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100's of Muslims protest Muhammad cartoons in London…But how many protest terror?

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posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by masterp

We have to understand that as the world gets smaller, we have to respect other religions' principles.

If Muslims do not want their prophet displayed, then we must respect that, even if it goes against our logic, against our own principles.



1. As the world gets smaller people must learn to be more tolerant of other people’s views, opinions and depictions of known icons. Muslims aren’t the only religion or group on earth and there are millions of people that are not bound by their faith.

2. Actually they need to respect the fact that millions of others are not bound by the Muslim faith. Did I just repeat myself?

When I say tolerant I don't mean keep your voice and opinions to yourself. By tolerant I mean that just because you don't agree with someone's opinion or something that is drawn doesn’t mean you can act violently in protest.




posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
BUT, what do the Muslim GAIN by this?

Massive Revolts, that only show the Negative Side?

Yep, that will surely Help.

As it looks to me, these Riots HELP the Globalists Above all people.

They CERTAINLY do not help the Muslims.

So - why?

Well, if we are to believe that the followers of Allah are so *very* fervent and passionate about their religion, then why must there be any other reason except their deep and sincere outrage over what they perceive as poking fun at their religion? After all, that is what they themselves tell us...

Or are you insinuating that their deep ardor for their religion is faked and a sham?



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah


I find it just a little too CONVENIENT.

Especially with Condy attacking IRAN and SYRIA!

Well, RIGHT ON TIME, huh TC?


It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Syrian gov't stood by and allowed embassies to be burned, or that the president of Iran announced his intention to publish Holocaust cartoons as a challenge to our free speech, could it?

Nah, because it wouldn't be a Souljah post unless the US were implicated.:shk:

It was RIGHT ON TIME because that's when the rioters decided to riot, that's why!



[edit on 9-2-2006 by jsobecky]



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah

So - why?


They have been manipulated by the Imans.

The Majority of the people in the states that went violent, do not have access to much other media than state owned media (and probably they also have a language problem to read and understand non-arabic media). And those Imans spread lots of lies, they not only had FAKES cartoons. They said:

  • the Jyllands-Posten had 120 cartoons, not only 12
  • that the paper was owned by the government
  • the Danish government would censor the Koran and also burn it
  • Danes were planning to make a blasphemous movie about Mohammed.

    I am not surpirsed that so manipulated masses are upset then. I think fundamentals felt they need to unite Muslims for some reasons.



    Originally posted by Souljah

    This is nothing but Water on the Mill of Isreal and United States, that are really EAGER to start this War against Syria and Iran already.



    Yes, of course... we evil Zionists again....

    look here:




    albawaba: Iran's Khameini says Israel behind Danish cartoons of Muhammad

    Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, stated on Tuesday that Israel was behind the recent publication of disparaging cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

    Khamenei explained that Israel conspired against the world's Muslim through the cartoons as a result of their frustration over the victory of Hamas.

    The cartoons are a ''conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas,'' he said, according to the AP.


    Wow, we must be very intelligent prophets then.

    The cartoons have been published end of September 2005- and Khamenei thinks we then already knew that the HAMAS would win the elections end of January 2006


    [edit on 9-2-2006 by Riwka]



  • posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 09:59 PM
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    The cartoons were published in Jyllands-Posten September 30th 2005. Here is a post I made September 12th 2005. Said Mansour, a guy with connections to Al Qaeda claims the right of "freedom of speech" in Denmark.

    Al-Zarqawi Reqruiting Muslims in Denmark (on page two)



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 02:49 AM
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    Here is an other proof - an interview with Danish imam Ahmed Akkari who was part of the traveling delegation that spread that pamphlet in the Middle East.



    There was a heated exchange after the anchor showed video of one of Akkari's fellow imams displaying that pig snout photo during a trip to Cairo and describing it, in English, as "one of the worst pictures ever" supposedly disseminated by Danish anti-Muslim bigots. video (Windows Media .wmv file)

    The full news segment is available at DR 1's website. Here's the transcript (translated by the Mollers of Copenhagen - provided by Michelle Malkin):



    Interviewer: We have pictures of your predecessor as spokesman from 'Islamisk Trossamfund' who sits in Cairo and shows that the picture has been shown there and says that is one of the worst pictures. Should we see what he is saying in this recording from Cairo?

    Unidentified imam with dossier and pig photo: This is one of the worst picture that anyone ever imagine. They imagine our prophets [unintelligible]. [Pointing to the pig-squealing contestant]. The hands of a man praying and the face of a pig.

    Interviewer: Recordings from Cairo when you were on tour. There was not much to get wrong: "It is one of the worst pictures." But that wasn't published in Denmark.

    Akkari: That picture was not part of the drawings in JP, and everybody knows that.

    Interviewer: That is not what I am asking.

    Akkari: That is what it is about.

    Interviewer: That picture was present in the tour in the Middle East, in the folder that your predecessor is holding and is shown to your co-religionists.

    Akkari: I think we should try and ask in Cairo and in the Middle East generally if it that is the picture all the people are mad about. And if that is the case I will give in. If it is not then, and I don't think it is, then we must realize that this is about the 12 drawings in [the Jyllands-Posten] and not about a stunt like that.

    Interviewer: Why did you include that picture in your folder?

    Akkari: To show what provocations can come from writing articles to [the Jyllands-Posten] . It was some answers to some provocations that had come.

    Interviewer: But the picture that you showed your co-religionists has not been publicised in Denmark.

    Akkari: Nobody said that.

    Interviewer: Why should it be shown as you say and it is said by your predecessor.

    Akkari: It was shown after a number of papers and what it is about right now, is to see the folder in its entirety. To extract a few seconds from a conversation can easily be manipulated, it can easily be misinterpreted. And if the statements of Danish experts hasn't been good enough to let us understand that this is not a case of manipulation, then I can understand that somebody tries to shift the blame to us to free themselves of the responsibility.

    Interviewer: Ahmed Akkari, you are talking in circles, I am sorry to be so blunt. That picture was present in the Middle East and presented as some of the worst shown in Denmark, but it is from a pig-party in France. Is that the truth or is it a lie, what you have shown in the Middle East?

    Akkari: The questions you ask now and the way it is presented is not the truth either because it is taken out of context and you don't let people understand what the complete case is about. Because what is is about is to show what anonymous pictures Muslims have received as a provocation. I don't think that anybody has claimed that it is something JP has publicized and you are welcome to travel about and ask.

    Interviewer: What do you want to tell Danish people who thinks: That man is sitting and lying.

    Akkari: I think they should hold back because we haven't intended to lie in any way. We hope that everybody can take responsibility. If it is shown that there is something wrong, we are willing to correct that misinformation, if it is that which has released all this anger. Let us try to investigate this together, we won't refuse to try to investigate what this case is about, and if it is that which has released the angers, I am going on live TV in a moment and explain that. Let's hope we can do it together.

    Interviewer: That was the chairman of Islamisk Trossamfund.



    Another funny thing:

    Egypt - wehre the cartoons have been printed in October 2005 - has banned the latest Arabic editions of the German magazines Der Speigel and Focus "because they reprinted cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad", the Egyptian state news agency MENA said on Thursday.

    In their last edition both magazines brought the stories about - guess what? .....YES!!! - THE PIG SNOUT SWINDLE.....


    [edit on 10-2-2006 by Riwka]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 04:02 AM
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    Please compare these pictures (which were used in thread):






    Seems extremely staged for me, what do you think? Check for example the E character, I think that all this crap was written by one person.


    This cartoon thing is an exaggerated joke, but honestly I don't know if I should cry or laugh.



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 08:14 AM
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    Malaysia says cartoons of the Prophet is a decleration of war against Islam.

    CNN




    Anybody here think WWIII is about to start?



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 09:16 AM
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    Originally posted by Aelita
    I just think the reality is much less exotic than you paint it, and the riots are just riots instigated by a bunch of religious nuts.

    Yes, but why NOW?

    Why didn't these Religious Nuts went out on the Streets when this Cartoons were first Published and shown to the Public? Why now?

    I think that REALITY is Far, FAR more Outrageous then You and I can think of.

    So, these Riots were instigated by the Nutty Imams, right?

    Ask yourself, why did they do that?

    Did they do it, because they are an average God Obiding servants of their God?

    For what they are doing, in not Really helping the Muslim people, you know?

    OR did they do it, because SOMEBODY told them to - and possibly Payed them also?




    zer69

    Excellent Find!


    It really Looks like those Signs were Written by the Same person.

    And whats with the Hidden Faces?

    A Proud Protesting Muslim would not Hide his Identitiy, would he?



    [edit on 10/2/06 by Souljah]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 09:40 AM
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    The question WHY this happens NOW is very interesting.
    I found this idea in the ChristianScienceMonitor:




    Behind the cartoon protests

    The clash over the Muhammad cartoons isn't just between "the West" and Islam. It's more between Muslims. Protests over the derogatory cartoons were purposely fanned by Arab leaders who need to look like mightier defenders of Islam than the jihadists who want to overthrow them and unite all Muslims.

    This Muslim struggle over whether to create an Islamic empire reappeared in modern times with the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran. Now, after more than two decades of trying to export their revolution through terrorist groups and oil money, Iran's Shiite mullahs are losing the battle. They were drained by a long war with Iraq during the 1980s but, most of all, by the misrule of their own, now disenchanted people.[...]



    More ideas?



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 10:02 AM
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    Originally posted by Riwka
    The question WHY this happens NOW is very interesting.
    I found this idea in the ChristianScienceMonitor:

    More ideas?

    Yes I have a FEW:


    Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse

    ran is about to commit a far greater “offense” than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro for Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Beginning in March 2006, the Tehran government has plans to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades – using a euro-based international oil-trading mechanism.

    The proposed Iranian oil bourse signifies that without some sort of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project of U.S. global domination, Tehran’s objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on dollar supremacy in the crucial international oil market.

    But I am sure that it has NOTHING to do with the recent Riots...

    More?


    Iran prepares to sell oil in euros

    The Chairman of the Majlis Energy Commission, Kamal Daneshyar said here, on Friday, that preparatory measures have been taken to sell oil in euros instead of dollar, adding that such a measure is quite positive and should be taken as soon as possible. Speaking to the Persian service of Iranian Students News Agency (ISNA), he went on to say that Iran should at the first phase sell its oil in both Dollar and Euro, and then gradually move toward Euro as the mere source.

    More HINTS?


    WAR: Israel Prepares Troops for Attack on Iran

    ISRAEL’S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon (news dated to 11/12/05 - whats going on with mister Sharon lately anyway), the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed.

    The order came after Israeli intelligence warned the government that Iran was operating enrichment facilities, believed to be small and concealed in civilian locations

    Or Maybe the Following Article:


    China set to dump dollar reserves

    China indicated on Thursday it could begin to diversify its rapidly growing foreign exchange reserves away from the US dollar and government bonds – a potential shift with significant implications for global financial and commodity markets.

    Economists estimate that more that 70 per cent of the reserves are invested in US dollar assets, which has helped to sustain the recent large US deficits. If China were to stop acquiring such a large proportion of dollars with its reserves – currently accumulating at about $15bn (€12.4bn) a month – it could put heavy downward pressure on the greenback.

    Naaah, it has nothing to do with Current Events!

    It's SYRIA and IRAN who are to Blame!

    Bomb them!

    March 2006 is Coming!!!



    [edit on 10/2/06 by Souljah]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 10:19 AM
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    Originally posted by masterp
    If Muslims do not want their prophet displayed, then we must respect that, even if it goes against our logic, against our own principles.


    I don't HAVE to respect that!!! If they can't simply ignore the criticism---that's their problem!! This notion that we are somehow responsible for their anger or happiness is a flawed notion. Criticism (cartoons and such) HURTS NO ONE!!!!


    Originally posted by masterp
    Imagine, for example, that we humans manage to come in contact with alien civilizations. Let's just say that these aliens, while they look humanoid, they have very strange habits...for example, they would not allow themselves to be captured in photographs.


    I think it's very interesting that you're comparing this situation to a visitation by aliens. I've thought all along that the Prophet Mohammed was an alien and that Islam was planted here, by aliens, to eventually exterminate human beings. After humans mostly destroy themselves using Islam, the aliens can then inhabit the Earth and enslave the remaining humans (even the Muslims).


    The behavior exibited by Arab Muslims doesn't seem to be "normal" human-being behavior. They're either aliens or there is a lot of child abuse going on over there!!



    [edit on 10-2-2006 by Freedom_for_sum]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 10:22 AM
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    I also think IRAN is one of the main points to look at.

    They (the fundamentalist Iran) fear a revolution from within to become a democracy as they once have been as much as they fear the U.S.

    One has only to look how they threat the poor students who protest for "freedom and equality" infront of the Uni Teheran a while ago

    Video

    and then the difference how soft it has been when the demonstrators "stormed" the Norwegian embassy.

    video

    *** graphic content ***

    It is in Irans very interest to unite Muslims against the 'evil' West (= democracy) .

    [edit on 10-2-2006 by Riwka]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 11:04 AM
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    Originally posted by Souljah
    And whats with the Hidden Faces?
    A Proud Protesting Muslim would not Hide his Identitiy, would he?


    Oh come on now. Muslims all around the world wrap their
    faces and heads in those .. whatever the call them ... so
    that no one can see who they are. You see them on the
    news all the time. Masses of Muslims protesting whatever
    has ticked them off lately ... all wrapped up.

    The Palestinians wrap up in red and white checkerboard.
    Some wrap up in green.



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 11:08 AM
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    Originally posted by Souljah

    Originally posted by Aelita
    the riots are just riots instigated by a bunch of religious nuts.

    Yes, but why NOW?


    RIWKA already told you why -

    And those Imans spread lots of lies, they not only had FAKES cartoons. They said:

  • the Jyllands-Posten had 120 cartoons, not only 12
  • that the paper was owned by the government
  • the Danish government would censor the Koran and also burn it
  • Danes were planning to make a blasphemous movie about Mohammed.


  • It takes a while for those whacked Imams to get their lies out
    to the people. When those lies took hold, then they Imams
    directed the riots. It takes a while for those things to come
    together.

    [edit on 2/10/2006 by FlyersFan]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 11:09 AM
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    Originally posted by FlyersFan

    Originally posted by Souljah

    And whats with the Hidden Faces?
    A Proud Protesting Muslim would not Hide his Identitiy, would he?

    all wrapped up.

    The Palestinians wrap up in red and white checkerboard.
    Some wrap up in green.

    Exactly
    ! And don´t forget the burka



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 11:40 AM
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    Originally posted by zer69
    Please compare these pictures (which were used in thread):




    This cartoon thing is an exaggerated joke, but honestly I don't know if I should cry or laugh.


    You should ...for yourself... so what is your point now ?? the manifestation was set-up by Bush too ?
    Who cares WHO wrotte the cards? the point is the Protest HAPPENED and YES THEY Were SCREAMING DEATH TO USA, DEATH TO JEWS, and DEATH TO EUROPE... you should definetly cry... you're in such a state of fear and deniel you believe any sort of crap but whats right in your face.


    Originally posted by Souljah
    And whats with the Hidden Faces?

    A Proud Protesting Muslim would not Hide his Identitiy, would he?



    Oh please God whomever you are tell these people is NOT for real!

    A "proud " muslem does not cover is face ???
    Have you been on Earth latelly ? What do you call the Hammas groups than ?? "Unproud" Muslems ?? because they love protesting trho the streets with their faces covered and their big machine guns on the other hand... Are you for real ?

    Did you happened to notice the other bunch of man in the same croud whose faces ARE NOT covered? maybe those are Sweddish ???

    As it occur to you, that this people are above anything and everything COWARDS, that they do not want to be SEEN for what they are, just like Neo-Nazis, and KKK members...they all protest some with covered faces and others not.

    So i guess the new trend now is to claim that the "poor muslems" did not protest ...it was all staged by Bush i guess...LOL...


    Its is pretty sad how fear clouds peoples thoughts....very sad.
    Don't worry, the day you decide to take your heads out of the sand, the Muslem Terrorists will still be around to help you wake up to reality.



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 12:34 PM
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    No, nobody here should be coerced into censorship. I am a Christian and don't follow Islamic law. In fact I have a moral obligation not to follow a set of rules which says you can beat women if they don't follow your whims, rape non-muslim women because they don't wear hijabs, kill Jews because they live in Palestine, and so forth. Let's make that clear: I am a Christian, you are a Muslim. I will not follow sharia law, too bad for you. The West will not bend to Islam, we will not be coerced. To display my defiance to this utter violence and disrespectful attitude which says we should be forced to follow Islamic law in non-Islamic countries, I will exercise my right of free speech:





    MUHAMMED MUHAMMED MUHAMMED MUHAMMED MUHAMMED
    M
    MUHAMMED MUHAMMED MUHAMMED MUHAMMED MUHAMMED






    Muslims=Islam

    Christians=Christianity

    why is that so hard to understand? We don't accept "profit" Muhammed, end of matter.


    [edit on 10-2-2006 by Nakash]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 05:58 PM
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    Originally posted by BaastetNoir
    Who cares WHO wrotte the cards? the point is the Protest HAPPENED and YES THEY Were SCREAMING DEATH TO USA, DEATH TO JEWS, and DEATH TO EUROPE... you should definetly cry... you're in such a state of fear and deniel you believe any sort of crap but whats right in your face.


    There are people out there that drew the cartoons, only a few.
    There are people out there that posted banners such as those but in the end it's only a few that did it.
    Diplomacy is the best thing against war and the internet is such place where people come and talk, i think the internet is the last place where people can inform them selfs and talk with each other, the media is long gone.
    This is what they want, i admit i got iritated a bit when i saw the banners,
    they want people to fight with each other and create a reason for coflict, in the end thats what we are just people.
    They cant wait to start a war, and people are faling for it, we are going to lose our liberties and you the muslims are going to lose your lands, in the end we all lose.
    So diplomacy betwen people is the most important thing now, trying to understand each other is esential before hell brakes on earth for good.
    If we can understand each other we can evoid things till the next plot and so on, with out people their worthless, we acctuly chose our destiny it's up to us the regular human being.


    [edit on 10-2-2006 by pepsi78]

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    [edit on 10-2-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]



    posted on Feb, 10 2006 @ 06:30 PM
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    Originally posted by CogitoErgoSum1
    1. As the world gets smaller people must learn to be more tolerant of other people’s views, opinions and depictions of known icons. Muslims aren’t the only religion or group on earth and there are millions of people that are not bound by their faith.


    But they feel offended by the drawings of Muhammed. Since the offender is the one that publishes those drawings, don't you think that it it was the offender's fault?



    2. Actually they need to respect the fact that millions of others are not bound by the Muslim faith. Did I just repeat myself?


    I think they do. Muslims do not want to slaughter any non-Muslim, except for the fanatics, of course.



    When I say tolerant I don't mean keep your voice and opinions to yourself. By tolerant I mean that just because you don't agree with someone's opinion or something that is drawn doesn’t mean you can act violently in protest.


    Would you be tolerant if CNN showed tomorrow Jesus in sexual intercourse with his mother? you wouldn't be tolerant at all.



    I don't HAVE to respect that!!! If they can't simply ignore the criticism---that's their problem!! This notion that we are somehow responsible for their anger or happiness is a flawed notion. Criticism (cartoons and such) HURTS NO ONE!!!!


    If cartoons hurt no one, do you agree with publishing in CNN.com a cartoon with Jesus being a homosexual, or a drug addict, or a pedophiliac? after all, it is a cartoon...



    I think it's very interesting that you're comparing this situation to a visitation by aliens. I've thought all along that the Prophet Mohammed was an alien and that Islam was planted here, by aliens, to eventually exterminate human beings. After humans mostly destroy themselves using Islam, the aliens can then inhabit the Earth and enslave the remaining humans (even the Muslims).


    Ha ha ha! you have quite an imagination! Islam is certainly not a religion for exterminating humans, at least no more than what Christianity was a few centuries ago. Have we conviniently forgotten the crusades, the endless wars, the slaughterings, all in the name of God? how about the extermination of native Americans (i.e. Indians) by Spanish forces?



    The behavior exibited by Arab Muslims doesn't seem to be "normal" human-being behavior. They're either aliens or there is a lot of child abuse going on over there!!


    Isn't that inflamatory?







     
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