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Originally posted by SteveR
Originally posted by The time lord
The only religion that is has blatant Anti-Christ propaganda.
Nope, in Islam, Jesus Christ is one of their recognized prophets. Lots of people don't know that though.
I don't think that Islam is the anti-christ, but I think the corrupt catholic church can make a good case for itself being "the anti-christ" by definition.
Jesus's words are so distorted by the church, and it is infested with corruption.
Originally posted by SteveR
Originally posted by The time lord
The only religion that is has blatant Anti-Christ propaganda.
Nope, in Islam, Jesus Christ is one of their recognized prophets. Lots of people don't know that though.
I don't think that Islam is the anti-christ, but I think the corrupt catholic church can make a good case for itself being "the anti-christ" by definition.
Jesus's words are so distorted by the church, and it is infested with corruption.
Originally posted by Nakash
Again, I don't know what the latest fads in Islam are, but I don't really care if Muhammed called himself the golden goose- the spirit and theology of the religion are on the wrong track.
Originally posted by The time lord
Originally posted by SteveR
Originally posted by The time lord
The only religion that is has blatant Anti-Christ propaganda.
Nope, in Islam, Jesus Christ is one of their recognized prophets. Lots of people don't know that though.
I don't think that Islam is the anti-christ, but I think the corrupt catholic church can make a good case for itself being "the anti-christ" by definition.
Jesus's words are so distorted by the church, and it is infested with corruption.
I know that the origins of Jesus is lowered and his convenant broken in Islam. Everything Jesus warns about is true in the Koran more than another other religion. The type of thing that Satan wanted from Jesus to fail as the King of kings and saviour tag is exactly what Islam wants. All the prophecies are to do with todays Islamic lands and some people are fullfilling it right now.
Yes the Chatholic church was a good counter fit but now I think since people have descoved what the basic teachings of Isalam is about people have a suspicion. The two could join to form a one world government for peace yes. It could happen as the problem action solution trick comes into play of one world religion of coming together. Guess what they want to and are doing so in small porsions. A mixed race Anti-Christ that brings both religions together to form the allies needed to take world control.
People think Jesus from the Bible is the same from the one of Koran he is not. Without the Bible the Koran has no history to support it self or him as an existed person.
The Bible is the most precise historical book it has many translations and copies that show it comes from the same original text than any other book needed for proof to show it has not changed. The only thing changed is us the language. You can not go to the father without believing in the Son, as the Son of God the saviour that is plain and simple.
So a direct denial of Jesus for Allah as a replacement is as Satanically predicted as one could wish for. Jesus has the Old Testiment as evidence of his coming and dead sea scrolls and ancient manuscrips still support the case unless they are also currupt which i doubt.
We can not unite in religion its an invite to Satanism terms. Its a divide and will remain untill the real God shows.
[edit on 15-3-2006 by The time lord]
Jesus never acknowledges to being God in the Bible
Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after
I have been among you such a long time?
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ...
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the
miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11).
"I am the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in me will live, even though he dies."
(John 11:25)
[3:45] The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news: a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.'
Quran Search
[2:87] We gave Moses the scripture, and subsequent to him we sent other messengers, and we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it not a fact that every time a messenger went to you with anything you disliked, your ego caused you to be arrogant? Some of them you rejected, and some of them you killed.
Quran Search
Originally posted by Nakash
You have got to be kidding- the Quran never changed in the past? The Ottoman Caliphs loved to write Quranic verses and add them, how can the Quran not have changed? The bible has never been edited, in fact this was the reason the RCC loved killing Protestants in the Dark ages- we kept the Greek originals instead of using the "official" Vulgate written by Jerome which supported their case. No, preserving our scriptures are a serious matter, and I believe we did a fine job at it. The KJ translation has already been verified via computer check sums for instance, it is consistent. I don't think anyone here called Muslims terrorists, we merely point out that Muhammed was by all available accounts a questionable figure to be given the title of prophet. Muslims terrorists? Pfah, this isn't an Ann Coulter show
[edit on 17-3-2006 by Nakash]
Originally posted by Deep_Blue
The Quran was not changed and there is only one version of the Quran , The miracle of the perfect Arabic language of the Quran will make it easy to expose any change even if one single line was changed.
Also the original copies of the Quran are well preserved in Museums all around the world:
The Qur'anic Manuscripts In Museums, Institutes, Libraries & Collections
Here is a good picture:
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More examples:
An Early Qur'anic Manuscript In Tashkent, Uzbekistan
An Early Qur'anic Manuscript In The Topkapi Museum, Istanbul, Turkey
Go and visit those Musems and compare the old manuscripts with the current Quran text.
Originally posted by Nakash
Blue, are you attempting to convince me or yourself? Do you honestly believe Constantine proclaimed the divinity of Christ ?
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Prior to the time of Constantine's "conversion," Christians were persecuted not so much for their profession of faith in Christ, but because they would not include pagan deities in their faith as well. Then, with Constantine's emphasis on making his new-found Christianity palatable to the heathen in the Empire, the "Christianization" of these pagan deities was facilitated. For example, pagan rituals and idols gradually took on Christian meanings and names and were incorporated into "Christian" worship (e.g., "saints" replaced the cult of pagan gods in both worship and as patrons of cities; mother/son statues were renamed Mary and Jesus; etc.), and pagan holidays were reclassified as Christian holy days (e.g., the Roman Lupercalia and the feast of purification of Isis became the Feast of the Nativity; the Saturnalia celebrations were replaced by Christmas celebrations; an ancient festival of the dead was replaced by All Souls Day, rededicated to Christian heroes [now Hallowe'en]; etc.). A transition had occurred -- instead of being persecuted for failure to worship pagan deities, Christians who did not agree with the particular orthodoxy backed by the Emperor were now persecuted in the name of Christ! "Christianized" Rome had become the legitimate successor of pagan Rome! This is the sad origin of the Roman Catholic Church.
Originally posted by Nakash
Quranic texts never existed during Mohammed's era- it was an oral tradition
Originally posted by Nakash
The NT has copies from about 60 years after the death of Jesus Christ, can the Quran claim the same for Muhammed ?
Originally posted by Nakash
There is a consistent reason for everything within the Christian bible
Originally posted by Nakash
Have you read the Bible Blue? I'm still up for that deal we were going to make (I'll read any Sura of your choosing, you will read a Gospel or other text of the NT of your own choosing)
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If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34?
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If redemption through the blood of Christ, that one member of the Trinity, is all that is necessary for salvation, how are we to explain the many, many occasions in the Gospel that Jesus (PBUH!) details the necessity of submitting directly to the One God -- without ever mentioning the role of his (Jesus', PBUH!) redeeming blood?