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reply posted on 31-1-2006 @ 04:47 PM by Umbrax
I did a quick google search and found this.

nefertiti.iwebland.com...

With the Nile cutting through various rock formations, Egyptian quarries are often close to the river. Metal and precious stones on the other hand were found mostly in the desert, where living conditions were difficult.
Work in the mines was therefore often seasonal. Harurre, treasurer of the god and master of the double cabinet arrived at Maghara in the summer, in his words not the season for going to this Mine-land
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Gold was one of the first metals to be exploited. The gold of the mountains, as the scribes of Ramses III called it, was found mainly in the Eastern Desert and Nubia. The Koptos gold for instance was mined in the Bekhen mountains. Seti gave these mines to a small temple he had built and dedicated to Amen, Re, Osiris and a number of other gods. The workers mining the gold, the "flesh of the gods", for the temple were exempt from any other work.


I hope that helps.



reply posted on 25-2-2006 @ 03:32 PM by dr_strangecraft
Two recurring geographic areas mentioned as gold producing in the bible are Havilah and Ophir.

Here is what Genesis 2 says in describing the lands Around the Garden of Eden. (gulf of Aden???)



10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.



Here's I Kings 9:28, telling about King Solomon's mines:


28And they came to Ophir, and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon.


Here's another one:



Isaiah 13:12
I will make man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.



Basically, in that last verse, God is threatening to eradicate humans until they are rarer than the gold of ophir.

The big deal about ophir is that is was supposed to be a vein (wedge?) of 100% pure gold, that required no smelting or hot-working to be processed. If true, then it was the only place on earth to have pure gold in a natural state.

Ophir is supposed to be in the "empty quarter" of Sa'udi Arabia. Solomon would have sent ships from the Negev around Yemen and to Oman, from whence they'd go into the desert.

I think the Qur'an mentions the Lost City of Irem as being a way-station on the route to king solomon's mine. The city of Ubar (which some claim is Irem) was allegedly located in the late 80's by NASA, doing satelite imaging of the sands of arabia, helping that govt find oil. It has been excavated since then.

Think of it this way. The first humans got all the best gold. We who come later have to look harder and work harder to get their tailings.

Either that or you'd have to believe in alchemy.




reply posted on 26-2-2006 @ 03:08 PM by dr_strangecraft
Originally posted by siriuslyone

When the Jews made the golden calf, were they carrying or wearing enough gold to make an object that large?



Well, the Egyptian people (not Pharaoh and his nobles) were so happy to be free of the accursed hebrews that they gave them gold and silver to get them out of the land, seeing as how their presence in egypt had brought plagues of blood, frogs, gnats flies, lice, hail, boils, death of livestock, darkness, and the death of the first born.

So yeah, among a large enough group, there'd be enough gold to make a calf.


Now. If you would like to be really pestered by the Biblical text, try this one on for size. It's not the golden calf that is so problematic, it is what Moses did with it after punishing the survivors who had worshipped it:



Exodus 32:20

Then he [Moses, ed.] took the calf which they had made, burned it in the fire, and ground it to powder; and he scattered it on the water and made the children of Israel drink it.



So, look at what Moses did:

1. Burned it in fire. Gold, as a heavy metal, is not combustable in anything but a modern blast furnace. It melts at temperatures obtainable with bellows in a buried smelter that Egyptian-era technology would have known. But it doesn't actually combust until several thousand degrees. Not what you can produce with a campfire.

2. Ground it to powder. Gold is one of the most malleable metals, and doesn't fracture like iron or chrome does. It can be beaten out into sheets as thin as 10 molecules, like the film on the windows of the space shuttle, that filter out radiation. But because of its super-malleability, the one thing you cannot do is grind it to a powder. Only the iron pyrites (fools gold) can be treated this way, and so this has been about the oldest test for true gold - malleability, and lack of "pulverisability."

3. Scattered it "on the face of" the water. That is the literal rendering of the Hebrew here. On the surface of. But of course, gold doesn't float, since its specific gravity is about 19 times that of water. Gold sinks. Unless it's moses that's doing the scattering, apparently.

So, how do you explain this?

Scribal ignorance? Hardly. The scribes were the moneyed class of Israel, and were the most likely handlers of gold in that society. More than anyone besides goldsmiths, the king's courtiers and clerks would have known the qualities of gold, since they were in charge of the king's coffers. And First Chronicles says that these are the dudes that started writing down the Bible for solomon.

Maybe the "golden" calf was actually a wooden idol, covered with gold leaf? That would make sense; but then why not say so, when a whole chapter is given to describing how the later ark of the covenant, a wooden object, was carefully sheathed in gold, and how the plates were joined together. In the account at Sinai, Aaron tells the people to give him earrings, not gopher wood. And he describes a process of forging, and not overlay: "I threw their ear and nose-rings in the fire, and out popped this calf!"

Somewhere, there's some 'splainin' to do.

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