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Originally posted by sinta_ilfirinOne question I do have for people who do believe is: where do all the souls come from, when do you know if you are re-incarnated or a new soul? Being that there are billions of people in the world now and the world started with much fewer than that.... I've always wondered what the explanation is to that.....
One question I do have for people who do believe is: where do all the souls come from, when do you know if you are re-incarnated or a new soul? Being that there are billions of people in the world now and the world started with much fewer than that.... I've always wondered what the explanation is to that.....
Originally posted by Alien DNA
How many of you believe in reincarnation? well I was thinking about it today and decided it is not possible, heres the reason why.
Think about the people that have had there bodies frozen after death, well lets say in a few years they have the medical technology to bring them back to life, well if after death they reincarnated into somebody else what would happen if the scientists bring there old body back to life?
I do believe in reincarnation..
this earthly vehicle is not necessary for us, 'us', for what we are, to exist.
It's is just, or just might be a crystalisation of 'us' in this crystalized 'third' dimension. A body is made before the host arrives. This might be what I believe in. The mother keeps the foetus alive. The host comes in, takes place, and when the cord is cut from the mother to the child, the child starts to live on itself. Completely on its own. Somehow how I look at it now. To me reincarnation exists. I might say denying this is an ignorant act. Or just a act on not knowing. Still a question might be, when is the host chosen? What spirit it might be? Who deicides? Who let's through the gate? Or better, what?
Do spirits have emotions? I mean feelings? Or do we only have feelings when in a body, and the body only has these feelings? Is the spirit only a fuel to make a body live. And live its emotions and feelings?
When only the body has emotions and feelings, or does the spirit copy its emotion and feeling to the body, as to the body growing in it, being its spirit, then it is not equal what spirit hosts it, but when frozen? Isn't the body functioning then like very very slow? I mean, all atoms stabalized? The body completely stopped but the spirit still hosting, like the spirit being there, but unable to heaten the body to its temperature, the fuel inside, but outside environment forcing more cold on the body then the spirit can give, or wants to give, heat. So the spirit still hosting the body, when the environment allows the spirit to heat the body up, the body becoming loose again, and able to move.
I might think that a frozen one really can be awakened again.
But I mean, frozen after death, needs another incarnation to make that body alive again. Summoning a spirit and letting it take place in the body again, this not being the same spirit for, why has this spirit left its body?
Raising a dead one by another spirit is pure demonical. Spiritual, magical? Call it what you will. Might depend on what kind of spirit takes place for it being demonical or magical or whatever..
never mind, I mean, first dead, and then frozen, needs another incarnation, frozen untill 'death', but let us say, untill a coma-state, might be that freezing is just an alternative to a 'coma'? Spirit not able to use the body, but locked in it, this body not dead, for it is completely blocked to move, because of stabalized atoms then when frozen, hmm.. far fetched? And then awakening the body by letting it get its own temperature again, .....
Might be possible
reincarnation exists, or at least, incarnation! They only have to take one back which has been here before, and a re-incarnation took place.
I don't find your argument quite convincing, alienDNA, but mine might be the same..
[edit on 31-1-2006 by alienaddicted]
Originally posted by Yarcofin
sinta_ilfirin, (by the way, I like your avatar. Yay for Tolkien.)
Here is my best guesstimate...
All souls come from a single source, The Creator, if you will. Not necessarily a God, maybe it is just the universe as a whole. The Universe at one time was a single "soul". But being everything there is, you cannot necessarily experience things, so it divided itself up into many pieces, being everything and super-powerful. So it made itself into light and dark, large and small, mass and emptiness, etc. You see, although you may be everything there is in the entire universe, you can't know things unless you experience it. So it split itself up into separate souls, which are you and I. Thus even if we kill each other, there is a purpose behind it, and we are all on the same side. The person getting murdered is as much a part of it as the person murdering. They are all part of the same being, and each of them agreed to it before they were even born. Someone has to "play" good and evil, skeptic and believer, for it to work properly though. That is why you get your memory 'erased' every time you begin a new life.
There are also many different versions/schools of thought on reincarnation. You may get to conciously choose which life you will choose next, or you may just spontaniously go to the next life at the moment of death.
In the first example, you recall all of your previous lives and information about yourself each time you die again. You can choose whether you want to live again or not. You can choose to live again, just kinda hang around in the afterlife, or return to "The Source" again until you get bored and decide to separate back out again.
In the second example, there is a set process and ways that things happen. Typically in most believe systems, the sequence goes: Mineral, Plant, Animal, Human, (and then higher up beings). On top of this, there is also a cycle of evolution and devolution of souls. You keep going up the chain, and if you reach the top and you haven't become "enlightened" after a certain number of lifetimes, you start going back down again and start over. In Buddhism this is known as the Wheel of Samsara.
So there aren't really any "new" or "old" souls. In the grand scheme of things, they are all really part of the same thing! . Sort of like a worm cutting itself into five pieces and becoming five worms, except it is in control and able to put itself back together at any time it wants, and it is conciously aware and in control of all of it's pieces.
Hopefully that helps a little. If not, keep asking questions and I'll keep spewing stuff out =).
Disclaimer: I do not necessarily believe in reincarnation as 100% fact, and I don't consider myself an expert on the topic. Views discussed are speculative at best, although based on several years of research into spirituality and religions.
[edit on 31-1-2006 by Yarcofin]