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Originally posted by noisy_brit_kid
Isit just me, or is there a helluvalot of muslim bashing on ATS at the moment. I mean, not every muslim is a suicide bomber, and some of you peeps are simply ignorant of muslim culture,
In saudi arabia, if you are caught looking at women for too long, Religious Police will give you a beating, right then and there.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
One more thing, as far as Christianity and the poor, bashed Islam:
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy" Jesus. Mathew 5:7
"For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you only salute your brethren, what more are you doing than others?" Jesus. Matthew 5:46-47
"Muhammed is Allah's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." Qu'ran 48:29
Originally posted by Grand Alchemist
Sure, you'll find some terrible stuff in Quoran, but you'll find some similar things in the Bible.
Of course it's wrong, I just responded to Thomas Crowne's post which to me made it seem like the Bible is "perfect".
Originally posted by ChemicalLaser
Is it or is it not wrong to suppress the rights and privileges of another human being because of their gender? Is it or is it not wrong for people to use violence and the threat of violence because someone mocked their religion in a cartoon? Is it or is it not wrong to strap a bomb on someone and direct them to kill a wedding party with the promise of an eternal award from their "god"? I say it is wrong. period. Pointing out that there are things "wrong" with Christians and Christianity doesn't change the "wrongness" of what Muslims are doing.
[edit on 2/4/2006 by ChemicalLaser]
Look here, a crowd of Alabamian Christians crowding together with weapons because their places or worship were burned to the ground! Wait, I don't recognize the linen, must not be Southern Baptists.
Yup, I can see why Christianity is ridiculed all over the world, and why it is perfectly acceptable to mock the One who died for us.
Regardless of the validity of the cartoons, the fact that the Islamic world is violently protesting cartoons makes them more the target of people's scorn distrust and contempt.
As stated before, what is uncommon in other isms is expected in this particular one.
I highly doubt ignorance is applaud-worthy, but when the blind lead the blind, what else can be expected?
The Christian is taught to pray for those who do not know the Way, not to call for those to be destroyed, to be punished and for those to go to Hell.
Our god, the one and true G-d of Abraham, declares that vengeance is His, and by the way, He doesn't need any silly and imperfect human to act on His behalf.
To compare Christianity, WyrdeOne, to Islam, is frought with perils for those who attempt it.
For example, to say that Jesus, who is said by the Christians to be the Christ, is violent in silence because of Hell, is to disregard the fact that He came to Earth to lead a perfect life so that He might be the perfect sacrifice to pay for our sins.
This way, you see, we do not have to go to the place that was not designed for us, but for Satan and his demons.
He did the dying for you.
Nope, such behavior is incidental and uncommon in other beliefs and isms, but is expected and can be justified in the suras and hadiths of Islam.
Cartoons. Cartoons, man, think about it.
Is it or is it not wrong to suppress the rights and privileges of another human being because of their gender?
Is it or is it not wrong for people to use violence and the threat of violence because someone mocked their religion in a cartoon?
Is it or is it not wrong to strap a bomb on someone and direct them to kill a wedding party with the promise of an eternal award from their "god"? I say it is wrong. period.
Pointing out that there are things "wrong" with Christians and Christianity doesn't change the "wrongness" of what Muslims are doing.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Not exactly the topic, but arab bashing is a big problem too. Arab Muslims get twice as much abuse heaped on them.
In case you missed it, let me spell it out for you. The ones burning down Danish embassies, threatening to take and kill people unrelated to the newspaper, generally acting like dangerous but spoiled children, are doing it in the name of their religion, and using their scriptures to back it up.
As of today, nine Baptist churches in Alabama have burned due to arson in less than a week. Do you see the same reaction? Nope. Our beliefs teach another way of responding, and you don't see one single town in Alabama with smoke rising from it because of violent protests, much less numerous places around the world. You also don't see anyone trying to throw it off on the Jews, or any other group. People on their knees have little opportunity to burn buildings and throw rocks.
Come to think of it, it's a good thing we don't see it as the Muslims do. The reaction all over the world over cartoons posted back in September is ridiculous and done in the name of Allah. Can you imagine, if we were the same way, considering the MURDERING of 3,000 people in the name of Allah back in 2001? If the response was proportional to the response to stupid cartoons, there'd have been no Muslim to protest the cartoons.
Originally posted by TaupeDragon
I still think the original point of this thread is valid, even though it seems to be veering nicely off-topic, as usual.
I'm finding it difficult to get estimates of noncombatant deaths in the second Iraq war, at least *prior* to the insurrections and suicide bombings that happened *after* peace was declared. Here is the best estimate I have managed to find, of around 3,700 or so dead: