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USA's Reponse to the Muslims cartoons.

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posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

He's a freaking statue! What?!? It's ok to worship false idols, now?

I could go on...


Well you can not be so far from the true,

What does Mohamed, Jesus, Buddha and others have in common?

They all deities, they all idols and when some of these deities and idols were maybe human beings onces, religion regard them as divine inspired beings.

But in reality is all the same thing Idols and deities.

So now we have to respect and be silence when it comes to somebody making fun of any of them.

But then again I will not like somebody to make fun of my death relative right?




posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's making fun of Jesus, our Lord and Savior! He's winking! He's being portrayed as a lighthearted, jolly fellow who isn't serious about salvation! Salvation is a serious and somber thing, not to be made light of! He's laughing! And his name is "Buddy Christ". They've changed the image of Jesus to some fun-loving, young, frivolous, disrespectful statue!

He's a freaking statue! What?!? It's ok to worship false idols, now?

I could go on...


......are you serious....because he his happy he isnt taking salvation seriously? LMFAO WOW! lol im sorry but thats hilarious to me. a man who taught peace isnt aloud to look happy...sounds way to much like sunday mass to me. hes a human being, not a depressed individual on a peace spree. the fact that they actually portray him on a statue other then when he gets nailed to a damn cross is ok in my book. your enlightening me on how pessimistic and dark catholic views are though, because now that i think about it hes always getting beat up, killed, or looking depressed...whats up with that?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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how do you know that they all are making fun of Christ? it's art, and well, I'm not the artist....are you? how do we know what was in his mind? the one with the 666 I could interpret as being the artist's representation of the anti-christ. I mean, well, isn't that what the antichrist is supposed to be? the devil, impersonating christ? it's quite possible that I am wrong, but are you sure that your are right when you say that it's there to make fun or Christ?

whatever it is, there's one thing for sure, someone spent time and energy creating it, to convey some message, maybe something that they perscieve as truth. which leads one to ask......what is the message, and why does the artist see this as being truth?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:03 PM
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on the top it says "i am jesus the real devil" cant be more clear then that. simply put that one is the worst out of all of them and can be to an extent compared to the bomb prophet cartoon that is currently going around, to an extent like i said.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:09 PM
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I'm not really offended at ANY of the pictures...


Originally posted by grimreaper797
......are you serious....because he his happy he isnt taking salvation seriously? LMFAO WOW! lol im sorry but thats hilarious to me.


It's hilarious to me that a man with a bomb on his head is offensive!



sounds way to much like sunday mass to me.


My point exactly! Catholics could be upset!


Originally posted by dawnstar
but are you sure that your are right when you say that it's there to make fun or Christ?


grimreaper asked me what could be considered offensive and I answered. SOME people might find Buddy Christ offensive for those reasons!



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
on the top it says "i am jesus the real devil" cant be more clear then that. simply put that one is the worst out of all of them and can be to an extent compared to the bomb prophet cartoon that is currently going around, to an extent like i said.


And is anyone burning down anything about it? Who cares what someone draws?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 07:15 PM
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like i said i didnt ask for the violence to be justified just seen that these pictures are wrong and we shouldnt tolerate such hate. this is an endless circling discussion so im out



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 08:53 PM
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IS World War III going go down in history as "The Toon War"??

Iran to publish Holocaust cartoons

www.news.com.au...

hey, if it replaces rocks and such with pencils and paper, I say go for it. I wonder it they'd accept a submissioin from me, they say it's international.....



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 08:55 PM
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lmao the idea of a art war is just hilarious...this is like the break dancing of the art world hahahahaha. get in your b-boy stances, its about to go down. lmao seriously this would be pretty funny, its like a rap battle without the words, same emotion and fierce intent.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:15 PM
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This is just an example of Muslim intolerance, they are protesting against the same right that lets them protest. If they don't like it, they can leave or they could just not read the papers that printed the cartoons. We have to put up with their nonsense so they need to do the same.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
just seen that these pictures are wrong and we shouldnt tolerate such hate. this is an endless circling discussion so im out


Sorry you don't feel like discussing this anymore, but that's ok.


You want everyone to see that these pictures are 'wrong' but I don't think they are. That is open to the interpretation of the person viewing them. Show the bomb head to a native in the jungles of South America and ask him if it's right or wrong.

All the pictures of Jesus don't offend me, but they could offend someone else. It's a matter of personal judgment, sense of humor and sensibilities. I understand that people find different things offensive, but the picture itself is neutral. It's the person looking at it who carries the 'offensability'.

That's all I was trying to say. The last picture of Jesus? Yes, I understand how people could be offended by it, but I also see how some might be offended by the first one. All I'm saying is that your judgment of what's offensive only applies to you. Each person carries their own idea of what's offensive to THEM. And no one can say what's offensive and what's not for the whole world.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:26 PM
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so if you know its coming and people are going to get really pissed is that people are all angry asking "why are they so mad" well i tell you what insulting their religion is like telling some one (censored word with f in it here) your mom and sister you bastard. now as i see it, that gives me every right to get extremely offensive toward them.

but since its on a massive scale destruction was bound to happen. the masses are stupid and panicy, did you expect anything less. we americans havent evovled majorly in 15 years and we still have riots and such. stupidity is violence, i just dont see why people are surprised or angry that it happened. you were well aware stuff would happen when you offend some one elses religion.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
insulting their religion is like telling some one (censored word with f in it here) your mom and sister you bastard.


I know it may seem hard to believe, but if someone said that to me, I'd just give them a weird look. I might be offended because I think they're stupid or angry or whatever, but I wouldn't DO anything. It's WORDS. They cannot hurt me. Until they approach me or mine with intent to harm, I have no right to strike out at them.



you were well aware stuff would happen when you offend some one elses religion.


For one thing, 'we' didn't do it.


But in my opinion, we have to think of the large picture. I don't think it was wise to make these cartoons, but it's really not for me to say. For us to make a universal law that no one can make fun of another religion is infringing on the right to free speech. Period.

I'm not too surprised there were negative repercussions as I have an indication of how easily Muslims of the world seem to get offended, but I am surprised that they took it so far as to burn buildings and cause deaths. I think they overreacted.

The Muslim religion (or these radicals anyway) want the world to respect their religion or else. Well, that's just not going to happen. You can't control the things people say, what people think. They aren't the cartoon police of the world.

They didn't have to look at the cartoons! In fact, they made some themselves and blamed the Danish for it just so they could get angrier! They planted more 'offensive' cartoons! How offended do you think they were while they were drawing those up?

Anyway, I don't think we're going to agree, but I enjoyed our talk.




[edit on 6-2-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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grimreaper........

at least four times a week, I come home from work....as most people on this board knows, my feet and legs are messed up. and well, when I come home, I am in pain!!! my land lord lives downstairs from me, I have asked him at least a half a dozen times to fix the rail in the stairway. well, for some strange reason, even after I have mentioned to him time and time again, that I am having trouble going up and down the stairs and it hurts, well, he still will be knocking on my door four, or five or more times a night!!! at least four times a week!!!

ain't nothing happened yet......the worst that might happen is that I totally ignore him, pretend I'm asleep, whatever....

but, I'm sorry, to me, this is more annoying that someone thousands of miles away printing some stupid pictures about my religion.....why should religion have special protection against offensiveness, especially when there's stupid people, like my landlord, who's offensiveness is not only painful, but could very well turn out to be dangerous. and there's alot of stupid people out there in the world, doing some pretty stupid, annoying, and sometimes dangerous things. what about the telemarketer that has a habit of calling me 2 or more times a night, in between the danged landlord that's knocking on my door, ya know the one who I have no idea just what the heck he's trying to sell me because he's speaking his english with such a heavy accent I can't understand him.....and well, I can only assume that he can't understand me either, since I told him I am not interested more than enough times.....obviously this guy isn't from the US since well, calling that often in such a short amount of time would be illegal, and well, we are on the do not call list....but hey, stupid people do stupid things that irratate the heck out of us, and all we can really do is just grin and bear it!!! why should religion enjoy special protection?



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:53 PM
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well mainly because your land lord didnt publically insult thousands of peoples religion which they take extremely seriously and as a way of life. if you dedicated you life to something and then some one made fun of it publically im sure youd take a great offense to that if you truely cared about what you did. like i said i wasnt justifying their violence, just that its ignorant to think they arent going to react some way when something so insulting to so many people is released.

not to annoying to you...are you muslim? have you read the entire quran and dedicated your life to islam? no? then chances are you dont know how they are feeling. that there entire way of life is being ridiculed on a national level. they are pissed and that was obiviously going to happen. yet people come out all surprised like "why are they so angry...its just a cartoon" a cartoon is just like any other expression including words. that cartoon means nothing to you because its not suppose to unless your a strict muslim who follows the quran word for word.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:59 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being offended.

I'm not surprised they're offended. People get offended every day!

It's just too damn bad! That's no excuse to get violent! It's NO excuse.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 09:32 AM
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I will have to point out that it seems the reason to get offended is nothing more than to start violence and cause trouble.

Sorry but if anybody that feels offended will start rioting and burning others property then we will have chaos every where.

Take notice that this is perhaps what the desire is while claiming We have been offended.

Still the governments of the countries where the violence is happening is doing nothing about it.

Unless this is what they want also.

Perhaps is just an agenda and many are falling for it.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 12:37 PM
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The reactions to the cartoons really just furthers (what I consider) the modern world's perception of Muslims; which is of course becoming negative even amongst the most tolerant people I know.

I might get flamed for my consideration of "modern", but it's just how I feel... Closed minded individuals who get upset over diverse thoughts or FREEDOM ...are not modern! Most organized religions fall under this umbrella in some shape or form, currently and throughout history. I'm actually very tolerant and seek diversity in all aspects of my life, but I'm really losing hope for this faction of people. I'm really not educated enough in the subject matter to even post...I'm just losing something I hold very dear...hope for a people. I guess this post is off topic and can be deleted.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn

I don't think I have read it, can you point out the passage to me?


All you had to do was go back one page and you would have seen it.


Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.


Excepted from.
www.islamicity.com...

Original copy can be found at.
www.islamicity.com...

The people of the book are supposed to be both, Christians and Jewish people.

BTW Jamuhn i think you need to look back at history, because most conflicts in the world are because of religion socio-political problems have almost laways come second or third place after religious problems.

[edit on 7-2-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Well you can not be so far from the true,

What does Mohamed, Jesus, Buddha and others have in common?


Marg part of the problem is that Muhammed was nothing like Buddha and Jesus, Buddha and Jesus did not go around raiding caravans for a living, decapitating people even after they surrendered, nor took women and children from the raided caravans as slaves to be their wives.

That is the problem with Islam, there was no other prophet who came after Mohammed and proclaimed those actions were things of the past, and no Muslim should be doing those things now. This is why Islamic extremists can lure so many Muslims to their side, because those old ways are told in the Q'uran and because Mohammed did these things.

This is also the reason why i keep saying that Muslim clerics should gather in large numbers and proclaim to all Muslims and the world that the old ways are obsolete and no true Muslim should be following those old ways.
I kind of doubt this will happen though.


[edit on 7-2-2006 by Muaddib]



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