No Weapons of Mass Destruction!!!!

Well actually that was a joke. But now that you mention it, how 'bout them Anti-Airs or rockets? I know they found some sorta gun somewhere... but think of it this way, Saddam won't try that again!

My opinion is that they did not find anything of substance because there was nothing really to find. I have to think that IF something will be revealed it will be done when it will benefit the election the most.
Although, I am afraid that the American attention span is far too short for this to have any more effect than the other atrocities committed by the present administration. While it appalls me, I see his approval-rating going back up in the months ahead because he dashed into a burning building and saved the lives of 100 nuns or something equally absurd.
Political spin is such a destructive weapon.

Peace,
BG

Amazing stuff one can find....
Found this:

"STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)
BEFORE THE
HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE,
THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEFENSE, AND THE
SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

October 2, 2003

Link:
www.cia.gov...

also

www.andrewsullivan.com...

His actual statements are much more to the point than what the press is reporting. Kay mentions:

"Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict."

"Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them."

"Additional information is beginning to corroborate reporting since 1996 about human testing activities using chemical and biological substances, but progress in this area is slow given the concern of knowledgeable Iraqi personnel about their being prosecuted for crimes against humanity."

"ISG teams are uncovering significant information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms, the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities, and deliberate concealment activities."

Also, the involvement of Iraqi intelligence in the Bio-Weapons program specifically is suggestive of the point that Iraq's biological weapons program was intended for terrorist, rather than military, purposes.

Kay also stated that the Iraq Survey Group had discovered:

"Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons."

"New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN."

Also:
"Kay revealed a scientist has come forward with a report of the WMD being shipped out of Iraq into Syria......Iran.....and Jordan before the war started."

Best I can say here is that sure it did!
"Therefore, any war against terrorism must target Hezbollah. We believe the administration should demand that Iran and Syria immediately cease all military, financial, and political support for Hezbollah and its operations. Should Iran and Syria refuse to comply, the administration should consider appropriate measures of retaliation against these known state sponsors of terrorism.--PNAC letter to President Bush 9/20/01
Link:
www.newamericancentury.org...

Geez, those WMD sure do move around alot, don't they? Interestingly, it coincides with where ever the PNAC thinks this nation of states should be involved next. Be assurd they (WMD) won't be found in Saudi Arabia, I mean *cough, cough*...they are an "ally."

You have the UN, who not once, but 14 times claimed he had WMDs.

"Sending a Serious Message to Syria"
Link:
www.insightmag.com...

"Not-So-Secret Iraqi-Syrian Deals"
Link:
www.insightmag.com...

As reported by 'Drudge':
"Report: U.S suspects Iraqi WMD in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley"
Drudge via World Tribune ^ | Monday, August 25, 2003
Posted on 08/25/2003 3:12 PM EDT by RoughDobermann

"U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.

Unfortunately, getting to them will be nearly impossible for the United States and its allies, because the containers with the strategic materials are not in Iraq.

Instead they are located in Lebanon's heavily-fortified Bekaa Valley, swarming with Iranian and Syrian forces, and Hizbullah and ex-Iraqi agents, Geostrategy-Direct.com will report in tomorrow's new weekly edition.

U.S. intelligence first identified a stream of tractor-trailer trucks moving from Iraq to Syria to Lebaon in January 2003. The significance of this sighting did not register on the CIA at the time.

U.S. intelligence sources believe the area contains extended-range Scud-based missiles and parts for chemical and biological warheads.

Mutually-lucrative Iraqi-Syrian arms transactions are nothing new. Firas Tlas, son of Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlas, has been the key to Syria's rogue alliance with Iraq. He and Assad made hundreds of millions of dollars selling weapons, oil and drugs to and from Iraq, according to the May 13, 2003 edition of Geostrategy-Direct.com.

The CIA now believes a multi-million dollar deal between Iraq and Syria provided for the hiding and safekeeping of Saddam's strategic weapons.

Not surprisingly, U.S. inquiries in Beirut and Syria are being met with little substantive response, U.S. officials said."

Interesting image I found also:




regards
seekerof


[Edited on 4-10-2003 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Masked,

Bush is not doomed. Not by the WMD issue anyway. You put too much confidence that Americans actualy CARE about this.

More and more Polls are showing Americans are increasingly concerned about the economy.65% polled said the economy was thier major concern, only 14% said terrorism. That tells you something.

All these jobless Americans, without the war to distract them...now are realizing they have no jobs, are making less money, ect. If the economy doesnt swing upward and people start getting jobs, start making money to survive, then trhat might bury Bush.

But the WMD issue: No one really cares. Hell, most Americans didnt even really care about it in the first place. In thier eyes, they were pissed because the last gulf war we didnt go and kill Saddam. This time around, they were happy that we went in to go get him this time. Thats the main reason for the support: getting rid of Saddam, cuz most of the public was pissed that we let him live in the first gulf war.

And just because they stopped searching for the WMD, doesnt mean they wont plant them.

Totally agree with this synopsis- except with the conspiracy theory that is.

The plain, hard, cold, unmovable, factual, blatant, unarguable truth is that the coalition went to war because Saddam broke over a dozen UN Resolutions. AT NO TIME were WoMD purported to be the only reason for the war by either US or UK governments.
THe WoMD issue was just taken by a hysterical media and thrown to a gullible population.

No WoMD?
Who gives a #?

The war was never about WoMD. And if you thought otherwise you can count yourselves as one of those gullible fools. It's amazing how people seem to be personally offended by Bush govt "lies" now no weapons have been found. Well, the rest of us are offended by your ignorance in swallowing a media line that anyone else could see was bull# from a mile away.

But that's not to say that there never were any WoMD. Saddam used them so it's undeniable that he had them.
Why doesn't anyone ever point a finger at the UN for the invasion?

Hans Blix purposely spread confusion about the issue of WoMD and if it hadn't been for the publicity that he gave the cause with his "they've got them but they're blocking our efforts to find them" strategy the coalition would never have got the public support that it needed from it's own population. It seems that a lot of people here forget Bix and his television appearances. One minute we were told one thing by him and the other, something totally different. But everyone looks at the UN as a poor, innocent party caught in the crossfire. They seem to forget that it is an organisation that contains some of the most highly skilled diplomats in the world. Yet here, it is swallowed by many that they allowed themselves to get manouvred into a war and their organisation damaged?

Well, take a look at the UN now. There were those here who were screaming about how it had been fatally damaged yet it's position is getting stronger day by day. If things go on the way they are in Iraq at the moment, the US will have to turn to it for help. The Bush government is already starting to make sounds towards it that it wouldn't have done a month ago. Eventually the UN will be given a say. And even if it doesn't get full control in Iraq it has immeasurably strengthened it's hand for participation in any future conflict and it's political aftermath.

Yet nobody thinks this was planned?

"Vials: A total of 97 vials-including those with labels consistent with the al Hakam cover stories of single-cell protein and biopesticides, as well as strains that could be used to produce BW agents-were recovered from a scientist's residence."

"No Weapons of Mass Destruction!!!!" Huh?


regards
seekerof

Lets clarify the picture above.......
Link:
www.fairpress.org...

Excerpt:
"Members of the Bush administration recommend that we read the report.

To sum up: the ISG team found evidence of WMDs.

According to David Kay:

"Iraq's WMD programs spanned more than two decades, involved thousands of people, billions of dollars, and was elaborately shielded by security and deception operations that continued even beyond the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom."

This initial report, the unclassified version available thru the CIA website, proves that Saddam continued his efforts to acquire WMDs, and to pose a threat to his neighbors by attempting to purchase and build long range missiles.

Some of ISG's discoveries:

Saddam had a "well-advanced, but undeclared, on-going" missile delivery system program "that, if OIF had not intervened, would have resulted in the production of missiles with ranges at least up to 1000 km." Far greater than the 150 km permitted under the UN declaration agreed to by Saddam as a prerequisite for ending the Gulf War.

Regarding chemical and biological weapons: Saddam had "clandestine on-going research and development activities that were embedded in the Iraqi Intelligence Service." These activities would have allowed, "at the minimum" Saddam to get a chem/bio facility up and running with a trained crew.

Various foreign nations, yet unnamed, aided Saddam by providing advanced missile technology, machinery and design, right up to the beginning of the war. The ISG team has evidence that N. Korea was willing to sell Saddam long-range missiles with the potential to travel 1300 km.

As for Iraq's nuclear program, "Iraqi scientists and senior government officials...told ISG that Saddam..."remained firmly committed to acquiring nuclear weapons."

Bioweapons? An Iraqi scientist had over 90 vials of biological "reference strains" hidden in his home, undeclared to the UN.

Scientists admitted they worked 'overtly' on legitimate products while secretly working on forbidden: "Examples include: B. Thurengiensis (Bt) with B. anthracis (anthrax), and medicinal plants with ricin."

They also developed improved techniques for making and "spray drying" 'simulant Bt' that could be used directly for anthrax.

Chemical weapons? According to David Kay, "Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs (Ammuniton Storage Points) that held conventional rounds."

To find these weapons, ISG has to hunt through 130 known Iraqi ASPs, "many which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance." They are so vast, the hard working ISG team has only had time to examine 10 ASPs out of the 130."

More:

www.odci.gov...

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by ilovepizza
WMD link

WASHINGTON (AP) - Chief U.S. weapons searcher David Kay reported Thursday he had found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a finding that brought fresh congressional complaints about the Bush administration's prewar assertions of an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein.

The lie bush told might come back and bite him in the ass.

Do you have any idea how long I've been looking for the remote to the stereo? Longer than they've been looking for chemical/biological weapons and material in Iraq.

The Iraqis used them, we all know that. A fact. I used my remote before. That is also a fact, I even looked back at the owner papers of the stereo to verify it actually came with a remote and I didn't dream it all up.

There is a possibility that the remote was thrown out with the trash, had it fallen in a trash can. If so, it is no longer on the premesis. There is the possibility that the weapons and material has been removed from the country to a neighboring country, or buried during the numerous months before the attack, or even dropped in the river, who knows? But just as with my remote, there is no doubt they existed. There is also no doubt that Hussein never complied with any sanctions, nor did he ever make anything easy for any inspector. They were always good at playing shell games, remember all that, or do you have selective memory loss?

Even if the weapons are not found, the numerous violations of the agreements that ended the first war is enough to reinitiate hostilities, and had we a genuine leader in the past, it might have already been taken care of.

Let's not forget that there are other reasons for that chapter in the war on terror.

Thomas,

Have you checked under the couch cusions? Unlike Iraq, it is unlikely that someone carefully hid your remote. In Iraq, it is most likely that someone went to great lengths to hide the evidence of WMDs.

In your house you have a certain search area. The average house is around 2000 sq. ft. So we will say that your house is 10000 sq. ft. (You are not average)

In Iraq there are 1000 people searching 171,599 square miles. That's 171.6 sq. mi per person. Roughly the size of 13 Manhattan Islands per person. Thats roughly 500,000 times the size of your really big house.

My guess is that in the last years, the secret was closely held. It is likely that people moving and stashing WMDs had no idea what they were. If we have identified scientists who were killed to keep this secret, how many were killed that we no nothing about.

Finding the WMDs or what happened to the WMDs is going to be a little bit harder than finding a gas station in Oakland.

Good luck finding that remote!

Chemical weapons ARE WMDS and YES he had because WE gave them to him...DUH.

www.thepoliticalinsider.com...