Originally posted by Souljah
You were right - you DONT WANT to KNOW, thats your problem. If you did, your mind might have reacted differently. Or not.
Skipping past your theatrics;
I said what I and many others feel about the campaign of misery that has continued for the better part of this century in our media and there is no
sight of an end to this. Day in and day out for years on end all we see is images of misery and decapitaion from Africa. No matter how much money is
thrown to stop this the situation doesnt get any better. Every month a new drama unfold in that continent. This in turn brings yet another round of
misery filled multimedia. To add to this we have propaganda style messages, preying upon compassion and questioning people's morality. It is not that
I or others dont know what is happening in Africa, I know very well that they are having a hard time but if decades of aid have not helped, then
clearly that is not the soluion to the problem.
Frankly, all the Aid that comes to Africa is NOT ENOUGH, if it were, there would not be Wars, Famine, Starvation, Diseases and DEATH all over the
Place. And did you know that PRIVATE DONATORS give alot more then any Goverments or Companies?
The West cannot be held as the excuse for the misery in Afrika, doing so is nothing but a vain attempt to cover up the inherent incompetence and
apathy of the people. Moreove the US in particular has not had any colonies, what ever external support they might extend to any govt is upto the govt
to decide. IF the support is considered as against the countries interests then they should abstain from accepting such help. Surely they know what is
and isnt good for them ?
There are WARS because there are militias and war lords who want to wage war not because companies suply guns. If not the West these warlords would
get them elsewhere. IT is the AFRIKAN warlords that are the problem.
Famine and Starvation is because of a lack of planning and governmetal effort to counter the food short fall .Also it is the lack of interest of the
people in wanting a better society. If they dont want to exert themselves inorder to want change they will dwindle into oblivion.
I remeber that India faced massive drought when the British left and now they produce a large excess of food even though their population is one of
the greatest in the world. Yet people still die out of starvation in India. Starvation is not a product of the inavailability of food.
Death and Disease are also rampant in Afrika and who is responsible for this ? Surely the Europeans who have left decades ago have conspired to bring
misery upon the people? NOT . The only cause for this is lack of education adn the reason there is inadequate education is because the people dont pay
enough importance to it and apply enough pressure on the people who rule to have more schools.
In short all of Afrika problems can be solved if only the people of afrika were more dynamic and assertive than what they are today. Theri fate is
determined by them and them alone blaming someone who isnt there is pathetic excuse at best.
About Private donation, the only people who give more than corporations are the people who run the corporations ( Ex: Bill Gates etc ). Corporation
usually give more than private induviduals.
Exactly. Thats why America has SUPER SIZED MENUS, so that the realy FAT people can Thrown the Extra Pounds of French-Fries - oops I mean
Spare me your attempts at caricaturizing the WEST. If you have no POINTS to add, I think you should stop posting. Such kind of drivel is useless.
Thats why America is throwing 50% of their FOOD TO WASTE, which is also creating an Enviromental Problem, with all the Menthane that the rotting food
Where did you come up with that ?
Even if the food was never eaten and let to rot naturally the same amount of methanel gas would be produced !
Is this the best you can come up with ??
You have given them NOTHING but empty Hopes and small packages of food - when in fact they need somebody to BUILD them Farms and Infrastructure -
And I am sure given time they would want a refrigerator, TV, Playstation and a car- all financed from the pockets of foolish westerners who actually
have jobs and DO work !
You have still not answered my basic question, why is the West supposed to give them anything ? If its colonialism then the US doesnt need to spend a
dime on them !
So now its they have to cope with it, when before you said there is nothing wrong with their Enviroment, and that they should live like they
did thousands of years ago.
Apparently you have forgotten what you've said about rapid desertification of Afrika. I implied that if such conditions exsist ( like dertification
) then the Afrikans should deal with it in any which way they know how. Their battles are their own, just as the Western worlds battles are our
They have survived the dertification of the SAHARA and thrived I am sure they can live unassisted now without aid too. They just see the West as an
opportunity to slack off and get fed for doing no work. Now that sort of culture has culminated into a whole lifestyle.
THE HELP GOES TO THE JEWS not the PALESTINIANS! If you did not notice, Palestinians DO NOT Live in Isreal - they live in West Bank and Gaza Strip,
Yet the United States still give FREE Military Technology to Isreal,
Now are yu going to teach me about Israel ? The Palestinians live in the West Bank ??
The "JEWS" are the ones who provide the Palestinians with jobs, civic ammentites like electricity, water etc. Also almost all the hospitals receive
aid from the Israeli authority, not to mention food donations. Dont preach to me about something you have no idea about ! Trying to divert the topic
is of no use as well, this is about Afrika isnt it ??
Why dont you talk more about Afrika and less about the West, Israel and me.
All I am saying si that, WE - as the Human Race, as the CITIZENS of this PLANET - can Togather, Make it BETTER, FOR EVERYONE! Not just for the Few,
Rich - but for everybody! PEACE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL - remember?
Who said that all the citizens of the world are makign the place a better place for the rich ?? Its the other way around. And also about the global
citizen platitudes, spare me! If Begging solved all the problems then I wonder why anybody would work ??
Errr, the West has Enormous Resources, because they STOLE alot of it in the Past.
Really ? If the West has so many resources I wonder why they still import oil, minerals, etc all of which are availabe in plenty in Africa. Also isnt
Afrika the largest producer of gold ?? They also have oil, natural gas. I wonder what else they need to be given to them on a silver plater so they
might condecend to work again !
But, you are practicly GIVING Free Aid to Isreal, why not the Africans, a People that REALLY need it. It is not like Isreali's are starving and
dying from simple curable diseaes, is it?
The US gives aid to Israel because it is mutually beneficial to both countries. Why does this mean the US should give similar amount of aid to Afrika
Why isnt Slovenia giving more aid to afrika ? why does it spend 300 million on a small country which is smaller that even Israel ?? Why is that the
rest of the world takes a back seat approach to the whole situation and look expectently on to the US ?? We are not the purse of the world. There is
no point in giving aid to afrika, when the world ignores them and they realize this that is when they will wake up to the reality of the situation and
mobilize to do what it takes.
And I think the Asia has a little bit different Climate, then the Africa. Yes, Asia was once also colonized but the White Man, but their history is
alot different and their way of life.
ASia might have different climate, which only mean they have differnet problems, which they deal with. They dont appear on TV and start a beggathon do
they? In fact I remember that during the Tsunami, some contries like India acutally refused aid ! I wonder how they can do that even after what the
"Colonial "powers "stole" their resources! It is because they have realised that what happened in the past is no excuse for slacking off in the
present and THAT is the difference between them and Afrika.
Singapore today is one of the most vibrant economies in the world, it was colonized by the British and brutalized by the Japanese. Yet they have
reached where they are now. Its is called the human spirit and like you if they kept finding out the reasons they cant succed they might as well have
ended up as a small fishing village.
The US prolonged the rule of Zairian dictator Mobutu Sese Soko by providing more than $300 million in Weapons and $100 million in Military Training.
Mobutu used his US-supplied arsenal to repress his own people and Plunder his nation's economy for Three decades! To top it all, His family holds his
fortune, and his country holds his $12 billion debt - in a nation with an annual income of $110 per capita, each resident theoretically owes foreign
Again you have perverted the truth to suite your agenda. Maybe the antiwar.com or talkleft.com site from where you are blindly quoting the figures
have forgotten to mention that the govt of Congo had only 2 of the six provinces under its control in 1961 and Patrice Lumumba, the commisar from
mother russia was intent on spliting Katanga from Congo thereby removing the only mineral resources form the region and ensuring that the moderate
govt under Adoula would come crashing down making it easier for the Marxists to swallow it whole. To stop this from happening, the US tried under the
UN to resolve the conflict without leading to any sucession. However despite that the Marxists-Leninists set up a govt and tormented their people,
conveniently this lasted just as long as the Soviet Union and in 1990 they decided to democratise it again.
Your attempt at twisting fact is almost as dispicable as the vain excuses used by the africans to conceal their own inabilites.
They are not BEGGING - they are DYING as we speak! That is not Begging, that is a CALL FOR HELP.
Is it ?? Apparently that 'call for help' has been going on for a better part of a century ! If they were 'dying' I wouldnt be able to hear them
anymore but instead they have now permanetly supplanted themselves into the media and refuse to end their beggathon anytime soon. A sort of
decolonialism, exploitation of the rich !
So you see a Dying man on the Street, you can see that he is in PRETTY Bad shape, what do you do?
Call 911 so that I can drive out without having to drive around him .
So it is YOUR WISH to Give one Third of 14 Billion dollars worth of ARMS to known human rights abusers? It is YOUR WISH to transferre weaponry to 18
of the 25 countries involved in active conflicts?
Human rights abusers ? You mean the Palestinians ? Then you are right, the US aid to Palestine is indeed unecessary. As for the 25 countries, it is
obvious, they would need the money to contend with the conflicts wouldnt they ? If their was no conflict they could do without the aid.
Also giving aid in some cases can bring about a reversal in a situation where the people of the land do the work for themselves and the aid is merely
a catalyst in their progress. But not people who start a subsistence culture which depends on western aid.