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Originally posted by Icarus Rising
What I realized this morning was hating opiates, the culture, and those engaged in it, is like hating the womb for providing a painful birth. It is a fact of life, like original sin, and must be accepted, and put in its proper place. Just as passing through the womb is a necessary component of physical life, I believe passing through opiate dependence is a necessary component of spiritual life.....
....To me, that says, unless you pass through (be born again of) opiate dependence, and have an NDE (spiritual rebirth), you won't gain the intrinsic understanding of the meaning of life that we all seek. Also, attempting to manipulate such knowledge for any reason attached to personal gain or subversive motives will result in revocation of privileges.
To say religion is the heart of a heartless world and the soul of a soulless world is to say religion is without both heart and soul, it is merely a pain killer. If we are to truly transcend and transform the meaning of our suffering, we must abandon our highly addictive pain killer, religion. We must become willing to feel our pain again that we might understand it and do something meaningful with it that we might end it for ourselves and others. We must no longer remain complacent in the suffering around us through the restraints placed us by religions seeking to prevent us from moving beyond those beliefs and values that are no longer working for us, tying us down to the worn out ways of dead ancestors even though they have become meaningless.
we see a distinction between what Thorstein Veblen would come to call the leisure or predatory class and the industrious or working class. The great irony in this situation is the masses are compelled through their own sense of religious obligation to give much, if not most of what they produce, to the predatory class which usually represents the smallest percentage of society. And, rather than fairly redistributing the wealth they obtain through such exploitation, the ruling elite all too often hoard it for themselves in order to maintain their leisurely and luxurious lives.
Yes I suppose I was a bit harsh in my tone (I apologise) but it just shows that its so very easy to be 'out contexted' (if thats a phrase). I knew what Icarus was getting at as I myself have been taking opiate prescriptions for pain for many years and have only just came off totally.
Originally posted by Merger
shihulud, thats a bit harsh....... from what I think he was saying that his willing/unwilling participant of being dependant gave him new insight when coming off it...... Such as the revelations many experience from coming off other such drugs, illegal or not...ie alcoholics.... when they stop drinking, it leaves a huge impact of success and self worth, and an insight that they spiritually have grown (even though they most likely won't use those words exactly)......So I don't think he was trying to say you should go out and do that.....but from my gut instinct, he may be saying that if there is any form of existing addiction of any sort, or near death experience, that you will recognise the value of overcoming it, and seeing life in a new light.
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Most seek their 'vision state', short of some contrived NDE that endangers their life, through fasting and meditation. Others, through accident, illness, or exposure may come to the brink of life and experience a true NDE. It isn''t something I would seek actively, but I've heard it does put things in perspective for you. The key, I think, is to find and take the wisdom from all your experiences through life, and apply it to the decisions you make now and going forward