And now we come to the nastiest, most despicable, dishonorable, vile and loathesome part of the whole hoax -- using scientist Carl Sagan as an
"appeal to authority."
Their actions are beyond contempt at this point. In this repugnant attempt to cover all the holes in their stupid story (which started coming apart
at the seams as many posters noted with the very first post), they offer up to us as sacrifice a man who is loved by many and who is very conveniently
Who can't stand up for himself and say "You wretched little men are beyond contempt and the idea that I would associate myself with such a blatant
hoax is beyond belief."
I'll stand up for Sagan, though.
Let me note what these scum said about Sagan:
2) One of the principal home-based scientists (astronomer) contracted to assist us was Dr. Carl Edward Sagan. Initially, he was the biggest
skeptic of the group. But as information was slowly analyzed, Dr. Sagan came back to the middle. I can't say he fully accepted every single piece of
data, but he did agree on the final report.
They play on Sagan's well-known stance as a skeptic (he authored Demon Haunted World
)and then expect us to believe that this PhD polymath was
SOMEHOW changed from a skeptic into someone who "agreed on the final report" -- in spite of the holes that even people without advanced degrees are
I've hit only the highlights of the most inane points of the whole hoax; others who have a better background in physics and math than I have shredded
it even further and no doubt geologists could hammer at it still further. Yet these odious, cowardly hoaxers want you to believe that somehow Sagan
managed to forget all those problems and "signed off" on the final product....
...Sagan, who was friends with many eminent scientists of far better caliber than I am or the skeptics posting on the list and who could (unlike me)
wade through Differential Equations and complex maths and physics.
...Sagan, who analyzed folklore and mythology and hoaxers.
...Sagan, who knew and was friends with some notable science fiction authors (including, I believe, Issac Asimov who held a PhD in biochemistry.)
Victor Martinez buys into this wholeheartedly:
CONNECTING THE DOTS: "Project SERPO's" final report was written in 1980 with Dr Sagan having been brought in half way through the project.
It is believed that he wrote his 1985 bestseller, CONTACT, based on his insider knowledge of the most secret project in human history: a human-alien
exchange program of which he signed off on its final report!
Martinez has apparently never reead CONTACT, though he may have watched the movie version of it.
Sagan, as I said, knew scifi writers and knew editors. He had friends that he talked to about his book. To connect the dots, simply talk to these
people and to his widow, Ann Druyan (who produced Contact and cowrote several of his books as well as producing ), and you'll find out very quickly
that the idea that Sagan "borrowed/fictionalized" Serpo to write CONTACT is beyond stupid.
Anony-Hoaxer continues his shabby and repugnant lies:
After reading Dr. Sagan's remarks on the Serpo project, which is about 60 jam-packed pages of calculations, I found one paragraph which states
that in order to use Kepler's law – in the case of Planet Serpo – one had to vary the exact gravitational pull placed on Serpo by the two suns.
Serpo did not have large planets, like Jupiter and Saturn to affect the gravitational pull as the Earth does. Serpo's gravitational pull was
different than anything Dr. Sagan had ever seen before.
This was Anony-Hoaxer's lame attempt to answer a point raised by someone who actually knew some astronomy and dumped the math at Anony-Hoaxer. This
despicable liar then tries to cover save his hoax by appealing to Sagan as Authority -- Sagan who is dead and can't defend himself by using one of
the lamest attempts to weasel out of any "gotcha" :
in order to use Kepler's law – in the case of Planet Serpo – one had to vary the exact gravitational pull placed on Serpo by the two
Fortunately, this disgusting little liar has no real idea what he's talking about. Sagan would not have used Newtonian/Keplarian physics in
studying a three-body or m-body system with a possible erratic orbit... he would have hotfooted to CalTech with the data and discussed with Thorne and
others whether it was preferable to do a variable time-step Runge Kutta and how to map the data onto a Poincaré section.
Actually, he would have had the Ebens contacted and asked their scientists and mathemeticians about the formulas and would have presented this new
study in mathematics (remember, he had a strong ego and loved the spotlight) to the world. We would have had a whole new subbranch in cosmology and
mathematics, and it would have had Sagan's name on it.
This is the kind of homework that hoaxers can't do. Anony-Hoaxer, who apparently is pathological liar, can't produce any semblance of what Sagan
really would have said because there are no formulas.
And, of course, evidence that this is a huge lie exists in other forms, because Sagan (as does any scientist) left behind boxes of letters and
journals of notes along with other manuscripts and his exchanges with Kip Thorne and his students at Caltech (who worked out the formulas for the
wormhole used in CONTACT) -- they're all still around. This is demonstrated by the 2005 book by Tom Head which reproduces some of the Sagan
But Anony-Hoaxer and Clown#2, who have no real integrity are completely unaware that this huge body of work exists. As far as they know, scientists
die and nobody keeps their letters and the mysterious Archive Fairy shows up and shreds all their notebooks and research files at the instant of their
The Sagan section of this scam ends that with the truly pathetic effort to make a Believer out of everyone:
There are numerous figures and calculations to support this. I will forward them at a later date. Have your list stay tuned.
And, of course, he fails to do that because (as I said) someone on the list turned out to have a decent background in astronomy/physics and math and
started poking holes in his precious little hoax.
It was at that point that he started running with his tail between his legs. That's why he only wants to talk with true believers -- they won't ask
to see the 30 pages of math that he says Dr. Sagan produced.
Anony-Hoaxer is a despicable, pathological liar who puts out hoaxes for his own egotistic satisfaction, to see how many people will fall for it.
The Cadre of Clowns who hop out of the woodwork to add their own fantasies to the whole filthy swamp of lies should be drummed out of the human
race. It has been suggested that one or more of them has a financial angle here, hoping to sell a book of lies that will be a "best seller" because
of the hype here on the Internet.
With this, I'll bring my analysis to a close... though there's still more that can be addressed. But I'm tired now, and I'm going to rest.
I hope that my analysis will enable some of the readers to spot the pathological liars like Anony-Hoaxer and the Pack Of Clowns and that the next time
one of them comes out of the woodowrk to fabricate another fable at the world, that my readers will stop, check, and analyze, and then stand up and
point fingers at the Liar and the Clowns and shout, "SHAME!!! Shame on you all!!!"
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