Pentagon to keep civilians under surveillance

Originally posted by esdad71
Those who taunt are generally those who are most afraid of bieng proven wrong. You are choosing to make this personal and you shouldn't, as I am a person just as you who wants to discuss worldly issues in a civil manner.


In this country, there is something called innocent unitl proven guilty. If you are innocent, then you are free to go. However, if out of the 1000's of protestors they interviewed, if even one helped to disable a domestic or foriegn terror cell, it would be worth it.

If you have something to hide, get a good lawyer, if not, you have nothing to worry about. What is so hard about that to accept?

(I will ask one more time nicely to please stop the tough guy #, OK? You are bridging posts and carrying this out to long. )

Whatver. You threatened me, now you want me to stop calling you tough guy? Ok...tough guy, I'll consider it. Don't threaten people if you don't want to be called tough guy. OK, tough guy?

You didn't read the link, did you? The truth is out there, no matter how much you deny it. Oh, right, to stop the terrorists, it's ok. Why don't you actually take a glance at that thread and tell me how selling bootleg Rubix cubes, smuggling weed, or disagreeing with the prez is an act of terror.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Hey, man.

You must have missed it when the Patriot Act was used against weed slangers. If they catch you with some weed and want to get you, you could be next, I guess.

Here's where you can find where they used it against people dealing weed.

Truthseeka exposes the Patriot Act

Props, that's a pretty cool thread. Thanks for posting the link. I don't deal btw, I have no desire to go to prison, lol, but I see you're point in directing me to you're post. The case doesn't really suprise me.

Originally posted by DSdad71
Here's a little piece of advice, if you think you have something to hide, the police already know. It would shock you to know that the police in your town know exactly who is dealing drugs, who buys it and who the middle man is. DHS could care less.

However, what if the information garnered helped to disrupt a kiddie porn ring? or international slavery? or a major drug ring supplying terrorists.

If you have nothing to hide, there is no reason to be scared. IF you are worried about something, talk in code or don't use a phone. I mean, if you are doing something illegal, what gives you the right to privacy?

I'm very aware of the fact that the police know who's doing what, when it comes to things like that. I've known this since I saw the list of suspected drug users/dealers in my old middle school. The part that hit me like a brick was the post-it on the list stating, 'send this to buckingham police dept'. I disagree with this, it's an invasion of privacy(to a degree).

I strongly agree with you're second statement. That stuff is just wrong. Allthough, more then often the drug trade is regulated by the CIA(especialy coc aine). I've seen a few specials on History channel pertaining to this subject.

About you're last statement. I stongly disagree. In my case(using an illegal substance) my right to privacy is very obvious. I don't not harm anyone, I do not harm myself, and most importanly I do not smoke and drive. I have never atempted to peer pressure anyone, etc. Not only that, I do not suport any cartels or large rings. On the other hand I do suport my friend's college education(his parents can't afford it so he grows to suport himself). So what about my situation can be considered dangerous? The only danger I see about marijuana is a new market, one which is not controled by the oil corporations or pharmaceutical companies.

Personaly I think that people who drink and drive, or drink excesive amounts of alcohol are more of a danger then recreational pot users. For example I was almost killed by someone who had just left a bar. If I would have left my friends house two seconds later then I did, I would have been killed by someone who flipped thier jeep within meters of me(both of whom died in the accident). It's truely a shame. I could give a better example about the dangers of alcohol, but it's much to personal.

All i have to say to all those DEFENDERS of the citizen survelliance
"if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about"

That is Wrong one word: NIXON
need more: LIST OF ENEMIES

If we could trust that everyone that worked for the government was honest, and ethical, and not a pervert, and not power hungry, then yes, you would be correct...

but since there seems to be an abnormally high percentage of these things among politicians, compared to the population, I think we should be careful, and have plenty of oversight...

they are just human, and just as succeptable to abusing power and being as mentally unstable as anyone...

[edit on 6-2-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

You really think the CIA(this isnt the Pentagons Dept.), is going to waste resources that are far from unlimited to try and set up spy operations inside the US on 300 million people. What about their obligations outside the US. Theres alot out there worth a whole helluva lot more than who disagrees with the president, yet another load of # from prisonplanet.com. Doesnt surprise me one little bit though, if they wanna believe this bull# let em do it, I wont argue.

"Intelligence officers who eavesdropped on thousands of Americans in overseas calls under authority from President Bush have dismissed nearly all of them as potential suspects after hearing nothing pertinent to a terrorist threat, according to accounts from current and former government officials and private-sector sources with knowledge of the technologies in use.

Yes I read the link, nice read . They listened to some people and heard no terrorists. They didn't accidently arrest or detain anyone either. What is wrong with is? Where is the government doing anything wrong.


If you feel that prison planet is where you must get your news, then welcome to the internet. It is full of all sorts of stuff that you can believe in.

As far as the tough guy #, fu** off ok? I am tired of it, following me through threads like a child. I was giving advice in my post, not threatening you. If i was threatening you I would be more creative. (clowns to left of me, jokers to the right,,apply gas) Are you that damn paranoid? Words can be read only one way, but interpreted in many.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Well, a lot of people do have something to hide, and no, I do not mean terror links, although, you never know. A scientist has a new discovery to hide, a company has a new merger to hide, an agent has a new contract to hide, and most of all.....a politician has new ideas to hide.

Though this is old, its a near perfect example of what youre saying. I would be sure this is a concern for those within the US too.

The hubbub grew from a report prepared for the European Parliament that found that communications intercepted by a network called Echelon had twice helped U.S. companies gain an advantage over Europeans.

Europe Accuses U.S. Of Economic Spying

Originally posted by ludaChris
You really think the CIA(this isnt the Pentagons Dept.), is going to waste resources that are far from unlimited to try and set up spy operations inside the US on 300 million people. What about their obligations outside the US. Theres alot out there worth a whole helluva lot more than who disagrees with the president, yet another load of # from prisonplanet.com. Doesnt surprise me one little bit though, if they wanna believe this bull# let em do it, I wont argue.

Far from unlimited resources?



You have any idea how much cake they get from the drug trade? I will say this, though; it's funny that most of the focus is on the CIA when they're the SMALLEST intelligence agency. I guess it's because they have so many crooks at the highest levels.

Note: Anytime I say the US govt, CIA, Feds, or whatever, it's more of a shorthand reference than labelling the whole group as bad. Most people affiliated with these groups are decent people; it's just that the crooks are the ones who run things.