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Browning M-2 and MK-19 Replacement, The OCSW

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posted on Feb, 2 2006 @ 01:32 PM

posted on Feb, 3 2006 @ 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Browno
When will this beast enter service?

im not sure but that thing is quite big. they should have just stuck with the air-burst 40mm HV greande launcher rather then trying to make a new system to do the exact same thing and by the looks of it its about the same size as the 40mm GL.

posted on Feb, 4 2006 @ 11:50 PM
I dont see them replaceing the M2 with this machine..first off it is obvious by looking at it that it is way much more expensive than the M2 both in the machine and the Ammunition it uses.

The M2 or Ma Deuce has been around a long long time and is very reliable...where ever it is used. John Browning made a winner here ..same thing with his other the 1911 .45 auto.
No matter what they like to claim about all this high tech..John Browning set a standard when he made the Ma Deuce.
Just ask any soldier who has ever had to put his life in the hands of Ma Deuce. They will swear by them.

All the militarys will be very loath to give up something as reliable, effective , and uncostly as the Ma Deuce.


posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 05:25 AM
in addition the scrapping of OICW and the xm-29 and even the HK xm-29 rifle style component, I don't doubt they are in the process of scrapping the OCSW as well. Whether a mark 19 replacement is in the works who knows, but the high velocity 40 mm grenade launcher component could be a valuable addition. The whole high tech way to launch a combustion oriented shell is really an oxymoron.... I honestly think the army has the right idea as is. Build relativelly cheap refit kits to augment existing systems.

At the end of the day if the OCSW had it's own IR detection and other targetting suite it might be worth it..... but as is it's just a carbon fiber cheap imitation of ma deuce with the same liabillities as the xm-29 (aka the whole electronic fusing thing has a problem with exploding in the barrel fo said weapon, so electronic fusing is obviously not an option for now). Either way we end up with a weapon that is strictly line of sight the difference being ma deuce brings on the foot pounds of extreme pain.

edit: foot pounds of extreme pain being limb amputating limitted armor piercing torso exploding goodness for those not familiar with the .50 HMG's general abillity to crush kill and destroy

[edit on 5-2-2006 by Sugarlump]

posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 03:00 PM
I doubt they will be getting rid of it.

The troops seem to like it, btw...

U.S. Army Soldiers Test New Weapons in Germany

GRAFENWÖHR, Germany, Oct. 4, 2005 – Soldiers with the 1st Infantry Division got a sneak peek at the Army’s future when they fired three experimental weapons at Grafenwöhr Training Area here.

The new weapons are upgraded versions of a grenade launcher, a machine gun and a semi-automatic rifle. The systems are produced at Picatinny Arsenal, an Army installation in New Jersey.

Army Lt. Col. Kevin Stoddard, project manager for crew-served weapons at Picatinny, said soldiers were getting a chance to fire “the next generation of soldier weapons.” He said the weapons were built from the ground up with feedback from soldiers after each step. The final result was the weapons that were fired Sept. 24.

"These weapons allow soldiers to get their first round on target, quickly engage the enemy and move to the next targe."
U.S. Army Lt. Col. Kevin Stoddard

With optical and thermal sights and little kickback, the weapons proved easy to fire, and most soldiers hit the targets on their first attempts.

“These weapons allow soldiers to get their first round on target, quickly engage the enemy and move to the next target,” Stoddard said.

Army Spec. Jason Enriquez, an infantryman with B Company, 2nd Battalion, 2nd Infantry Regiment, was the first Soldier in the area to fire the XM25, a semiautomatic weapon. He had glowing reports on its capabilities.

“It was totally smooth and light. It shot fantastic,” he said. “It moves your head and snaps you back. I never felt a kick like that before, but it was smooth. It wasn’t rough.”

The XM25 is equipped with a ballistic computer, thermal sights and zoom capabilities.

Like Enriquez, Army Spec. Matthew Krupa also found the weapon easy to use.

“The accuracy was amazing,” Krupa said, a tanker with Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 1st Battalion, 4th U.S. Cavalry Regiment. “The site was perfect, very advanced.”

Having the XM25 in Iraq would have proven beneficial, Krupa added.

“It would be good for getting people behind walls or ducking behind cars. It would have helped a lot,” he said.

Also tested was the XM312 machine gun, which shoots, handles and maintains like a light machine gun. Army Spec. Jay Teller and others were amazed at both the accuracy and steadiness of the XM312.

“It has a site, and it doesn’t move much because there isn’t much kick, so you can keep your eye right on the crosshairs,” said Teller, who serves as a scout with C Troop, 1st Bn., 4th U.S. Cav. Rgt. “It’s a very easy weapon to shoot.”

The ability to lay the first round on target is what impressed Teller the most.

“It would have been very beneficial downrange. There’s zero time for the bad guy to see what’s going on,” he said.

That also means a more optimal use of ammunition, noted Army Spec. Jonathan Calvin, a fueler with Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 121st Signal Battalion.

“It conserves a lot of rounds because of the accuracy. You would be able to hit your target every time,” Calvin said.

Also tested was the SM320, a low-velocity grenade launcher that either attaches to a host rifle or is fired as a stand-alone weapon. Although none of the Soldiers had used it before, most scored hits on their first try.

Stoddard said he expects the fielding of these advanced weapons to begin in 2008.

Hitting the target every time is overly optimistic imo. But having a higher first round % to hit is a plus...

posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 03:27 PM
XM-312 HMG

image courtesy of General Dynamics web site.

Here is some info on a potentional replacement of the Ma Deuce.

It's an old gun but it sure still works fine, if it aint broken, why fix it? unless they have some new goodies for the new gun

[edit on 2/6/2006 by GrOuNd_ZeRo]


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