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Canadian diplomats shot at by U.S. troops

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posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 09:49 AM
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Well, this is not very good. I can understand the state of paranoia, but I would think that there would be more communication going on between allies.

cnews.canoe.ca...

Four Canadian diplomats, including the charge d'affaires to Iraq, escaped injury Tuesday when their vehicle was shot at in Baghdad by U.S. soldiers.

"We are aware of this incident and the American and Canadian authorities are looking into it," said a spokeswoman at the Canadian Embassy in neighbouring Jordan, who declined to be identified further in line with embassy policy. She said all four, including charge d'affaires Stewart Henderson, were travelling in one vehicle.




posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 09:52 AM
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Don't pass the convoy. Never pass the American heavily armed jittery convoy.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 11:19 AM
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There are two completely different stories being told here.

People that were in the car say that they did not try to pass the convoy. The convoy turned left and as the Canadian car passed the rear of the convoy, the tailgunner opened fire. The Canadians say there was no hand signals and no warning shots.

I can understand that mistakes happen and I can understand that the soldiers are nervous. However, I don't like being lied to and think that if the US makes a mistake, the nice thing to do is apologize and not try and blame the people they shot at.

www.ctv.ca...
There's some video of the reports off to the right on the linked page.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 12:54 PM
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Hey what are you trying to say? The U.S. makes mistakes! how dare you Canadians. (I'm a Canadian) No point in arguing this because the American's have spoken and its our word agaist there's. Yes they made a mistake but no one will ever admit to it. Lets just be thankful in this situation no one was hurt or killed.
Lets just move on and say its was a accident and always remember that we will never be like that!
Own up to your mistakes and the solution is so much easier to find!

Lets just be friends OK!
Peace



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 01:44 PM
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cnews.canoe.ca...
[Lt.-Col. Barry Johnson, spokesman for the multinational force in Iraq] said the troops were driving within the heavily fortified Green Zone when they signalled to a convoy of cars approaching them to stop.

"But the convoy continued to approach and failed to stop, and the soldiers fired warning rounds at the front of the vehicles, resulting in no injuries," Johnson said.

"After checking, it was found that the vehicles belonged to the Canadian Embassy."
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He also noted that military convoys carry markings warning that the common procedure is not to pass, a precaution against suicide bombers.


I've said it before, these convoys and checkpoints and roadblocks need to have some sort of thing that clearly and blatantly indicates to a person that they need to stop and then when they can go.

If only there was something in the world that could accomplish this incredibly difficult task.....




I mean, maybe we could all pool our resources together and form a blue ribbon committee to investigate the causes of the problem and som epossible solutions.


Clearly it'd have to involve some great technological advances and many man hours of research.



Not to mention some radically new equipment will have to be designed,


using the latest advanced polymers and materials.


We definitly need som heroic people to accomplish this.
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In the end it might not even be worth it, because only the most highly intelligent sorts of people are going to be able to understand the complex and alternating sets of commands being issued




posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 02:08 PM
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That sounds like a great idea.


Then perhaps the Canadians in the car wouldn't be saying things like this:



Cameron told CTV News that the Canadian convoy was keeping a good distance and that no one in her vehicle saw any hand signals from the Americans to indicate they were too close.

She also said the three shots fired were not a warning and that one of the bullets went right through the windshield and narrowly missed a passenger.

"How many warning shots go across a vehicle into the passenger compartment?," Cameron told CTV News.

Link provided in my previous post



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 02:17 PM
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Sorry for the Canadians and what they had to endure, taking in consideration the hostile environment in Iraq.

First of all if the vehicle had not identification US will shot to target to any car that are to close for comfort.

This a fact.

And for anybody that will said the contrary, I have very good sources from Iraq that said "That is the way it goes".

Why? because Iraq is and remains a very hostile environment for our troops.

NO, the are not trigger happy but just very cautious and is a matter of survival.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 02:23 PM
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I know it's a fact of life in Iraq.

There is some dispute over if the car was flagged or not. The US says it wasn't, the Canadians say it was. There's a lot more info in the videos at the link I gave.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 03:57 PM
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mistake?? what mistake??? canadians are all a bunch of liberals, and we all know who the REAL enemy is here, don't we?? why, it's the liberals of course!! sorry, just couldn't help it, but if you listen closelly to what some of these hard nosed ultra right conservatives say, well, you can end up wondering just who is public enemy number one in their books, the terrorists, or those very "evil" liberals"...

I hope the canadians don't feel too badly about this,
I mean, it isn't like we bombed their embasy or anything, we did that to the chinese....



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar

I hope the canadians don't feel too badly about this,
I mean, it isn't like we bombed their embasy or anything, we did that to the chinese....



Thanks that part of your post has make me laugh to tears.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:07 PM
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Nah, no hard feelings. At least nobody was hurt this time.

It would just be nice to get an 'Oops, sorry about that' when we get shot at/bombed. Mistakes happen to everyone, even the US army.

Good thing we don't have an embassy in Iraq!



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Duzey
Nah, no hard feelings. At least nobody was hurt this time.



I going to give you a hint of how bad things are when it comes to finding out who is who in Iraq.

Is been accidental shootings more often than wanted between US paid security groups and troops because is not communications between these groups and US troops so when people get to close for comfort and they do not make any signs (Even when it could be the enemy anyway) the troops will shot.

I wonder why troops were not warn about having these diplomats going around or with any type of escort.

Unless the escort was a private security group.

But then again communications are a big problem in Iraq.



[edit on 1-2-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I wonder why troops were not warn about having these diplomats going around or with any type of escort.



Diplomats don't exactly advertise as to what country they represent. Having flags on the hood is not a very good idea unless you are in your own country, kind of like the President of the U.S. limo cruising down the street with the flags proudly displaying, no doubt showing a Canadian flag would just invite itself as a target for terrorists or insurgents. And with patrols you can't inform everyone since patrols are constantly changing, meeting this patrol of one unit, and later on 5 minutes later meeting another patrol of another unit.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by deltaboy]



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by deltaboy

Diplomats don't exactly advertise as to what country they represent.


No they don't and for security purpose that is the fact, but to avoid problems of shooting the wrong people it should be some type of communications.

And that is what is going on the communication between troops and other people is a problem in Iraq.

And for that the government has been working for the last 2 years in a project to help, but . . . the project is not going as fast as it should be and it has to many set back.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:41 PM
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Geez, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Flag the car and be a target for the insurgents/terrorists. Don't flag your car and be a target for the US.

What's a diplomat to do?



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Duzey
What's a diplomat to do?


Get the hell out of Dodgeabad?


[edit on 1-2-2006 by intrepid]



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
"But the convoy continued to approach and failed to stop, and the soldiers fired warning rounds at the front of the vehicles, resulting in no injuries," Johnson said.


I know I'm a little old and creaky now, and basically passed it in any relevant way, but way back when I was a young whippersnapper ready to take on the world single-handedly warning shots were fired in the air or over their heads or even, hoary old chestnut, across their bows...When the hell were warning shots ever fired at someone?



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 05:48 PM
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Canadians will let this pass. No-one got killed and I figure following a convoy full of troops in the green zone has got to be a dangerous game.

I have no beef with the soldier/s involved. I wish them a safe stay in Baghdad.

I'm thinking the reason for the incident is that they were staying close to the convoy thinking it would be safer for them and it backfired. (pun intended)



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
Get the hell out of Dodgeabad?



I certainly hope you got a warning for that one-liner.


The original link valkeryie provided has been updated with this nifty piece of information:


The U.S. convoy had pulled off to the side of the road and was several lanes from the Canadian vehicle behind a waist-high cement barrier when the shots occurred, the diplomat said.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 06:05 PM
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This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Look at what did in an arena that Canadian troops were fighting alongside US forces:

www-tech.mit.edu...

Makes one wonder whether it's advisable to back up an ally(?).

OK, lack of communication again or just gunslinger tactics? You don't see Canadian forces whacking friendlies.



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