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Why does everyone pussyfoot around Islam?

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posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 12:10 PM
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We should deport all muslims that use their freedom of protesting...in the name of freedom??? So that means freedom of speech is only for those with the same ideologies like you...weird freedom.




posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Abu Hamza
We should deport all muslims that use their freedom of protesting...in the name of freedom??? So that means freedom of speech is only for those with the same ideologies like you...weird freedom.

We should deport all muslim's that incite terror as they did in London last week.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Wrong as Usual devilwasp,

Only when I dont agree with you I take it then?



I think I went too far in attacking your POV and Im apoligize...I was outta line.

Its all too easy to mis-understand someone else's opinion in here.

Maximu§



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 01:06 PM
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Helium. I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this. Probably flagged as well, but I don't really care.

Take your ant-jewish bias to Stormfront where it belongs. There you'll find all the kindred spirits you could possibly want.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 04:04 PM
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I'm sure this has been said already in this threab, but here goes:

If we deport muslims wouldn't that be contradictory of freedom/free society? You see where I'm coming from? Societies like the USA were based upon freedom of choice, freedom of speach, and freedom of religion. If we started deporting them, then we would be taking away one of our fundimental beliefs.

It wouldn't make sense to say the least!

Edit: After reading through some of the posts, I realized that, that's what most of you guys are saying, lol.



[edit on 6-2-2006 by ReginalBigsby]



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Alien DNA
We should deport all muslim's that incite terror as they did in London last week.



deport them to where exactly?
anyway, deporting people is plain wrong. But i think they SHOULD have been arrested...no doubt. I heard lots of people complained to scotland yard about it, including the muslim council of britain......did i just say that?......no, its not possible....the MUSLIM COUNCIL OF BRITAIN complained about the protestors,, saying they are giving a bad name to islam and that they were inciting violence and that they should have been arrested????

Wow....muslims speaking out against violent "muslims"....whaddya know

(sarcasm off)



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 05:53 PM
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Societies like the USA were based upon freedom of choice, freedom of speach, and freedom of religion. If we started deporting them, then we would be taking away one of our fundimental beliefs.


That would solely depend upon the reason for their deportation, if we deport them for simply being Muslim then the answer to you question would be yes. However, if we deport them because they incite, support or contribute to terrorism then the answer would be no. I by the way am a firm believer of the second option.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
Helium. I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this. Probably flagged as well, but I don't really care.

Take your ant-jewish bias to Stormfront where it belongs. There you'll find all the kindred spirits you could possibly want.


Because i have questions about history im anti-jewish ?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 06:32 PM
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i would like to thank the thread starter and a majority of those who have contributed to this thread minus a very few (devil wasp id like to point out as one of the very few) that have enabled me to consider leaving this forum. the amount of indirect and even direct racism i have read is just well....beyond me. i am truely disgraced that this great forum has such trash like this on it.
i guess because the color of their skin they must condem the attacks or else they are supporting it simply because they live in that area/practice a religion. ever occur to you they have more important things to do then running around protesting attacks that dont effect them, maybe like feeding their children in a poor 3rd world country. im sorry but if my child were starving on my living room floor id think twice about protesting instead of going into work so my child doesnt starve.

i am utterly sickened by what ive read for the most part and would like to say that im now considering leaving this board. since when did the USA land of the free have a christian culture and structure? i thought this was the land to flee prosecution of religion and freedom, not prosecute those who look like people who did a terrorist attack. disgusting and im done here....



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok


I mean come on people why is everyone scared to say something bad about it?
We live in a free society in the west, we should be able to say what we want should'nt we?
What happened to freedom of speech? The Dane's should be able to print what they want in their newspapers, I mean it was just a cartoon anyway.
I say all the muslims that protest outside embassies in Denmark, France or Britain should be deported because they don't like the way we live in a FREE society I mean we in Britain should have started deporting muslim's just after the 7/7 bombing's, they have no place at all in western society.
Everything they live by is anti-freedom.
Come on FREE people post your vote of confidence in hear or are you all wimps?
Let's see how many people think the way I do.


How familiar are you with Islam? I suppose you think all the Japanese should have been deported in WWII? Have you ever lived with muslims?

I am an American. I despise those who use terrorism as a weapon. I despise those who committed 911. However, as I've lived with muslims in the Middle East....I can tell you that Islam in and of itself, does not support terrorism.

Just because most terrorists are muslim does not mean all muslims are terrorists. Indeed, the majority are not, and there are many muslims right here in America who also despise terrorism. There is no "pussyfooting" around here, but espousing hate is simply not the way to take a moral highground either....

Yes, there are parts of Islam that espouse the destruction of infidels, etc. You'll actually find such parts in almost ALL religions' texts, including Christianity....(and Christianity has some very graphic entries dealing with it....I might add)....

Before you start proclaiming "they" should go, and "they" are anit-freedom...it's best to know exactly who "they" are, and what "they" are all about....and be sure that you yourself aren't following a policy of hate akin to those who you claim to be so inhuman.....lest we find ourselves just as evil as those we seek......


Garzok, I remember when you where just another kook on this site.... I would really like you to explain your version of the New Testament of the Bible to me then where Christians want the destruction of "Infidels" and where that is stated. You will not be able to do so.
Jesus wants redemtion and salvation for ALL, not just those who like and worship Him.
You are not qualified to debate this topic anyhow. Sorry. You are a non -believer in the truest sense of the word, and do not belive in any god let alone Jehova....Hate is the Liberal catchword for " I don't agree with you and don't have the guts to argue" the Truth.


I am mean, sorry to be soooooo...............

Same ol' Liberal sliming of all things Christian and not Socialistic.......


[edit on 6-2-2006 by Tyriffic]



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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Helium03. It's your comment on denying the Holocaust that triggered me, if you meant it as sarcastic humour, I do humbly apologize. If on the other hand you actually believe that, my previous comment stands.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
That would solely depend upon the reason for their deportation, if we deport them for simply being Muslim then the answer to you question would be yes. However, if we deport them because they incite, support or contribute to terrorism then the answer would be no. I by the way am a firm believer of the second option.


I agree with you. I should have made that more clear. In my last post I was refering to the original poster's idea of generalizing muslims and deporting them all. Which is wrong to say the least.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:26 AM
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See my original post here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[mod edit for spamming- please don't copy and paste the same text into different threads]

[edit on 7-2-2006 by dbates]



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:31 AM
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Major skim here.

Freedom should not be abused, sure they can protest peacefully, but demanding to amputate their hands or cut off their head is a TREAT towards these people and this is NOT tollerated in a free society.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 03:59 PM
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Muslims who were born and raised in the ME are no comparison to those who were born and raised in the west, They have the same religion sure, but the society and way of life is much different, This is the main reason i dont think to much about any american muslim condeming the attacks of terrorists (i see it as no more helpfull then a christian doign so), Becasue there opinion realy doesnt change anything, its the opinions and actions of those who are raised the way they are in the ME who need to.


And you are familiar with Muslims born in the ME? Personally, every muslim I knew when I lived over there was extremely moderate (this was in Riyadh), and were very peaceful. In fact, muslim hospitality is ingrained into their culture...their true culture. The muslims you see on the news are not the majority...but they are more "newsworthy". Of course, as has been said, the moderate muslims aren't really doing a lot to change the perception of Islam, and this is (in my opinion), a HUGE mistake.

Sadly, history has taught us that tragedies repeat themselves, and we are doomed to make similar mistakes as in the past. Personally, I predict that once the next big terrorist attack happens in the US, we'll see a muslim backlash similar to what happened to the Japanese in WWII...or worse, what happened to the Jews. While the moderates won't be to blame...they will be guilty of inaction...and that inaction just may lead to their persecution.

I certainly understand the feelings of revenge, etc. I felt it too that day on 911. Hell, I was originally going to be on a flight to New York that day...but the trip was rescheduled with the client for a few weeks later. But, at the same time, we must be careful to direct that anger to where it belongs, and not upon innocent bystanders. The "Death to America" crowd of muslims may be the most vocal, but they aren't the majority. Personally, I have no problem seeing the radicals get what they deserve...but to lump others in with them is a great mistake, and immoral.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:04 PM
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ok lets just get something straight, let us remember how many follow islam. 1.4 billion or so, christianity is 1.6 billion. keeping that in mind, you want to call a couple thousand a MAJORITY?



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:12 PM
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Just one thing, you never seem to see Christians rioting and burning down embassies!!!



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:15 PM
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yes but you want to call an extreme minority the majority like all of islam is out to get the entire world and the US espeically. show me proof where even just 1 MILLION muslims came out violent, let alone 700 million or morewhich would be about what you could start calling it a majority.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:23 PM
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Christians are taught to "turn the other cheek" so if someone offends them they brush it off.
The muslim approach to those cartoons has been unforgiveable, surely the local imams in the area could stop this right now but still nothing is done.
It shows the Islamic faith in a bad light, us Christians have to take a lot but we don't act in this way.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 04:29 PM
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im not trying to insult you alien but you are so ignorant i dont know how you make it in this world. the way the MAJORITY of muslims have approached these cartoons is that they havent at all, what the media shows you in the miniority of extreme ignorant followers that dont have a clue as to what they are doing. if you cant see this you are just as ignorant as them. a majority of christians hopefully "turn the other cheek" but again to say that all do is ignorant.

of course youd say "well we dont consider them true followers of christianity then" but think about it, you dont think that muslims are saying the same thing, that they dont believe these people, extremists, are true followers of islam. im not talkin about what one mans opinion, im talkin about the majority of them, which unless youve visited most the middle east and surrounding areas, i doubt you can say whether they are or arent anymore then i could.

Edit: further more i dont consider you christian because you do not forgive and dont follow in the footsteps of your creators son, your role model. right there you have proven that you, as well, dont follow the true ways and are ignorant to your own religion. (if your some other religion chances are, you contradicted that too, i just used christianity because its a pretty big group of religions and you used it in your example)

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