in a situation as this and no EMP can stop us from launching nukes.



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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....and Ahmadinejad doesn't care because he just want's to "pave the way for the Mahdi". He has said several times that he would be willing to sacrifice Iran, the Iranian old guard loves to talk of the "good ol' days" when they died fighting Saddam by the thousands (Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war would have trenches chock full of machine guns firing hundreds of rounds, and the Mulahs just sent their boys to the death, so they could seize a tiny piece of Iraq for a propaganda victory. nearly a million people died. They don't care). They are mentally ill. Understand that. Most Iranians consider them Hicks, but this is the problem, it doesn't matter how many logical thinking people are their underlings if you have a hick like Ahmadinejad with this sort of delusional thinking God knows what will happen. Ahmadinejad and his Mullahs see Iran as "a tiny piece" of Islam which could be sacrificed for the big Caliphate. Hamas thinks the same of Palestine.

[edit on 23-2-2006 by Nakash]



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by DaFunk13

Mushrooms never hurt a fly.


Tell that to the first guy that ate a "Death Cap" or "The Destroying Angel" mushroom.



posted on Feb, 23 2006 @ 10:04 PM
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I love the way a poor developing country that has been under heavy economic sanctions for the last twenty plus years, with no history of instigating any wars within the last century, has been demonised into the crazed bloodthirsty militant devil that is scheming the downfall of the rightous, undeserving and defenceless forces of the freedom loving west.

Oh how you all swallow the spin, hook line and sinker. Unlike others i try not to jump at apparent shadows in the night, choosing instead to form my opinions based upon what i see.

All this biblical spin is just more reasoning for the productive, peace-bringing and down right christian policy of pre-emption.

pre-empt! pre-empt! pre-empt! sheesh!



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by derdeb
Way to state your world view.


Yes it is.




Considering how the UFO situation isn't very probable, you should consider suicide. It's a quick and easy way for you to be 'off this planet'.


Yeah, UFO's, and other living creatures on the countless planets in the universe aren't very probable, but invisible men in the clouds "magically" creating existence and playing with us like game pieces, are completely grounded in logic. The reason I want off this planet, is so I can live, so suicide isn't an option. But very telling of your feelings toward those who don't believe the fairy tales you do, and the reason I want off this planet, because people like yourself are set to destroy it.



There are lots of options to choose from.


Yeah, and the one I choose is to hope people like yourself wake up and realize how wrong it is to wish harm on those who don't agree with you, or suggest they commit suicide. That was just uncalled for.


No.

Your rant on how people are idiots for believing God is uncalled for.

Typical poster. You dish it out, but get all weepy when someone throws it back.

Suck it up.



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 08:01 AM
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Someone needs to ask this question so here gose. Why would the U.S. want to iradiate some of the largest oil reserves in the world? I've heard it from people over and over that we are only interested in the oil. Why turn this area into a nuclear wasteland?

Also Iran would never see it's warheads hit US soil. Ballistic Nuclear Submarines silently sitting in the gulf would see to that. (I'm not backing this idea, just stating the obvious).



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by neversubmit
Someone needs to ask this question so here gose. Why would the U.S. want to iradiate some of the largest oil reserves in the world? I've heard it from people over and over that we are only interested in the oil. Why turn this area into a nuclear wasteland?


I doubt the plan is to nuke the fields, but rather get Mohammad Khatami out of office as soon as possible before he starts the planned trading of oil in Euros end of March, which, naturally, would be a massive blow to the already weakened dollar.

Read more: www.abovetopsecret.com...

If anything, it will be a brutal ground war... (again).



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by derdeb
Your rant on how people are idiots for believing God is uncalled for.


I never said believing in a higher power makes somebody an idiot, or I'd be calling myself one. However, I think that believing other men's explanations of higher power is not too bright.



Typical poster. You dish it out, but get all weepy when someone throws it back.


Weepy?
I couldn't care less if you think I should commit suicide. I'm gonna stay around and torment folks like you as long as I can.




Suck it up.


Allow me to make the same suggestion, only in a different context.

[edit on 24-2-2006 by 27jd]



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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Enough of this petty bickering.



posted on Feb, 24 2006 @ 11:16 AM
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Sorry intrepid. I just found it a bit over the line for that poster to suggest I commit suicide simply because I was stating my belief that organized religions are set to destroy the world. I would never suggest religious people commit suicide, just that they not wish harm on those who think differently.

Back on topic though, Russia is not going to start a nuclear war with the U.S. Just isn't gonna happen.



posted on Feb, 26 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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iran is just exploiting an opportunity so they can gain further ground

ww3 probably won't come because too many people have nukes, nuclear war=end of world

we really shouldn't have reimposed the shah...

or maybe we could go all the way back to the end of ww1 and maybe they shouldn't have divided up the ottoman empire



posted on Feb, 26 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
iran is just exploiting an opportunity so they can gain further ground

ww3 probably won't come because too many people have nukes, nuclear war=end of world

we really shouldn't have reimposed the shah...

or maybe we could go all the way back to the end of ww1 and maybe they shouldn't have divided up the ottoman empire



Some rulers arn't afraid of a nuclear exchange, or see an advantage in one. China for example is still very much awating her chance to seize Taiwan. Check out this Chinese Generals statements.

news.ft.com...

[edit on 26-2-2006 by resistor]



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by 27jd
Sorry, I just don't agree. There are so many variables that you've left out, it's just not a logical or plausable thing for Russia to attempt. Not to mention the biblical rantings. The end has drawn nigh so many times, backed by biblical interpretations, and has never materialized. Then it's back to the drawing board to interpret a new apocalypse. It's kinda sad to see all these keyboard Nostradamuses reaching so wildly, presenting so much research, only to have the world keep turning. Better luck next time.


I can not cure your intellectual cowardice.

The current situation is what it is. If Biblical prophecy is to be fulfilled because of it, then so be it. God was right.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Imperium Americana
So Spirit what is the over/under on Iran attacking the Askariya shrine. Would be a deft strategic move to incite violence in Iraq, in order to distract us.


Of course, a major question is, how is it that these bombers were able to spend several hours drilling into pillars and planting huge amounts of explosives without being detected?

Seems like an inside job of some sort.

My guess is it was overseen by Sadr's forces and executed by Iranian demolition experts.

The intent, obviously, is to stir a civil war in Iraq....and this probably has long been the plan.

Iraq shrine bombing was specialist job: minister
Fri Feb 24, 11:14 AM ET

The bombing of a revered Shiite shrine which sparked a wave of violence in Iraq was the work of specialists, Construction Minister Jassem Mohammed Jaafar said Friday, adding that the placing of the explosives must have taken at least 12 hours.

"According to initial reports, the bombing was technically well conceived and could only have been carried out by specialists," the minister told Iraqia state television.

Jaafar, who toured the devastated thousand-year-old shrine on Thursday a day after the bombing which brought down its golden dome, said "holes were dug into the mausoleum's four main pillars and packed with explosives."

"Then the charges were connected together and linked to another charge placed just under the dome. The wires were then linked to a detonator which was triggered at a distance," the minister added.

To drill into the pillars would have taken at least four hours per pillar, he also estimated.

Damage to the mausoleum, holding the tombs of the 10th and 11th Shiite Imams, was extensive.

"The dome was completely wrecked and collapsed on the tombs which were covered over by debris. The shrine's foundations were also affected as 40 percent of the power of the blast was directed inwards," he added.

"It's a historic site, a symbol of Iraqi culture and must be treated as such," he said, adding that he would call on Iraqi officials and on UNESCO to help rebuilt the golden mosque.

Jaafar said he survived a double bomb attack while returning from Samarra when blasts went off in front of his convoy and behind it.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by ferretman2
Do you realize the power of todays nuclear weapons? We are talking about bombs which are 100's if not 1,000's time worse than the ones dropped on Japan.

If there was a full scale nuclear war...there wouldn't be anything left. the air, ground, water, plants & animals would be polluted/radioactive. Most, if not all, animals would be dead along with plants. In other words, for all intents and purposes, the life forms on the planet would cease to exist.


Nonesense. You simply don't know what you're writing about. This is the same sort of hysterical pronunciations that preceded the first and second world wars by those that simply don't want to fathom the coming conflict.

You should read "The Effects Of Nuclear Weapons":

www.cddc.vt.edu...



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Talk of Russia being the army in revelations makes little sense to me. The only country that has ever come even close to the numbers given in Revelation 9:16 "two hundred thousand thousand" 200 million man army is China.

For most of recorded history a 200 million man army was pure fantasy its really still one even for China at present. Consider the most prolific rifle on the planet the AK-47 in all its versions still only adds up to about 50 million rifles in the whole of the world. Even if China owned every one it wouldnt be close to being able to arm its in theory 200 million man army.


The Communist (Russia/China) and hardline Arab states can amass an army of this scale.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by derdeb

Originally posted by 27jd
Sorry, I just don't agree. There are so many variables that you've left out, it's just not a logical or plausable thing for Russia to attempt. Not to mention the biblical rantings. The end has drawn nigh so many times, backed by biblical interpretations, and has never materialized. Then it's back to the drawing board to interpret a new apocalypse. It's kinda sad to see all these keyboard Nostradamuses reaching so wildly, presenting so much research, only to have the world keep turning. Better luck next time.


The Bible clearly indicates that the end times will occur when the anti-christ sets up his throne in the new temple. This will happen in Israel after the Muslim Dome of the Rock mosque is destroyed.

This hasn't happened yet.

According to the Bible, Russia still has an important role to play before this happens. I believe it's in Daniel where he talks about Gog and Magog - current day Russia. It's a widely debated passage though.

I believe the propechies are in Daniel 11.


Eschatological disputes don't change the course of world history.

Bible prophecy is unfolding before our eyes.

I dare say Christians should adapt their interpretations accordingly.



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