Madnessinmysoul
africa has been exploited, and now the nations that exploited them have to pay some sort of damages or at the very least assist them in fixing the problems.

So has china , india Korea, Phillipines, South America, Burma, Pakistan, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. We dont see the same situation there do we ? Why is that ?? Were they not exploited as much ?
And what about blacks in Jamaica etc were they not oppressed? What compensation have they received and why do they not part of the same misery machine like that of Sub-Saharan Africa ?

How about if all the countries in the world that has taken natural resources out of Africa return the wealth they acquired from the rape of their land.

That will be a good start.

But wait !!!! that can not be done, to much money. . .to much profits, to much wealth most of the governments in African are corrupt and has been supported by the same corporate interest that wants them there to help keep the profits rolling.

So lets keep giving them arms so they can stay busy killing each other.

It doesn't take but a littler bit research into Africa and its history to see what is going on.

But I forgot many people in the US just don't like history unless is only the one they were force to learn in high schools.

What a pity.

The only way to understand other nations and the reason things do not work the way it does here in the west is because they Are not like us.

You can not work in a job that is not there

You can not eat what is no there to eat

You can not survive when is not help, no security not laws to protect you

You can never win over corrupt governments that are only there to cater to highest bidders of the world.

Nobody cares about the African people because deep in the mind of many they are seen as less than humans thanks to our own historical past.

Pity.

Originally posted by IAF101
Because they dont have any marketable skills.

Oh yeah - they sure can not Market their own Death and Suffering alot. There are no Mass Media there to Transmit the Events LIVE! direct to your Home, are there?

As you say when there is a will there is a way. If not the big companies then some other companies will sell arms. Its not the people who sell who are at fault, it is the people who buy. If they stop buying nobody will sell to them.
Its that simple, blaming the West is not the excuse for all your problems.
Typical Socialist nonsense.

So you say it is NOT the fault of the Dealer, to sell Heroin to the 14-Year old Girl, and keeps her addicted? The west has Generated an Enormous Third World with the Rapid Spread of Corporate Capitalism. That's why half of the food that US grow is thrown away, while the majority of the people of this world starve to death? Justice? Or just Capitalistic thinking - NO PROFITS!

Like they did all the thousands of years before their were electric pumps and dams and pipelines for water. And again, when there is a will there is a way!
Also the people of Saudi Arabia farm, they could do it that way.

Well if you did not Notice, the CLIMATE has changed ALOT since the Thousands years ago, and Sahara desert is SPREADING fast, the Temperatures have increased and the Water season is now shorter and more Dry then before. The People of Saudi Arabia FARM because they can AFFORD the Western CORPORATIONS to come there and shake their hands and sell them Irregiation technology. Do the people of Africa share the same priviledge? NOPE!

Also why should the West help? Why cant the East help or the North or the South ? Why they West? And what in it for the West? Why should the West be the purse of the world that every is cut by every theif so that they can procrastinate the inevitable ??

Why is the WEST helping so much the People of Middle East? Why? Why is US giving ISREAL so much help - it is not like they NEED IT, they have Booming economy, they have lots of Weapons and basicl EVERYTHING They need, but the US still provides them MORE help then all African Countries combined. FAIR?

Are you saying that for thousands of years they just lived without Fresh Water and now htey realise that there is no Fresh Water ? How did they live before for millenia, I suggest they utilize the same resource for fresh water.
The West is not GOD. We cant bring water down from the heavens. They must do with what they have. IF they are incapable of doing so then no one is responible for their fate.

As I said before - the Planets CLIMATE has Changed SEVERLY. You know why? Because the GREEDY Corporate world does not care for the Effects that they leave on the Enviroment, their only Concern is PROFIT, even if it means cutting down Rainforrest, Increasing the Global Warming or selling Guns in Africa. The West has ENORMOUS Resources, and above all, ENORMOUS ammount of Wealth, which they keep for themselves. If you did not notice, people of Africa can NOT do ANYTHING with what they have, because they basilcly have very FEW. All I am saying, that a little help from everybody would mean ALOT of help for them. It is like every 10th Person in this World would give 10$ - not much for them, but when you put it togather its alot!

Africa cant give anything.

EXCATLY! Now you have shown a Typical Answer, with which you have said much more then just 4 words.

And Why exactly should the West give ??? Is there some contract that Western nations have signed that says that all the worlds misery is the Wests burden ?

Well the WEST has created this Mess - why doesn't it FIX it NOW? It is the Legacy of EUROPEAN Colonialism - not the Legacy of CHINESE Colonialism if I am not mistaken. And the saddest part is, that this Colonialms is still going on.

Profit ? Where is that ?
Just because a company sell something doesnt mean it is "abusing" the seller. If the selller feels 'abused' they need not buy. No one is forcing them to buy anything. They are independent, they should be able to take care of themselves. After all isnt the popular perception that the West is too interventionist. Well here is some isolationism .

I am sure the the Militias which BUY the Weapons really Want them - and they are also considered TERRORIST Organizations according to International Laws, and they have Slaughtered many Innocent Civilians, just like Saddam did. Still, they get Weapons without any problem, they kill people without anybody stopping them, and thats it! But the PEOPLE of Africa do not want guns - they want FOOD and WATER and JOBS and FREEDOM and a change to LIVE!

Maybe if you had been more balanced and said howmuch Slovenia contributed to the Africa other than the 300 million it spends on buying weapons and financing foreign trips for its soldiers. They probably Africa might have been batter off.

I am sorry, but we do not have Multi-Billion-Dollar Budgets, where 0.7 instead of 0.3 % would mean LIFE or DEATH to some people. There is only 2 Million of us living here on a small piece of land, and we are not really Strong and Powerful like the United States is. Why does your president feel the NEED to help the people of Iraq? And the people of Isreal?

You have presented the facts and blamed the West as if it is the Wests duty to give aid, which is not so. What the West is doing is out of kindness not compulsion dont forget that.
Here's another saying; Dont count the teeth of a gift horse.

West is actually doing NOT MUCH. They are just Covering up a real FUBAR of a situation with a small ammount of their BIG BUDGETS, so that they can say, "HEY, we are giving them Money and Help, now SHUTUP" - like you are trying to do to me. But the Problem is that I WILL NOT SHUTUP!

Get used to it.

Thumbs up to the SoulJah!

They rob and steal from the third world and allow charities to advertise the mess they create knowing fool well it'll do no good. Africa is rich in nearly every mineral and metal there is including colbolt and dimaonds. The 10+ day riots in France was an example of Africans taking up their cause, something that was played down by the media stating that it was all down to two youths running into an electric power house... BOLLOCKS!... Its ALL BOLLOCKS! The west is nothing but a hotbed of fraudulent politics full of brainwashed people who can do nothing but belive whats pumped out at them 24/7. Ask anyone about how the people of the third world have contributed to ''modern'' day society and they'll say nothing.... Due to a brainwashing school system and a completely crap society that would rather dig into David Beckhams ass than tell the truth about whats going on in the third world.

This is something that really grates with me, something that people on here can't accept as real because its too real. I'm tired of not knowing if my family members are alive or dead, I'm tired of knowing that my people are suffering under a system that I contribute to through tax and I'm tired of being treated with disrespect by other races who watch tv thinking that my people are low or just can't do anything for themselves when the truth is that the European government has a tendancy to shoot down anyone who tries to stand and put back together what was taken apart.

Who sold WMD to Saddam? Who gave Bin Laden money through Pakistan? Whos corrupting nations and stealing diamonds and oil a la Mark Thatcher?

I can't get angry enough. Belive me, I'm an upper middle class Jamaican living in England and when I get the chance I'm leaving this country. My kids WILL NOT be brainwashed by this system.

Anyone on here taking the piss out of what Mr SoulJah has to say is DISGUSTING and dosen't know what its like to have to scrape from the bottom of the barrel while you're being robbed by the country you live in. When the tables turn I'll feel no shame for you people belive me.

P.S; Europeans on here should not feel as though this is their fault, it is your governments, no one in England wanted to go to war in Iraq, and it happened... the president of america won his seat FRAUDULENTLY, ie; he shouldn't be there and above the cries of the American public hes still there. The West has long gone rouge and attention needs to be brought to it.

I'm going to copy and print out this thread SoulJah, I got kicked off of blackchat.co.uk after the riots in birmingham. Apparently we can't speak out or draw attention to our (ie; the third worlds) problems for fear of being called rasict.

Thanks for posting.

it isn't just population, though that is one contributing factor.

it's also the lack of attention that africa gets.

we need to get more people informed on the situation so we can have more intelligent discussion on this amoung the general public. instead of talking about a book from oprah's book club, we can talk about impoverished africans being wronged.

Originally posted by An Entity

The 10+ day riots in France was an example of Africans taking up their cause,
--snip--

I can't get angry enough. Belive me, I'm an upper middle class Jamaican living in England and when I get the chance I'm leaving this country. My kids WILL NOT be brainwashed by this system.

The people rioting in France were primarily North African muslims. The very same people who enslaved and exploited Africa for centuries before the Europeans showed up.

About your second comment, if you care so much about turning things around in Jamaica then why the heck are you living in England and what's stopping you from going back to Jamaica?

[edit on 1-2-2006 by AceOfBase]

Well is actually enough land in Africa to be enough for everybody.

The problem with the population is due to the migrations of people from their natural lands to other areas due to wars and conflicts.

When people move from one area into another one already populated in causes overpopulation not because is not enough land but because is to many people living in a limited area.

But this is all due to the wars and conflicts, ethnic cleansing and Religious groups getting rid of one another.

What African used to be a land rule by tribal groups has been broken by borders.

"Why are there so Many Conflicts in Africa?

Why are there so Many Dead every Year?

Why do People Starve every Year?

Why do they Die of completly Curable Diseases?

Why is this Human Tragedy in Africa SO Ignored?

Why don't the People Talk about it?"


the answer is so simple and obvious, i really cant believe this is even a serious question. maybe some people are just BLIND to the facts of life

Originally posted by Mr Shush
"Why are there so Many Conflicts in Africa?

Why are there so Many Dead every Year?

Why do People Starve every Year?

Why do they Die of completly Curable Diseases?

Why is this Human Tragedy in Africa SO Ignored?

Why don't the People Talk about it?"


the answer is so simple and obvious, i really cant believe this is even a serious question. maybe some people are just BLIND to the facts of life

if the answer is so simple and obvious, why don't you enlighten us all?

come on, are you afraid that we're going to use logic to refute your explaination?

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by An Entity

The 10+ day riots in France was an example of Africans taking up their cause,
--snip--

I can't get angry enough. Belive me, I'm an upper middle class Jamaican living in England and when I get the chance I'm leaving this country. My kids WILL NOT be brainwashed by this system.

The people rioting in France were primarily North African muslims. The very same people who enslaved and exploited Africa for centuries before the Europeans showed up.

About your second comment, if you care so much about turning things around in Jamaica then why the heck are you living in England and what's stopping you from going back to Jamaica?

[edit on 1-2-2006 by AceOfBase]

How can you even comment on something you have no idea about?

Your posts are simply ignorant and have no standing when compared to REAL life experience. You're talking to someone whos been shot at... someone whos family has come from NOTHING to England, fighting your racist scum all the way.. in school, on the street. Fighting to simply live and survive in your braindead society.

IMAO!

What ghetto are you from? My faimily is from SPANISH TOWN look it up, then tell me why you think my parents never listened to me when I used to beg them to go back home? My Grandmother was stabbed to death in her bed... my other grandparents would gladly come on here and tell you story after story about people who have died on the streets/in shoot outs just trying to survive in Jamaica. Its like asking,

''why don't you go back and live in Harrlem?''

I'm 22 and even though it would mean risking my life I will go back to Jamaica. lol. Those people speak more old English than you do. If only we could swap places, you could wear my scars and have half your friends locked up in prison for trying to survive in England alone.

You live a lie, you have been given a faulse sence of superiority over other races and thats coming from someone whos probably had a better education than you. In your country, dosen't that suck?...

Originally posted by Souljah
Oh yeah - they sure can not Market their own Death and Suffering alot. There are no Mass Media there to Transmit the Events LIVE! direct to your Home, are there?

Exactly, they market misery which I dont want to see or know about. Plus you are wrong about the mass media, they sure as hell show a lot of the misery directly into my 41" HD.
You you know what its like seeing them in hi-def ?

So you say it is NOT the fault of the Dealer, to sell Heroin to the 14-Year old Girl, and keeps her addicted? The west has Generated an Enormous Third World with the Rapid Spread of Corporate Capitalism. That's why half of the food that US grow is thrown away, while the majority of the people of this world starve to death? Justice?

No the dealer would not be at fault if their is no law to stop him from doing so, The authorities must pass law and people will comply.
The West has created nothing, especially America. And Corporte capitalism is what gives them food to eat and aid. Do you know that corporations donate money for aid too.
How much food we throw away is no business of anybody else. We pay for it with our money which we have earned not appear on Tv saying give me this and give me that. And its not like we are not giving anything is it, we give so much yet it is not enought. Its time they learn to start fending for themselves.

Well if you did not Notice, the CLIMATE has changed ALOT since the Thousands years ago, and Sahara desert is SPREADING fast, the Temperatures have increased and the Water season is now shorter and more Dry then before.

They should plant more trees then, build up rainforests and all that jazz to have the pristine environment that they want. The climate change is inevitable and they just have to cope with it. They are human after all, they can adapt to changes in climate like the people in the middle east did.

Why is the WEST helping so much the People of Middle East? Why? Why is US giving ISREAL so much help - it is not like they NEED IT,
but the US still provides them MORE help then all African Countries combined. FAIR?

Becasue the US sees that helping these nations are in its best interests. And the Israelis need it, they got their own bunch of oppressed people dont they.
Who said life was fair, do you think it was fair that the BRitish stole our maney in taxes and then we had to loose thousands to get rid of them without any compensation ?? Nothing is fair. If you want fair you have to make it fair.

Because the GREEDY Corporate world does not care for the Effects that they leave on the Enviroment, their only Concern is PROFIT, even if it means cutting down Rainforrest, Increasing the Global Warming or selling Guns in Africa.
The West has ENORMOUS Resources, and above all, ENORMOUS ammount of Wealth, which they keep for themselves.

Then why dont the rest of the good coperations cover the rest of the world into the pristine paradise they want. I am sure if all the rest of the world were to chip in the Wests greediness could be neutralized.
The west has enormous resources because they earned it, as for the US this is especially true. Why should the US part with its hard earned money ? Obviously we keep it to ourselves, we earned it didnt we !
I suggest that the africans do the same. The rest of teh world is doing it like the asian nations, why cant the africans ?

EXCATLY! Now you have shown a Typical Answer, with which you have said much more then just 4 words.

Glad you understand, the Africans should understand this too.

Well the WEST has created this Mess - why doesn't it FIX it NOW? It is the Legacy of EUROPEAN Colonialism - not the Legacy of CHINESE Colonialism if I am not mistaken. And the saddest part is, that this Colonialms is still going on.

When did the US create any mess in africa ? The US hasnt even been to most of these countries. European colonialims has worked wonders on countries like Singapore, India etc. they arent asking for handouts.

But the PEOPLE of Africa do not want guns - they want FOOD and WATER and JOBS and FREEDOM and a change to LIVE!

Then they should see that they get it, not give up hope and resort to begging. Begging is not the answer.

West is actually doing NOT MUCH. They are just Covering up a real FUBAR of a situation with a small ammount of their BIG BUDGETS,

Then why doesnt the rest of the world do the MUCH that is required ?
The West doesnt need to coverup anything, what will the africans do if the West stops giving them money ? What will any country do if the US stops giving it aid ? NOTHING !
It is our WISH if we want to give aid or not, not a compulsion upon us.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by IAF101]

Originally posted by Souljah
Oh wait - the GOOD WHITE PEOPLE have came to yet ANOTHER Continent, SLAUGHTERED the Native Population and Taken it for themselves! The Majority of the People of Australia are WHITE - which were not he Native People before the Arrival of the White Man. I am sure that the WHITE MAN will take care of Himself and His Piece of Land.

Have you ever been to australi Souljah ??
If you have you would know that aborigines are given a lot of respect in Australia today and the govt there is activly trying to preserve their culture.
Also in newzeland, the maori are taken very good care of and their traditions are treated with great respect.

As for the rest of the histrionics you ahve posted, remember that they do not influence anybody.

^^Yeah right. What about the race riots last year? Still beating up anyone that isn't pale and sickly are we?

You really are a miseducated twat. Your posts wouldn't even stand in a face to face debate.

On second thought maybe you know more than I first gave you credit for;

The West has created nothing

You're near enough right on that one. Theives and priates would obviously rather claim credit for having discovered things that they've stolen from other countries. Even your folklore is taken from other nations, how much have you taken and learnt from Egypt?... to use one example?

I bet you wouldn't know about that....

Did you know that Christianity was in Ethiopia well before it hit the shores of Europe?

Nah, you wouldn't know...

If you were to trace your blood line back to its roots, where would it go?....

lol. You'd have no clue....

Whats the relation between KEMIT and Chemistry?.... Or even Alkhemy?.

Damn, your piss poor state schooling didn't teach you that either....

Whats that story about a one eyed evil child being born that the Bantu tribe of Africa talk about? As the story goes he has a thing for making people lazy through convienience.

Whoops, I guess that didn't hit your school books.....

How do the Dogon tribe of Africa know about Orion? Funny that they've been using the symbol of the Fish (christ) for thousands of years wouldn't you think?

Duh, too busy wanking off on the cross at school were we?....

Odd that Egyptology is found in nearly every mainstream religion, and its roots are in one big old continent that you'd think had nothing to offer but material gain.

Crap really hits the fan....

Bet you would never have thought that the Amer-Indians (native americans) tribal tales were near enough exactly the same as those in Africa and China.

Nah, its all about money isn't it?...

Take a look at your dollar bill and remember that that pyramid isnt Egyptian... Its from Sudan.

Who built Madrid? Who are the Moors of Africa?

Man I could go on, I haven't even goten to the rest of the third world yet. I'll state it again though.

You have been given a faulse sence of superiority, you have not achived as much as you think except the art of theft and genocide. Your system will not and cannot last because as bad as you make things in our homelands we are in yours, however spiritually devoid it has become, and belive me, that void will be your curse.

Prick.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by An Entity]

Originally posted by An Entity
^^Yeah right. What about the race riots last year? Still beating up anyone that isn't pale and sickly are we?

Remember carefully, that was Muslims not aboriginees !

Originally posted by An Entity

You're talking to someone whos been shot at... someone whos family has come from NOTHING to England, fighting your racist scum all the way.. in school, on the street. Fighting to simply live and survive in your braindead society.

IMAO!

What ghetto are you from? My faimily is from SPANISH TOWN look it up, then tell me why you think my parents never listened to me when I used to beg them to go back home? My Grandmother was stabbed to death in her bed... my other grandparents would gladly come on here and tell you story after story about people who have died on the streets/in shoot outs just trying to survive in Jamaica.

I really don't care what you went through when you moved to England, nor do I care what you went through in Jamaica. You mention the violence in Jamaica but who is responsible for that violence?
Were you getting shot and stabbed by whites?
I doubt it.

The violence in Jamaica drives away people who would otherwise invest in that nation so it just continues to live in poverty. The areas Jamaicans move into, like Toronto Canada and probably England, also become violent and will eventually drive people away so those areas will become rife with poverty themselves.

When those areas of Britain become just as violent and poor as the places you moved from who will you blame? You'll probably blame the government just as the French did but that's not where the problem lies.

This problem with violence (and often corruption) keeping away investors is also part of what's happening in Africa. People don't want to invest in places that aren't safe and they don't want to move there either.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by IAF101

They should plant more trees then, build up rainforest's and all that jazz to have the pristine environment that they want. The climate change is inevitable and they just have to cope with it. They are human after all, they can adapt to changes in climate like the people in the middle east did.

I imagine that you have not clue as the type of Climate in the regions of the Continent of Africa, do you.

Build rain forest? excused me but do you know anything about Geography and Topography?

Rain forest are not build they come with the region and BTW they have been destroyed every day as we speak.

The west has a lost of influences on making wars where is profitable and invading countries that are key to our economic future.

But Africa doesn't fall in that category because already the Niger Valley has been exploited by US interest.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by marg6043]

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by An Entity

You're talking to someone whos been shot at... someone whos family has come from NOTHING to England, fighting your racist scum all the way.. in school, on the street. Fighting to simply live and survive in your braindead society.

IMAO!

What ghetto are you from? My faimily is from SPANISH TOWN look it up, then tell me why you think my parents never listened to me when I used to beg them to go back home? My Grandmother was stabbed to death in her bed... my other grandparents would gladly come on here and tell you story after story about people who have died on the streets/in shoot outs just trying to survive in Jamaica.

I really don't care what you went through when you moved to England, nor do I care what you went through in Jamaica. You mention the violence in Jamaica but who is responsible for that violence?
Were you getting shot and stabbed by whites?
I doubt it.

The violence in Jamaica drives away people who would otherwise invest in that nation so it just continues to live in poverty. The areas Jamaicans move into, like Toronto Canada and probably England, also become violent and will eventually drive people away so those areas will become rife with poverty themselves.

When those areas of Britain become just as violent and poor as the places you moved from who will you blame? You'll probably blame the government just as the French did but that's not where the problem lies.

This problem with violence (and often corruption) keeping away investors is also part of what's happening in Africa. People don't want to invest in places that aren't safe and they don't want to move there either.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by AceOfBase]

lol.

Your politics is what is giving us trouble in Jamaica. Your politicians are more corrupt that you think. We get barrels of cocaine float up on our shores. The Columbians work with the CIA to sell drugs and the well named, ''black market'' has Europes fingerprints all over it.

We don't make guns. Your government does... along with Aids and other nasty lab experiments. Take a look on this site and you'll find the proof.

I love how your people are afraid of us as we walk down the street. Smells of guilt to me.

The tables will and are turning