State of the Union, 2006

President Bush is going to address the Union in 15minutes (9pm EST) on channels 3, 5, 8 and probably all the other news carriers..

Use this thread to discuss it... not really much to say right now other then I'm expecting more of the same. Lies, half truths, and very little hope

Hope he proves me wrong.

-9:15 PM Eastern Time: First 9/11 mention
-Weapons of Mass Murder, now, is it?
-Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am), but I thought the Joint Chiefs were, by tradition, not to applaud?

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wants patriot act reinstated and phone tap on every call in and out of usa of suspected alqaida members and others like them

He stumbles over his words alot....

MAKE TAX CUTS PERMANENT, yet 60% of the governments money is going to the old folks...

He wants everything we grow to be traded, he should say legalize marijuana, drug trade would make alot of money....

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At least there was a 50% sit/stand in the chamber to make tax cuts permanent

hahahah....
the democrats looked like a bunch of ruffians when they applauded as Bush complained about his social security "fix".

He keeps spouting off about the strength of the economy. I wish i was a litter more advanced in my economics courses...


THE OBGYN STRIKES AGAIN!



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got a little angry about that part on cloning and all banning of it.

that is insane we need that rechearch for getting a grip on alsheimer and other major deseases.

and reason why we can not do that is because of a so called creater which is a theory and its excistence is yet to be proven.
if there is a creator why are people having all of those illnesses.

we have to do this rechearch and if usa is not leading I hope the netherlands will because it is needed .

Well, so far then only thing I disagree with him about is Illegal Immigration. There should be no temporary workers program, there should only be our National Guard on the border.

Yea we do need the cloning thing, but only for some reasons, I think it'd be stupid to try and solve world hunger, if we do there just going to repopulate and it'll just cause greater problems...

I much perferd the last 15 min on socail issues. I even claped. And when he brought up cloning and said "every life is given by the creator" I shouted for joy and said "We Got UM!"

But yes I do feel there were things I dissaggreed with in the first parts of his speach however I would stand by everything he said about renewabale energy and new sources, funding for math and science, education, socail issues, and stuff of that like.

Yea we do need the cloning thing, but only for some reasons, I think it'd be stupid to try and solve world hunger, if we do there just going to repopulate and it'll just cause greater problems...

Hello all,

I'm new here, first night, and it's almost bedtime, so I probably won't be among you long this evening. Just a quick thought or two.

Just because we (human beings) can do something dows not necessarily meant we should. Look at the development of atomic/ nuclear energy and what that has lead too. We typically wade in way over our heads before we have any idea how deep the pool is.

It all seems like garbage. Notice how he stubles over his words alot? I wnoder why.

Especially his plan for Illegal Immigration. The borders are wide open, and he is doing next to nothing.

For shame. It seems like everything he says is happening, the opposite is actually happening.

Most of the speech was bold, but very cut and paste.

He took bits from all of his recent speeches that drew applause, and just put them all together into a big speech.

Sort of like "Bush's Greatest Hits"..

Originally posted by Mizar
I much perferd the last 15 min on socail issues. I even claped. And when he brought up cloning and said "every life is given by the creator" I shouted for joy and said "We Got UM!"

But yes I do feel there were things I dissaggreed with in the first parts of his speach however I would stand by everything he said about renewabale energy and new sources, funding for math and science, education, socail issues, and stuff of that like.

I am angry because there is no proof for a so called 'creator'
just a theory just like evolution is a theory and for that evolution has more evidence currently.

I see that cloning methodes can be used to safe life and let people life long and or longer lifes. well if people want childeren and this is the only way and I just say if it is the only way and other ways have been tried this has to be an option to. we are not going to clone every body only cells .

and they don't see it as taking life a group of cells with no function given to them is not an embryo its just a group cells replicating to a point were surten cells are given a funtion.
scientist only need the stemcells and will not create an embryo only a pack of stemcells before funtions are given to them. in the first weeks of pregnancy there is no embryo an embryo is a group of cells with funtion given to them there are body parts and other function forming thats a embryo but before that stage is there we only have stemcells and only that is taken and that before any funtion is given.

so I hoped that bush would stop to mention a creator until proof is there that there is such a thing until then it is just a theory.

religion is just a theory to explain life , just as evolution is a theory.

I didn't hear anything on the new space program and the future for that as a base for creating jobs and lifting national spirit and well being for all humankind. was hoping for it but false hope.

anybody knows if there will be a speech on that soon ? we need some update from the president on that maybe he can be there when they give the public the CEV design and building plans.

im mad when he said we should not clone because "every life is given by the creator" ... or whatever he said.
if he believes in God so much then why do we breathe?

whether the abilty to manipulate science in order to help or destroy us is God given or not--- should certainly be used to help us.

he never said in his speech--- "only God will judge who is evil or not, and will protect me from evil."
well Mr. President, who was in Air Force One escorted by fighter jets on 9/11.
lets save lives.
i live with asthma, anxiety, and a not so mild(but not so severe) case of drug induced schizophrenia.
lets fix our faults thru whatever it takes, cloning, stem cells, or whatever.
i've proved you wrong before and i will do it again.

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Originally posted by QuietSoul
Most of the speech was bold, but very cut and paste.

He took bits from all of his recent speeches that drew applause, and just put them all together into a big speech.

Sort of like "Bush's Greatest Hits"..

Exactly what I was noticing. I recorded the stupid thing, just to have some laughs at his "screw-ups". But it was boring, because it was so obviously so very corriographed(sp?) and well rehearsed - definately a "made-for-TV" production, that I'm sure that his speech writers, all the teleprompters all his aides probably watching him like a hawk, didn't leave much room for him to say anything that came from his own head.

But I didn't get how even he who as far as I'm concerned is not known much for being truthful, could stand up there, look the camera right in the eye and say that "The State of the Union is Strong, Very Strong"! Who does he think he's fooling!

And he carried on a bit about "Our Creator" and how he had made the lives of each and every one of us precious, etc...... when he knows that he is the one (or whoever might pull his strings) that for no good reason, STARTED the war against Iraq. Didn't he think that war just might result in costing more than a few precious lives? In vein?

Anyway, not really much more to say, because as Quiet Soul mentioned, it really was nothing more than a "cut & paste" of parts of his other State of the Union Addresses. Plus a bunch of empty rah, rah applause lines, that must have gotten old quickly for those who had to constantly stand up and clap.

Oh, and whether any of you support or are against Cindy Sheehan, she is still a human being who was invited by a congressperson to the speech. I think that arresting her (granted, she shouldn't have worn an anti-war shirt), however, a person expressing free speech whether it is agreed with or not, as far as I know is not grounds for arrest.

I don't think anyone else would appreciated being arrested for doing nothing illegal. Banned from the building, perhaps, but not arrested.

One more thing. That Democratic governor from Virginia who was supposed to be doing a "rebuttal" - I didn't notice much difference from what he said than what Bush said, with the one addition of "There is a better way". But then he never told us what that better way was.

O.K. my 8 cents.

And, "God Bless America"

Originally posted by QuietSoul
.....Sort of like "Bush's Greatest Hits"..

That's rich! Thumbs up on that one! I can't stop laughing.......

Note, I’m an Atheist but lets not all jump on the cloning bandwagon just yet. I’m for stem cell research but cloning human beings is another story. There are consequences and implications which we have not considered and are not ready for, yet.

A 22% increase in funding for clean burning coal plants, solar and wind, and nuclear power. I assume this might mean research into the use of superconductors and as well fusion power on the first and last comments he made.

But according to Bush who said there was $10 billion spent on alternative energy funding by the fed since 2000, means roughly $1.60 billion per year is spent by the fed towards alt enrg. An increase in that would mean roughly $1.93 billion per year...it is passed. Is this any more significant? Where is the extra money going to go? Is it going to go to a university like Princeton or is it going to go to a new committe to investigate the need for more funding of alternative energy research? Why would he limit the research to only a few areas?

Research presented in Phyics Today claims that the US federal government spends more per annum on tort litigation than it does on science and research. What is a tort? (I know what it is roughly, I used the comment to exagerate my point).
I still think the current funding of colleges and universities sucks, the condition of a majority of public (grade and high) schools sucks, and I think his stance on emryonic stem cell research sucks.

Quotes of the Speech: "Two in particular: myself and President Clinton." - Hey, he is doing stand up.
"9/11 conspiracy.' - What exactly does he think is the conspiracy?...Oh, I know, he thinks that there were bombs in the...no, maybe that the planes were controlled by NOR...maybe he is one ATS right now.

One thing I found troubling was the apparent division amongst the democrats. Every time the republicans stood they ALL stood. There were several times were only part of the democrats stood which made it seem like they were divided over which ever issue it was they were applauding. How can they expect to beat out the republicans when they cant stand together. Im not exactly for the republicans but you have to admit their programming appears very uniform. All in all though about the only thing I heard that sounded half way encouraging was his speal about alternative energy. Man we can only hope there. [my 2 cents]

I heard the entire speech and was truly impressed by the speech and what they hope to accomplish.
If this will truly happen is another matter but the fact that there is a vision to do great things is what I found encouraging.
Although in some places there was not a definitive commitments especially in Illegal Immigration and national economics.
What I thought was the highlight was the fact that the Administration has decided to do something about the oil situation and have made steps to end Americas dependence on oil to some extent. The focus on science, math and other areas were also encouraging but for the reservations on the more revolutionary technologies of cloning and stem cell research.

Other than this I thought it was pretty good and seemed to convey some optimism about the future. Also the fact that there has not been any slack on the WOT by the President despite the increasing difficulties he is faced with admirable in my opinion.


IAF

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